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Leaked docs show Assange bid for Russian visa

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Leaked docs show Assange bid for Russian visa

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Julian Assange

9/17/18
LONDON (AP) — Julian Assange had just pulled off one of the biggest scoops in journalistic history, splaying the innards of American diplomacy across the web. But technology firms were cutting ties to his website, WikiLeaks, cable news pundits were calling for his head and a Swedish sex crime case was threatening to put him behind bars. Caught in a vise, the silver-haired Australian wrote to the Russian Consulate in London. “I, Julian Assange, hereby grant full authority to my friend, Israel Shamir, to both drop off and collect my passport, in order to get a visa,” said the letter , which was obtained exclusively by The Associated Press. The Nov. 30, 2010, missive is part of a much larger trove of WikiLeaks emails, chat logs, financial records, secretly recorded footage and other leaked documents. The files provide both an intimate look at the radical transparency organization and an early hint of Assange’s budding relationship with Moscow. The ex-hacker’s links to the Kremlin would become increasingly salient before the 2016 U.S. presidential election, when the FBI says Russia’s military intelligence agency directly supplied WikiLeaks with stolen emails from Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman and other Democratic figures.

Among other things, the documents lay out Assange’s campaign to avoid being arrested and extradited to Sweden over allegations that he sexually molested one woman and raped another during a trip to the Scandinavian country in August 2010. The AP couldn’t confirm whether or when the message was actually delivered, but the choice of Israel Shamir as a go-between was significant. Shamir’s memory appeared sharper during a January, 20, 2011 interview with Russian News Service radio — a Moscow-based station now known as Life Zvuk, or Life Sound. Shamir said he’d personally brokered a Russian visa for Assange, but that it had come too late to rescue him from the sex crimes investigation. Russia “would be one of those places where he and his organization would be comfortable operating,” Shamir explained. Asked if Assange had friends in the Kremlin, Shamir smiled and said: “Let’s hope that’s the case.” On Nov. 30, 2010 — the date on the letter — Interpol issued a Red Notice seeking Assange’s arrest, making any relocation to Russia virtually impossible. Assange would eventually skip bail after exhausting his British legal campaign to block the Swedish extradition effort, darting into the Ecuadorean Embassy on June 19, 2012. The move frustrated the sex crimes prosecution, which was dropped last year, but it sparked a standoff that continues to this day, with Assange refusing to leave the embassy unless he is shielded from extradition to the U.S.

Puts to bed the lie that Assange had no connection with Russia previous to 2016. He planned to flee to Russia in 2010 to avoid prosecution in Sweden for sex crimes.

Once in Russia, Assange knew he would be safe and beyond any Western justice system.
 
Wow, what a lunatic. He wanted to live and remain free. Only insane evil people want that. Apparently.
 
Nobody seriously believes the sex crimes nonsense, which has now all been dropped.

The real sub-plot is that the US wants him because he exposed the workings of the US state. Assange is a freedom fighter who realised too late that London and Washington don't like the truth.
 
Wow, what a lunatic. He wanted to live and remain free. Only insane evil people want that. Apparently.

Maybe if he didn't want to go to jail, he shouldn't have raped those women.
 
Nobody seriously believes the sex crimes nonsense, which has now all been dropped.

The real sub-plot is that the US wants him because he exposed the workings of the US state. Assange is a freedom fighter who realised too late that London and Washington don't like the truth.

"Assange"

"Freedom fighter"

:lamo:lamo:lamo
 
Well, whatever else one might think of him,, he didn't.

Hiding in an embassy until the statue of limitations runs out is not the actions of an innocent man.
 
Tigerace117:

The case is not a cut and dry one by any means.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-sweden

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

If Assange was innocent, he would not have fled and hid in an embassy until the statue of limitations ran out.

That’s the crux of the matter for me. His supporters claim he is innocent, but rather than showing that in court(presumably; my knowledge of Swedish law is somewhat lacking) he fled. Like I said before, that is not the action of an innocent man.
 
Hiding in an embassy until the statue of limitations runs out is not the actions of an innocent man.
But it can be if one fears of being turned over by the Swedes to the US authorities on their extradition order for a completely different issue.

Come on Tiger, you know there was more at play in all this than a Swedish charge of rape that wouldn't have held anyway.
 
But it can be if one fears of being turned over by the Swedes to the US authorities on their extradition order for a completely different issue.

Come on Tiger, you know there was more at play in all this than a Swedish charge of rape that wouldn't have held anyway.

Paranoia is not an valid excuse. We can talk hypotheticals all we want—- but at the end of the day, that’s all they are—- hypotheticals.

No, actually I don’t think we know that. People who consider themselves “great men”—- as Assange clearly does—-commit acts like that all the time. After all, he’s Julian Assange, the guy whose exposed the West—-whobare those people to tell him no at any point?

It’s a ****ed up mentality, but it seems far more likely than a US government plot.....which has the politeness not to violate the ed embassy despite him being a blindingly open fixed target.

On a side note I was watching some TV show and there was an episode where the protagonists had to rescue not-Julian Assange from the not Ecuadorian embassy which was under attack by terrorists.
 
If Assange was innocent, he would not have fled and hid in an embassy until the statue of limitations ran out.

That’s the crux of the matter for me. His supporters claim he is innocent, but rather than showing that in court(presumably; my knowledge of Swedish law is somewhat lacking) he fled. Like I said before, that is not the action of an innocent man.

Tigerace117:

The reason which both Assange and his lawyers gave for refusing to go to Sweden was that he was afraid that once there he would be turned over to US authorities for extradition or arrested enroute by British authorities and likewise be delivered into American hands. He offered to be interviewed by Swedish investigators if they would come to the Embassy and his lawyers tried to get Sweden to commit in writing that they would not extradite him to America but the Swedish authorities refused to offer such a guarantee.

Since the Swedes have dropped the investigation for now and have retracted the arrest warrant for Assange it is interesting that the UK Government still insists on arresting and detaining him despite there having been no crime allegedly committed since the Swedes dropped the case. The Swedish refusal to guarantee no extradition to America and the UK's persistence in wishing to arrest Assange should sound alarm bells to his defense team. This coupled with the intense pressure on the recently elected Equadorian government by the USA to end the sanctuary to Assange in their London embassy would seem to indicate that the "fix" is in for the Australian Wikileaks co-founder. America it seems wants revenge and the only safe-ish port of refuge for Assange is now Putin's Russia.

No one seems terribly interested in asking just what crimes America could charge Assange with, since he is not an American citizen and was not resident in the USA while he was publishing leaked US and international e-mails and documents. If he is to be charged then many American reporters who published similar sensitive material must be in legal jeopardy too. Or it could just be a pretext to disappear Mr. Assange into the dark nooks and crannies of the American security apparatus where he could be put even beyond American law and its legal protections.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Leaked docs show Assange bid for Russian visa

julian-assange.jpg

Julian Assange



Puts to bed the lie that Assange had no connection with Russia previous to 2016. He planned to flee to Russia in 2010 to avoid prosecution in Sweden for sex crimes.

Once in Russia, Assange knew he would be safe and beyond any Western justice system.

The Laurel and Hardy Obama FBI failed to examine the DNC computers when this first broke. Except for possible partisanship and coverup there is no other explanation for this failure to investigate. That makes all democrat claims that Russia gave the emails to Assange nothing but speculation without support.
 
Leaked docs show Assange bid for Russian visa

julian-assange.jpg

Julian Assange



Puts to bed the lie that Assange had no connection with Russia previous to 2016. He planned to flee to Russia in 2010 to avoid prosecution in Sweden for sex crimes.

Once in Russia, Assange knew he would be safe and beyond any Western justice system.

He was more worried about being extradited than facing crimes in sweden, as sex crimes in sweden would land him a nice cell nicer than his embassy with a short sentence. However if he was extradited to let's say the us from sweden he might face hell on earth.


Russia would be a perfect place to hide so long as he accidentally lost all the dirt on russia, otherwise he might have a swimming accident. For his line of work wanting to flee to russia had to be an act of desperation, as other countries he could fare better continuing what he does, while in russia he can only continue what he does so long as the russia govt pretends not to see the leaks, which they will pretend no longer if it affects russia or their allies.
 
Leaked docs show Assange bid for Russian visa

Puts to bed the lie that Assange had no connection with Russia previous to 2016. He planned to flee to Russia in 2010 to avoid prosecution in Sweden for sex crimes.
Once in Russia, Assange knew he would be safe and beyond any Western justice system.


If this is true, I wish him well in Russia and hope he'll enjoy his new-found freedom.
 
The reason which both Assange and his lawyers gave for refusing to go to Sweden was that he was afraid that once there he would be turned over to US authorities for extradition or arrested enroute by British authorities and likewise be delivered into American hands.
And lawyers always tell the truth don’t they. ;) Assange had already submitted to British custody once and was released on bail pending the Swedish extradition case. If the US authorities had wanted him at that point, they could have got him, legitimately or otherwise.

He offered to be interviewed by Swedish investigators if they would come to the Embassy and his lawyers tried to get Sweden to commit in writing that they would not extradite him to America but the Swedish authorities refused to offer such a guarantee.
There was no justification for the Swedish courts to give Assange preferential treatment, especially given he was a proven flight risk. There was certainly no justification for them to promise him blanket immunity from US extradition, it may well not have even been legal for them to do so.

Since the Swedes have dropped the investigation for now and have retracted the arrest warrant for Assange it is interesting that the UK Government still insists on arresting and detaining him despite there having been no crime allegedly committed since the Swedes dropped the case.
He committed crimes in the UK when he jumped bail and attempted to flee the country. Those offences are outstanding and I see no reason why he should be simply let off for them. If he faced up to those offences, the outcome would (and should) probably boil down to extradition, though that would presumably be to Australia.

No one seems terribly interested in asking just what crimes America could charge Assange with, since he is not an American citizen and was not resident in the USA while he was publishing leaked US and international e-mails and documents.
People have asked and the answer is very little. That could well be a reason there has never been an extradition request form the US to any other country for Assange. It’s in Assange’s political and attention-seeking interest to spin up that fear but it’s only ever had limited basis.

If he is to be charged then many American reporters who published similar sensitive material must be in legal jeopardy too.
They always have been. That’s why legitimate journalists carefully manage the content and manner in which they publish sensitive data. I think one of the complications with Wikileaks is its stated purpose of releasing almost everything in the raw (though I feel political bias and celebrity has somewhat compromised that principle, certainly on Assange’s part).
 
We must remember in all this that of all the states in the entire world, the UK would most happily pervert its own legal process in order to satisfy Washington. It really doesn't matter whether the US has no valid basis on which to charge him, they and the British will concoct some cover story to ensure that he is extradited.

Law does not matter when high politics are involved between states.
 
And lawyers always tell the truth don’t they. ;) Assange had already submitted to British custody once and was released on bail pending the Swedish extradition case. If the US authorities had wanted him at that point, they could have got him, legitimately or otherwise.

There was no justification for the Swedish courts to give Assange preferential treatment, especially given he was a proven flight risk. There was certainly no justification for them to promise him blanket immunity from US extradition, it may well not have even been legal for them to do so.

He committed crimes in the UK when he jumped bail and attempted to flee the country. Those offences are outstanding and I see no reason why he should be simply let off for them. If he faced up to those offences, the outcome would (and should) probably boil down to extradition, though that would presumably be to Australia.

People have asked and the answer is very little. That could well be a reason there has never been an extradition request form the US to any other country for Assange. It’s in Assange’s political and attention-seeking interest to spin up that fear but it’s only ever had limited basis.

They always have been. That’s why legitimate journalists carefully manage the content and manner in which they publish sensitive data. I think one of the complications with Wikileaks is its stated purpose of releasing almost everything in the raw (though I feel political bias and celebrity has somewhat compromised that principle, certainly on Assange’s part).

Honest Joe:

A good rebuttal. Well done!

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
We must remember in all this that of all the states in the entire world, the UK would most happily pervert its own legal process in order to satisfy Washington. It really doesn't matter whether the US has no valid basis on which to charge him, they and the British will concoct some cover story to ensure that he is extradited.

Law does not matter when high politics are involved between states.

And yet the UK didn't....
 
We must remember in all this that of all the states in the entire world.....

Moscow is one of a handful of pariah states that doesn't give a crap about the rule of law.
 
Tigerace117:

The reason which both Assange and his lawyers gave for refusing to go to Sweden was that he was afraid that once there he would be turned over to US authorities for extradition or arrested enroute by British authorities and likewise be delivered into American hands. He offered to be interviewed by Swedish investigators if they would come to the Embassy and his lawyers tried to get Sweden to commit in writing that they would not extradite him to America but the Swedish authorities refused to offer such a guarantee.

Since the Swedes have dropped the investigation for now and have retracted the arrest warrant for Assange it is interesting that the UK Government still insists on arresting and detaining him despite there having been no crime allegedly committed since the Swedes dropped the case. The Swedish refusal to guarantee no extradition to America and the UK's persistence in wishing to arrest Assange should sound alarm bells to his defense team. This coupled with the intense pressure on the recently elected Equadorian government by the USA to end the sanctuary to Assange in their London embassy would seem to indicate that the "fix" is in for the Australian Wikileaks co-founder. America it seems wants revenge and the only safe-ish port of refuge for Assange is now Putin's Russia.

No one seems terribly interested in asking just what crimes America could charge Assange with, since he is not an American citizen and was not resident in the USA while he was publishing leaked US and international e-mails and documents. If he is to be charged then many American reporters who published similar sensitive material must be in legal jeopardy too. Or it could just be a pretext to disappear Mr. Assange into the dark nooks and crannies of the American security apparatus where he could be put even beyond American law and its legal protections.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Like I said before, paranoia is not a valid excuse. A person who commits a crime does not just get to skip out on the consequences because he is paranoid that he will get "disappeared"(and frankly, when you think about it, the concept is absolutely moronic--he is high profile enough that "disappearing" him simply would not fly)>

The Swedish authorities had no obligation to indulge any criminal's paranoia. Playing into a delusional person's fantasies only reinforces them.

Yes, when a criminal hides out until the statue of limitations runs out there doesn't seem to be much point in hoping he will cease such behavior. It is interesting that a person whose whole shtick is "making the government accountable to the people" has decided that he is special and not accountable to the people himself. Interesting.....but not surprising.

Yes, the US government tends not to look kindly on other government's allowing criminals to wait out the statue of limitations in their embassies. That is nothing new; nor is it any sort of "malign plot" like Assange seems to believe.

Yep, the only way for Assange to avoid the consequences of his actions is to flee to the "welcoming"arms of a regime which has committed crimes that makes those of the US pale in comparison.
 
Like I said before, paranoia is not a valid excuse. A person who commits a crime does not just get to skip out on the consequences because he is paranoid that he will get "disappeared"(and frankly, when you think about it, the concept is absolutely moronic--he is high profile enough that "disappearing" him simply would not fly)>

The Swedish authorities had no obligation to indulge any criminal's paranoia. Playing into a delusional person's fantasies only reinforces them.

Yes, when a criminal hides out until the statue of limitations runs out there doesn't seem to be much point in hoping he will cease such behavior. It is interesting that a person whose whole shtick is "making the government accountable to the people" has decided that he is special and not accountable to the people himself. Interesting.....but not surprising.

Yes, the US government tends not to look kindly on other government's allowing criminals to wait out the statue of limitations in their embassies. That is nothing new; nor is it any sort of "malign plot" like Assange seems to believe.

Yep, the only way for Assange to avoid the consequences of his actions is to flee to the "welcoming"arms of a regime which has committed crimes that makes those of the US pale in comparison.

Tigerace117:

You call Mr. Assange a criminal but he has been convicted of nothing in this matter. What happened to the presumption of innocence? If an innocent person believes that his prosecution for a crime is being done for political reasons and that prosecution could result in his extradition and permanent imprisonment without due legal process by a third-party state then that seems pretty reasonable in my mind. The fact that the US Government squirrels away non-citizens in places like black prisons, on ships at sea and at Guantanamo Bay makes these suspicions more rational and less paranoia.

Did you read the details of the case against Assange which I posted above? He did not sexually assault anyone by the alleged victims' own admissions. They both consented to having sex with him and did not explicitly retract their consents to him, instead choosing to remain silent and suffer the intercourse which followed. They both allowed Mr. Assange to stay with them after the alleged sexual improprieties/assaults and one victim even hosted a party for him after the alleged sexual misconduct had occurred. Swedish authorities investigated the allegations against Mr. Assad and decided to shelve the case based on its weak merits. Then all of a sudden as Assange becomes a real problem for certain governments all around the world, the case is active again with no new evidence or new victims reporting alleged misconduct. That, in conjunction with all the other peculiar circumstances surrounding the Assange case, means that what you call paranoia may well be a rational and reasonable fear about the motives of Swedish prosecutors or their political bosses in reopening the case and going after Mr. Assange for a second time.

This was not rape in the sense of the word as most people understand it. Mr. Assange committed what might be called sexual misconduct by repeatedly refusing to use a condom even though he relented in each instance eventually and used one. The broken condom issue is down to a he said/she said evaluation and Swedish authorities realised this was an unwinnable and probably frivolous prosecution. To characterise this as rape is disingenuous and only serves to inflame the emotions of those who don't bother to read the particulars of the case.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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You call Mr. Assange a criminal but he has been convicted of nothing in this matter.

Why does an innocent person hide in an embassy for years?
 
Why does an innocent person hide in an embassy for years?

Rogue Valley:

With great determination and perseverance fueled by the very reasonable fear that the greatest military and economic power on Earth wants to "get him".

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Leaked docs show Assange bid for Russian visa

julian-assange.jpg

Julian Assange



Puts to bed the lie that Assange had no connection with Russia previous to 2016. He planned to flee to Russia in 2010 to avoid prosecution in Sweden for sex crimes.

Once in Russia, Assange knew he would be safe and beyond any Western justice system.
I wonder if he and Snowden would have shared a flat?
 
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