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AfD Now the #1 Favored Party in Eastern Germany- Significance?

How significant is the fact that AfD is now the #1 political party in eastern Germany?

  • Less than significant considering it's eastern Germany

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Gee, when have we seen such a phenomenon with Germany in world history? I can think of two times, each correlating with a world war. This is why trump's mission to isolate the U.S. from the rest of the world and withdraw from NATO is such an idiotic idea.

The SPD voted Germany into WW1.

By 1912, the party (SPD) claimed the most votes of any German party.

Despite the agreement of the Second International to oppose the First World War, the SPD voted in favor of war in 1914.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Party_of_Germany

As we know, there wouldn't have been a Nazi party in Germany without WW1 and its ensuing ramifications for Germany. Thank the SPD for both World Wars, and Adolph Hitler.
 
The SPD voted Germany into WW1.



As we know, there wouldn't have been a Nazi party in Germany without WW1 and its ensuing ramifications for Germany. Thank the SPD for both World Wars, and Adolph Hitler.

What are you saying? That the afD is any different than any other German, right-wing, nationalist, scapegoating, isolationist party has been over the past couple-hundred years? This is why we still need NATO and US troops in Germany.
 
Even if AFD win the next elections and get 100 % of all places in Bundestag it has not real power and all elected AFD - members get immediately killed, thereafter Merkel imposes Martial law
Merkel leftist gang owns presstitutes, private army ANTIFA, 5m or more male orientalist 'refugees' who can immediately start to fight for it.
It is well-known that the entirely ISIS is already in Germany disguised as 'refugees' and waiting for signal.
There are millions of poor-integrated and depending of welfare Muslim immigrants and Lefts who will fight for Merkel

Germany is finished, no AFD can help it
 
Or because a lot of them are essentially neo-nazis or racists .

DNC is much more neo-nazi as AFD.
In Merkel's Germany any non-communist is a 'racist' and 'nazi'
 
What are you saying? That the afD is any different than any other German, right-wing, nationalist, scapegoating, isolationist party has been over the past couple-hundred years? This is why we still need NATO and US troops in Germany.

Well yes, AfD are technically different than say the Nazis were. AfD tries to court German Jews into joining the party, a stark contrast to the Nazis who publicly proposed stripping Jews of German citizenship prior to the election of 1933.
 
Well yes, AfD are technically different than say the Nazis were. AfD tries to court German Jews into joining the party, a stark contrast to the Nazis who publicly proposed stripping Jews of German citizenship prior to the election of 1933.

No it's not Jewish folks in the German's cross-hairs. Now it's any immigrant. I guess that makes it all better.
 
Liberal democracies are increasingly illiberal and offer no prospect of change. Brexit is exhibit A for this - if it doesn't happen it will signify to all that change is not possible through the ballot box.

The AfD has made the break through into the electoral system which was designed to prevent ent far right parties gaining a voice in parliament. So the next step will be to ramp up so called 'hate speech' laws (which really are the suppression of free speech) in an attempt to prevent the AfD being able to challenge the status quo. The EU is also working on 'media regulation'.

Let's see where we go with denying Brexit and with the restrictions on free speech. The logical message this ultimately sends is that democratic change is a sham - and I think we know what evolves from enough people thinking that.
 
Liberal democracies are increasingly illiberal and offer no prospect of change. Brexit is exhibit A for this - if it doesn't happen it will signify to all that change is not possible through the ballot box.

The AfD has made the break through into the electoral system which was designed to prevent ent far right parties gaining a voice in parliament. So the next step will be to ramp up so called 'hate speech' laws (which really are the suppression of free speech) in an attempt to prevent the AfD being able to challenge the status quo. The EU is also working on 'media regulation'.

Let's see where we go with denying Brexit and with the restrictions on free speech. The logical message this ultimately sends is that democratic change is a sham - and I think we know what evolves from enough people thinking that.
Probably not the daftest post of the day, but not bad either.

Were you worthy of debate, I'd even challenge you to show where the German electoral system was designed to prevent parties like the AfD gaining entry into parliament. I'd even enlarge the challenge for you to show everyone here where Germany is ramping up totally sufficient hate speech laws.

But given your continuously displayed ignorance on matters of the EU in general and its individual member states in particular, I won't waste my time so as to not having you waste ours.

Finally, so as not to leave the field of whataboutism completely to you, if you want to address issues of speech suppression, look to your beloved Kremlin-run Russia.

That should give you enough to do and might possibly save many of us your hypocritical posts.
 
No it's not Jewish folks in the German's cross-hairs. Now it's any immigrant. I guess that makes it all better.
the poster you're responding to is very much mistaken.

AfD's attempt to make itself spokesperson for Jews failed utterly. It was a pathetic PR-coup, heavily condemned by all Jewish institutions of Germany.

In its basic core AfD comprises holocaust deniers, those who condemn kosher slaughter and those advocating a revival of the Wehrmacht.

Anti-Semitism in Germany is nothing new, it's never gone away. As such AfD is merely exploiting it for own nefarious purposes, i.e. not wishing to go without the vote of the old and new Nazis.
 
Well yes, AfD are technically different than say the Nazis were. ...

the poster you're responding to is very much mistaken.

AfD's attempt to make itself spokesperson for Jews failed utterly. It was a pathetic PR-coup, heavily condemned by all Jewish institutions of Germany.

In its basic core AfD comprises holocaust deniers, those who condemn kosher slaughter and those advocating a revival of the Wehrmacht.

Anti-Semitism in Germany is nothing new, it's never gone away. As such AfD is merely exploiting it for own nefarious purposes, i.e. not wishing to go without the vote of the old and new Nazis.

Well, there you go. Horrible history repeating itself. And trump still thinks its an awesome idea to pull our troops from Germany and our support of NATO. What could go wrong?

Trump really is a moron and Putin's "useful idiot"!
 
Well, there you go. Horrible history repeating itself. And trump still thinks its an awesome idea to pull our troops from Germany and our support of NATO. What could go wrong?

Trump really is a moron and Putin's "useful idiot"!


What?

Are US troops in Germany a potentially useful occupation force? Something to help suppress the German people should they go all rogue and not elect sufficient numbers of NWO liberal-nazis?
 
What?

Are US troops in Germany a potentially useful occupation force? Something to help suppress the German people should they go all rogue and not elect sufficient numbers of NWO liberal-nazis?

Dude, this is reality. Germany has proven twice it can't be trusted not to be assholes when left unsupervised. This is international security we're talking about. Deal with it.
 
Dude, this is reality. Germany has proven twice it can't be trusted not to be assholes when left unsupervised. This is international security we're talking about. Deal with it.


It's not my problem man.


We all know that the US spies on its so called 'alliance partners' (a euphemism for pathetic vassal states to the US Empire).


I'll sit back and enjoy watching the US occupy its partners should they elect a government Washington disapproves of. :lamo:lamo
 
What?

Are US troops in Germany a potentially useful occupation force? Something to help suppress the German people should they go all rogue and not elect sufficient numbers of NWO liberal-nazis?

It's not my problem man.


We all know that the US spies on its so called 'alliance partners' (a euphemism for pathetic vassal states to the US Empire).


I'll sit back and enjoy watching the US occupy its partners should they elect a government Washington disapproves of. :lamo:lamo
I'd think that living in cloud-cuckoo land is bad enough of itself. No idea why you would also go bragging about it. :lol::lol:
 
Well, there you go. Horrible history repeating itself. And trump still thinks its an awesome idea to pull our troops from Germany and our support of NATO. What could go wrong?

Trump really is a moron and Putin's "useful idiot"!
No worries, AfD isn't going to be forming any government. And US troops are not in Germany for such reason anyway.
 
It's not my problem man.


We all know that the US spies on its so called 'alliance partners' (a euphemism for pathetic vassal states to the US Empire).


I'll sit back and enjoy watching the US occupy its partners should they elect a government Washington disapproves of. :lamo:lamo

Well, you can also sit back and enjoy the decades of peace and prosperity we've brought to the Western world. We'd prefer you'd just say thank you and move on.
 
No worries, AfD isn't going to be forming any government. And US troops are not in Germany for such reason anyway.

For such reason? Please elaborate.
 
Well, you can also sit back and enjoy the decades of peace and prosperity we've brought to the Western world. We'd prefer you'd just say thank you and move on.
He's Russian and, what's more, a Kremlin fanboy.

He doesn't appreciate a prosperous West, let alone a prosperous and peaceful Europe. On the contrary ever since he joined, his agenda has been to promote disruption in Europe so that Putin and his thugs may pursue their policies with less interference.

Doing it all in the dishonest and distorting posting manner of the Olgino trolls.
 
For such reason? Please elaborate.
US troops are not in Germany to prevent extremists (left or right) from gaining power, they're in Germany as part of NATO.

Since German re-unification, Germany's (til then still official) occupation status has been nixed anyway, so US troops are there in the interest of all NATO members and at German invitation.
 
No it's not Jewish folks in the German's cross-hairs.

Which means the comparisons between AfD and the Nazi party are just exaggerations. Kind of like when people say the Democratic party is akin to the Communist party of the USSR.


Now it's any immigrant. I guess that makes it all better.

Wrong again. I've never heard the AfD voice disapproval of the 2 million Asians living in Germany, most of which trace their roots to immigration of the past 30 years. The AfD is primarily concerned with limiting migration from parts of the world whose cultures sharply contradict German societal norms and laws.
 
If one is clueless on the nature of the AfD, one is best advised not to comment on it at all.

Saves making oneself look foolish.
 
I always thought they were favored in east germany, given that east germany had a population exodus after the berlin wall, wih mostly the younger population moving west for the jobs while the older generations are clinging to east germany and still wish to rejoin the soviet union and re introduce soviet style socialism.

Granted germany has done much to keep east germany going with moves like keeping and modernizing soviet factories to keep the east german economy going, however east germany still has plenty of it's population stuck in a soviet mindset, and probably will for a while as an entire economic and political system is hard to just abandon no matter how bad it was. The afd simply appeals to this demographic, those who oppose immigration, those who want more authoritarian govt etc.
 
I always thought they were favored in east germany, given that east germany had a population exodus after the berlin wall, wih mostly the younger population moving west for the jobs while the older generations are clinging to east germany and still wish to rejoin the soviet union and re introduce soviet style socialism.
I was working (and of course living) in Germany at the time the Wall fell and before that too, much of my work taking me to the East, pre- and post reunification.

I can assure you that only a fairly small crowd longed for Soviet times (or socialism of whatever origin), most were glad to be rid of it all.

In addition one has to realize that the AfD didn't even come into being (even in its initial non-xenophobic, liberal right version) until 24 years after the Wall fell, by which time the (ex) GDR's older generation was largely retired (in pension) and the youngsters (in their twenties and thirties) had practically not even experienced the Soviet-backed GDR regime.

With things being grossly more complex (which issues aren't?), some of the rub lies in...................
Granted germany has done much to keep east germany going with moves like keeping and modernizing soviet factories to keep the east german economy going,
..............overall Germany (West) shut down more than it modernized, simply because GDR production was uncompetitive and, where it was not, such existing capacities would have added to a world market that already suffered vast over-capacities at that time. The lack of competitiveness was of course due to the East suddenly having to calculate in a hard currency (DM) and being henceforth bereft of subsidies that plan-based economy had offered in the past.

To cut a long story short, even taking into account its subsidised economy, the GDR did not cease due to having succumbed to any (Western) political ideology, it was simply stone broke already by the time its regime toppled and wouldn't have lasted another year. Most (former) East Germans are today aware of that but some still cling to fairy tales

however east germany still has plenty of it's population stuck in a soviet mindset,
no, see above.
and probably will for a while as an entire economic and political system is hard to just abandon no matter how bad it was.
again, look at previous reference to age groups, particularly to the 30 and 40 year olds (and younger) of today who never knew that system.
The afd simply appeals to this demographic, those who oppose immigration, those who want more authoritarian govt etc
the irony in this assessment lies in that authoritarianism is precisely what Merkel, her predecessors and the whole darn West is accused of by the perpetually discontented. Which, incidentally, are far from being representative of all that reside in the Eastern part of Germany. The AfD being nowhere near representing even a quarter of the overall "East German" votes.

You raise a valid point over younger people moving to the jobs in the West. They did so simply because the East could not supply them with work. There are areas in the East almost de-populated with only the elderly hanging on (more and sometimes less enjoying their retirement), despite all the money that was pumped into the East. But the results of such investment can be seen mostly in the cities, the barren land now even has some wolves living on it (extinct in Germany since the late 1800s).

It's a result of the planning economy having slapped industrial plants into the middle of rural communities, so as to provide work for the local yokels. Miles from any water way or any coast (transport access) and miles from any sensible source of raw materials. No wonder they were shut down, under "real" market conditions, they were economic monstrosities.

Joke I heard doing the rounds in the GDR: "the workers' collective of production of electronic devices proudly announces having just built the biggest (heart) pacemaker in the world. Brezhnev isn't truly fat, he's simply just had one implanted"
 
I was working (and of course living) in Germany at the time the Wall fell and before that too, much of my work taking me to the East, pre- and post reunification.

I can assure you that only a fairly small crowd longed for Soviet times (or socialism of whatever origin), most were glad to be rid of it all.

In addition one has to realize that the AfD didn't even come into being (even in its initial non-xenophobic, liberal right version) until 24 years after the Wall fell, by which time the (ex) GDR's older generation was largely retired (in pension) and the youngsters (in their twenties and thirties) had practically not even experienced the Soviet-backed GDR regime.

With things being grossly more complex (which issues aren't?), some of the rub lies in................... ..............overall Germany (West) shut down more than it modernized, simply because GDR production was uncompetitive and, where it was not, such existing capacities would have added to a world market that already suffered vast over-capacities at that time. The lack of competitiveness was of course due to the East suddenly having to calculate in a hard currency (DM) and being henceforth bereft of subsidies that plan-based economy had offered in the past.

To cut a long story short, even taking into account its subsidised economy, the GDR did not cease due to having succumbed to any (Western) political ideology, it was simply stone broke already by the time its regime toppled and wouldn't have lasted another year. Most (former) East Germans are today aware of that but some still cling to fairy tales

no, see above. again, look at previous reference to age groups, particularly to the 30 and 40 year olds (and younger) of today who never knew that system. the irony in this assessment lies in that authoritarianism is precisely what Merkel, her predecessors and the whole darn West is accused of by the perpetually discontented. Which, incidentally, are far from being representative of all that reside in the Eastern part of Germany. The AfD being nowhere near representing even a quarter of the overall "East German" votes.

You raise a valid point over younger people moving to the jobs in the West. They did so simply because the East could not supply them with work. There are areas in the East almost de-populated with only the elderly hanging on (more and sometimes less enjoying their retirement), despite all the money that was pumped into the East. But the results of such investment can be seen mostly in the cities, the barren land now even has some wolves living on it (extinct in Germany since the late 1800s).

It's a result of the planning economy having slapped industrial plants into the middle of rural communities, so as to provide work for the local yokels. Miles from any water way or any coast (transport access) and miles from any sensible source of raw materials. No wonder they were shut down, under "real" market conditions, they were economic monstrosities.

Joke I heard doing the rounds in the GDR: "the workers' collective of production of electronic devices proudly announces having just built the biggest (heart) pacemaker in the world. Brezhnev isn't truly fat, he's simply just had one implanted"

They actually have a term for the want of soviet germany, it is ostalie which basically means nostalgia. I know many polls have shown east germany is in favor of going back to the soviet ways, and you admittance of the youth flight explains it, old people are stubborn, and many parts of east germany are retired or people nearing retirement, who lived under that system. This is not just an east german thing but all over the former eastern bloc and soviet countries, the divide is those who grew up under the system want it back while those born outside the system or spent very little of their youth in it want capitalism.

Th reality of it is socialism/communism of the soviet style was so radically different from capitalism, that those already used to it could not transition well to capitalism, and even though they work jobs in capitalist systems, they long for the days of no work competition a guaranteed job and standing in line for 5 hours for a loaf of bread and a roll of toilet paper.
 
They actually have a term for the want of soviet germany, it is ostalie which basically means nostalgia. I know many polls have shown east germany is in favor of going back to the soviet ways, and you admittance of the youth flight explains it, old people are stubborn, and many parts of east germany are retired or people nearing retirement, who lived under that system. This is not just an east german thing but all over the former eastern bloc and soviet countries, the divide is those who grew up under the system want it back while those born outside the system or spent very little of their youth in it want capitalism.

Th reality of it is socialism/communism of the soviet style was so radically different from capitalism, that those already used to it could not transition well to capitalism, and even though they work jobs in capitalist systems, they long for the days of no work competition a guaranteed job and standing in line for 5 hours for a loaf of bread and a roll of toilet paper.
Ostalgie actually refers to going back "to the good old things" of the GDR, not to going back to the Soviets.

"Soviet" was always associated with Russians and Russians were never much liked in GDR.

But I agree that for some the times of no work competition and, more importantly, seemingly greater social safety now seem desirable in an attack of unwarranted nostalgia. That desire certainly does not include queuing up for 5 hours for meat or fruit (bread was never a problem). Their problem lies of course in the fact that such rose-tinted look backward could only occur due to the GDR merging almost seemingly into the FRG, a "privilege" other Eastern neighbors, lacking the "rich" Big Brother in the West, could not share into. In that manner the East Germans could experience the merits of a GDR social policy that was financed basically on ever increasing debt, but without experiencing the actual bankruptcy of GDR socialism that resulted out of this economic irresponsibility. IOW they fell comparatively softly in the net that West Brother had ready.

The afore-mentioned neighbors of the Eastern Bloc were not so blessed and had to pull themselves out of the mire by their own boot straps.

Amusing is the nostalgia for GDR made products in that most of them have retained their old brand names but are long since being produced in "the West". Because the Eastern producers were near broke and would have vanished without being bought up.

Of course this changes nothing in actual perception of some, since feeling usually trumps facts.

But I refer back to the fact that the Wall fell nearly 30 years ago. Those in pension today barely worked in the GDR system and those approaching pension age never even knew it.

"Eastalgia" arose in the early 90s and expresses itself today merely in its entertainment value.
 
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