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Why We’re Sharing 3 Million Russian Troll Tweets

Westphalian said:
From the article:

“They are trying to divide our country,” Linvill added.




Note here a refusal to accept that the US is divided, or that division could conceivably be caused by anything internal to the US itself. Oh no ......... it's the Russians, with their Rasputin like powers of mind altering hypnotism, without whom presumably Clinton would have won convincingly and presided over a united country full of adoring and grateful citizens.


Again, I'm left to ask - who is really delusional in all this?
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Given the thinness of Trumps win with a mere 80,000 votes in 3 blue States being the total margin in the electoral college it is far from delusional to think that enough minds were changed by illegal means to swing the election. Why do you think propaganda is ineffective? Because your man benefited from it? That is not a valid reason.
 
Chagos said:
I was contemplating using the term blunderbuss.

Not only on account of how wide that one sprays, but also as a description of Russia's methods. As a means of not really aiming with precision but hoping that something will get hit anyway, however clumsy the shot.

The gullibility one gets to see on our side these days in face of the general trolling, distortions and overall disinformation with fake news appears to give said approach some merit.
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I'll only say this, but I say it as someone who spent six years working for a Russian language television program originating out of West Hollywood (Los Angeles) ...

"This ain't your grandpa's Soviet era anti-American espionage and propaganda."

Somewhere between Boris Yeltsin standing atop a tank and Matt Taibbi's Viagra-fueled expat tour of Moscow's fleshpots, the Russians got VERY VERY good at what they're doing.

Russian agitprop aimed at the United States is a very sophisticated and fully weaponized psyop delivery tool, and it works. It is working very very well.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Hmmm...did you read your own citation?

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-were-sharing-3-million-russian-troll-tweets/

In any case, my response stands...even were the figure tripled, it would still be a drop in the ocean. :coffeepap:
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As I read it, the 3 million tweets is by Russian trolls and does include the millions more being retweeted by Trump supporters and certainly not those tweets that are also pushed to Facebook, who then get shared as well.

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Checkerboard Strangler said:
I'll only say this, but I say it as someone who spent six years working for a Russian language television program originating out of West Hollywood (Los Angeles) ...

"This ain't your grandpa's Soviet era anti-American espionage and propaganda."

Somewhere between Boris Yeltsin standing atop a tank and Matt Taibbi's Viagra-fueled expat tour of Moscow's fleshpots, the Russians got VERY VERY good at what they're doing.

Russian agitprop aimed at the United States is a very sophisticated and fully weaponized psyop delivery tool, and it works. It is working very very well.
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We're actually not singing from different hymn sheets at all. And I'm not saying the appliance of a blunderbuss need be lacking in sophistication even where the instrument appears to be.

At the end of the day the results count and I agree that we already see them. Alone by the number of idiots that don't.
 
iguanaman said:
Given the thinness of Trumps win with a mere 80,000 votes in 3 blue States being the total margin in the electoral college it is far from delusional to think that enough minds were changed by illegal means to swing the election. Why do you think propaganda is ineffective? Because your man benefited from it? That is not a valid reason.
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One need realize that the one you respond to here is engaging in the very thing he tries to sell as being ineffective.

That only appears schizophrenic at perfunctory glance, doing and denying in one breath is an age old method.
 
The elite's obsession with Russia, to the exclusion of virtually everything else, is merely widening the chasm between them and ordinary people.

https://www.thenation.com/article/elite-fixation-russiagate/

A poll by The Hill and the HarrisX polling company found 54 percent support for Trump’s now-scuttled plan for a follow-up summit with Putin at the White House. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found that Trump’s post-Helsinki approval rating slightly increased to 45 percent. While the uptick does not necessarily signal an embrace of Trump’s behavior, it is not difficult to see why his numbers did not plummet. In a recent Gallup poll on problems facing the country, the “Situation with Russia” was such a marginal concern that it did not even register. While an NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll found that 64 percent believe Trump has not been tough enough on Russia, it also saw a near-even split on whether Putin is a foe or an ally, and 59 percent support for better relations.

The gap between elite and public priorities highlights an endemic problem that long predates Trump. Since his election, however, the elite fixation on alleged Russian meddling and the president’s suspected collusion has exacerbated that divide.

From the outset, Russiagate proponents have exhibited a blind faith in the unverified claims of US government officials and other sources, most of them unnamed. The reaction to special counsel Robert Mueller’s recent indictment of 12 Russian military-intelligence officers for hacking of Democratic party servers and voter databases is no exception. Mueller’s indictment is certainly detailed. Most significantly, it marks the first time anyone has been charged for offenses related to Russiagate’s underlying crime. But while it is a major step forward in the investigation, we have yet to see the basis for the allegations that Mueller has lodged. As with any criminal case, from a petty offense to a cybercrime charge against a foreign government, a verdict cannot be formed in the absence of this evidence.

The record of US intelligence, replete with lies and errors, underscores the need for caution. Mueller was a player in one of this century’s most disastrous follies when, in congressional testimony, he endorsed claims about Iraqi WMDs and warned that Saddam Hussein “may supply” chemical and biological material to “terrorists.” That does not mean Mueller perjured himself back then, or that he is concocting a false case now. It just means that government officials can make mistakes based on faulty information.
 
I've never shared any Russian troll tweets. I've been anti-Kremlin since the invasion of Crimea in 2014. When the horrific 2016 election came around I always saw the discord and controversy prevalent indicative therein as certainly in some ways a result of an overly-aggressive and paranoid Russia, which while I disagree with them vehemently I can understand why they're so afraid of America considering the presidential candidates we put up on both sides of the aisle (yes, even Bernie was a bad choice. The parties on both sides were filled to the brim with morons, extremists, Kremlin toadies and/or psychopathic wannabe dictators such as Ted Cruz)
 
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