Was Brexit the harbinger of Donald Trump ? if so, would the vice versa come true ?

I guess recent growth in neo-nationalism and right-wing inclinations first started in Europe
because of many reasons:
escalation of terror and rush of migrants especially after sectarian clashes in Iraq and civil
war in Syria that resulted in the formation of ISIS and many other reasons that eventually
caused the advent of Brexit that happened just before US election in 2016.

The point that Brexit was one of the last effective elements on a trend in US public opinion
arise from the fact that Britain's cultural heritage for US is undeniable and important as far
as Americans seeks their cultural history and literature before formation of US in Great
Britain, or Britain Empire at that time.

Now that US European allies are frustrated with anti-alliance policies of Mr. Trump and his
motto: "America first", perhaps one of their resorts at this stalemate is stopping or even
aborting Brexit, causing an effective crack in that trend in US public opinion-that turned
into fanaticism-and in political inclination among some US politicians that, unbelievably,
support Trump.

And it seems that Mr. Trump and his supporters' strategy is to inflame that fanaticism
(especially because of short-term benefits of Mr. Trump’s policies for US) and uphold the
“America first” policy that would have irreversible consequences for the whole glob, even if
maintained to the end of his first term in office.

So E.U. countries and especially Britain should have enough incentives to resort to whatever
counsel to stop Donald Trump and his supporters .

Herbex said:

I guess recent growth in neo-nationalism and right-wing inclinations first started in Europe
because of many reasons:
escalation of terror and rush of migrants especially after sectarian clashes in Iraq and civil
war in Syria that resulted in the formation of ISIS and many other reasons that eventually
caused the advent of Brexit that happened just before US election in 2016.

The point that Brexit was one of the last effective elements on a trend in US public opinion
arise from the fact that Britain's cultural heritage for US is undeniable and important as far
as Americans seeks their cultural history and literature before formation of US in Great
Britain, or Britain Empire at that time.

Now that US European allies are frustrated with anti-alliance policies of Mr. Trump and his
motto: "America first", perhaps one of their resorts at this stalemate is stopping or even
aborting Brexit, causing an effective crack in that trend in US public opinion-that turned
into fanaticism-and in political inclination among some US politicians that, unbelievably,
support Trump.

And it seems that Mr. Trump and his supporters' strategy is to inflame that fanaticism
(especially because of short-term benefits of Mr. Trump’s policies for US) and uphold the
“America first” policy that would have irreversible consequences for the whole glob, even if
maintained to the end of his first term in office.

So E.U. countries and especially Britain should have enough incentives to resort to whatever
counsel to stop Donald Trump and his supporters .

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I think Brexit/Trump were pushbacks to same trend - they are outcomes, not causes. In order for Brexit/Trump to be reversed, more of the population has to be convinced that the following are good ideas: non-assimilation, English illiteracy, Sharia law, and apologizing for who they are as a country and a people.

Herbex said:

I guess recent growth in neo-nationalism and right-wing inclinations first started in Europe
because of many reasons:
escalation of terror and rush of migrants especially after sectarian clashes in Iraq and civil
war in Syria that resulted in the formation of ISIS and many other reasons that eventually
caused the advent of Brexit that happened just before US election in 2016.

The point that Brexit was one of the last effective elements on a trend in US public opinion
arise from the fact that Britain's cultural heritage for US is undeniable and important as far
as Americans seeks their cultural history and literature before formation of US in Great
Britain, or Britain Empire at that time.

Now that US European allies are frustrated with anti-alliance policies of Mr. Trump and his
motto: "America first", perhaps one of their resorts at this stalemate is stopping or even
aborting Brexit, causing an effective crack in that trend in US public opinion-that turned
into fanaticism-and in political inclination among some US politicians that, unbelievably,
support Trump.

And it seems that Mr. Trump and his supporters' strategy is to inflame that fanaticism
(especially because of short-term benefits of Mr. Trump’s policies for US) and uphold the
“America first” policy that would have irreversible consequences for the whole glob, even if
maintained to the end of his first term in office.

So E.U. countries and especially Britain should have enough incentives to resort to whatever
counsel to stop Donald Trump and his supporters .

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Trump in my opinion was the results of a lot of people tiring of the status quo and business as usual. Still those folks were still in the minority as the moon, the sun, the planets, the stars had to align just right for Trump to win. Nominating Hillary Clinton by the Democrats was the first step in aligning those planets and stars in Trump's direction. She was as disliked as a candidate as Trump was, more disliked by independents, the non-affiliated than Trump.

Without Hillary, there probably would have been no Trump. Hillary allowed Trump to both out work her and out campaign her by the huge margin of 116 campaign visits/stops to 71. This was especially apparent in the four decisive states. Wisconsin, five visits/stop for Trump, zero, none, zilch for Hillary. Michigan six for Trump, one for Hillary, Pennsylvania, eight for Trump, five for Hillary and even in electoral rich Florida, 13 for Trump, 8 for Hillary. Days off the campaign trail, none for Trump, several for Hillary. Laziness on Hillary's part, perhaps? Name me any other Democratic candidate that would let her opponent out campaign and out work them by that much.

An inept campaign strategy on Hillary's part which concentrated on gaining more electoral votes than Obama did. She spent a lot of time, energy, money trying to win Georgia, Arizona and Utah when she should have been paying attention to her so called blue wall states, her backyard. He campaign was lackluster, more ho hum, Trump's full of energy and enthusiasm. It's almost like Hillary thought being next in line was enough to win, that the election was hers, perhaps she took it for granted. Yet without everything going perfect for Trump on election day, he still would have lost.

It was the choice of candidates that resulted in the election of Donald Trump. If one goes back to November of 2016, one finds 25% of the electorate viewed Hillary very favorably, 22% held the same view of Trump. Those who strongly or very unfavorable views of Hillary were 48% vs. 51%. for Trump. This explains the 2 point edge Hillary had over Trump in the popular vote. Where Hillary lost it, was independents, the non-affiliated voters when went to Trump and put him over the hump. 57% of independents have a very strong negative view of Hillary vs. 46% for Trump. Overall counting the somewhat unfavorable views independents had for the two candidates, Hillary's was at 70% vs. 57% for Trump. Candidates matter.

Questions 10 and 11.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/l37rosbwjp/econTabReport_lv.pdf

May says Great Britain will be in the EU until May, 2019 ................... why not just leave now; what are you waiting for? Scared? ..........

cuban smokes said:

May says Great Britain will be in the EU until May, 2019 ................... why not just leave now; what are you waiting for? Scared? ..........

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Because it's a complicated process and deals need to be sorted.

Rickeroo said:

I think Brexit/Trump were pushbacks to same trend - they are outcomes, not causes. In order for Brexit/Trump to be reversed, more of the population has to be convinced that the following are good ideas: non-assimilation, English illiteracy, Sharia law, and apologizing for who they are as a country and a people.

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What the f*ck does that have to do with Brexit?

Aristaeus said:

What the f*ck does that have to do with Brexit?

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Basically, Brexit was a pushback against foreigners coming into the UK, with no onus of assimilation. Brexit supporters don't want a situation like Sweden, which doesn't care about assimilation and would rather have segregated areas of various cultures, the 'no go' zones.

Telling all the causes of Brexit and later on, the presidency of Mr. Trump will be a long story but perhaps one can summarize most of those causes in the fact that the developed countries where not farsighted enough to predict the “unforeseen conflicts” that would arise from the large gaps between developed and undeveloped countries while globalization process comes to turning points, that now we are now approaching.

I agree that Brexit was not one of the main, or long term causes of Trump’s presidency but it could be the last major event for (and was also the result of) the rising neo-nationalistic, segregational, and Islamophobic sentiments to convince enough margin of voters, however a very narrow margin, to resort to a quite uncommon and eccentric character, hoping he may stop uncommon and eccentric phenomena as ISIS , rush of migrants and other reasons such as Russians’ expansionism.
So I guess if Brexit didn't happen , Mr. Trump possibly wouldn't be elected.

The facts that Brexit and Trump's presidency are both outcomes of very close encounters in the polls and also the advent of new neo-nationalistic parties in Europe, possibly tells us that we are in a transition phase in the west's public opinion resulting from those "unforeseen conflicts".
So every political event can have determining effect on the tendency of that public opinion that would either turn towards neo-nationalism and segregation-ism or towards ideas and solutions not to let those "unforeseen conflicts" turn into dilemmas or even more major wars.

Brexit/Trump are inextricably linked. Many people in Britain, the USA and Russia were involved. PBS just ran a show about it, which shamefully, the British Public Service broadcasters have avoided doing.

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/19/6304...ce=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&t=1532037946011