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Russia Building Up Military Sites on Poland’s Border Before Trump-Putin Meeting

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Russia Building Up Military Sites on Poland’s Border Before Trump-Putin Meeting

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Kaliningrad Oblast, Russia.

7/9/18
As President Donald Trump prepares to meet with NATO leaders and Russian President Vladimir Putin, Moscow has been improving its westernmost military facilities. Between March and June, Russia made several improvements to a munitions storage site in its Baltic Sea exclave of Kaliningrad, satellite photos show. An 86-square-mile piece of territory between Poland and Lithuania, the enclave was an important outpost for the Soviet Union. Now it is springing back to life as part of a Russian military buildup that has been accelerating since 2015. The photos, by satellite imaging company Planet Labs, show changes around a kind of bunker facility in Baltiysk, near the Polish border. “The visible change between the two images provided appears to be the fortification of buildings, characteristic of explosive storage bunkers, utilizing earthen berms to further insulate these structures. There also appears to be clearings, new structures visible within the the forested portion of the installation, as well as a berm and exterior fence surrounding the installation,” Hall said in an email. Defense One asked NGA officials about recent Russian activity in Baltiysk. They said they could not comment because such information is classified.

In June, a Federation of American Scientists report said that satellite photos of a different site, about eight miles away, show Russia has upgraded nuclear-weapons bunkers on the exclave. The presence of nuclear weapons in Kaliningrad has been a topic of speculation and concern for years. In 2016, the Russians deployed the SS-26 Iskander, a nuclear-capable missile with a range of more than 400 kilometers, to Kaliningrad. It joins one or more S-400 anti-aircraft batteries, which have a range of nearly 250 kilometers. Pentagon officials declined to comment on Russian activity at Kaliningrad. Russia has been adding troops since 2015 to Kaliningrad, which is the home of Russia’s 11 Army Corps and the headquarters of the Russian Baltic Fleet. Baltiysk itself contains a major Russian naval port and the Chernyakhovsk and Donskoy air bases. Even more troubling has been Russia’s adoption of military strategies and capabilities that rely on nuclear escalation for their success.”
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Moscow loves to bitch about NATO aggressive behavior. What the Kremlin always conveniently neglects to mention is Kaliningrad Oblast, which houses Russian Iskander-B missiles which are nuclear capable. These missiles have the range to target five NATO capital cities; Berlin, Warsaw, Vilnius, Riga, and Tallinn. These missiles can also hit Minsk, the capital of Belarus and the cities of Lviv (725,000) and Rivne (247,000) in western Ukraine.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Russia Building Up Military Sites on Poland’s Border Before Trump-Putin Meeting

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Kaliningrad Oblast, Russia.

Moscow loves to bitch about NATO aggressive behavior. What the Kremlin always conveniently neglects to mention is Kaliningrad Oblast, which houses Russian Iskander-B missiles which are nuclear capable. These missiles have the range to target five NATO capital cities; Berlin, Warsaw, Vilnius, Riga, and Tallinn. These missiles can also hit Minsk, the capital of Belarus and the cities of Lviv (725,000) and Rivne (247,000) in western Ukraine.
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Damn Russia for having their military inside their own borders! How provocative of them!....meanwhile, the U.S. doing join military maneuvers on the entire other side of the world with South Korea or with eastern NATO countries is not to be seen as provocative.
 
Exactly right Fishking.

The deployment of Iskanders to Kaliningrad was warned about as far back as 2008 under President Medvedev. It is a direct response to the US deployment of missile defence complexes in Poland, thousands of miles from the US.

Poland was warned of the consequences for itself of becoming a forward deployed pad for US forces. Warsaw reaps what it sows.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Russia Building Up Military Sites on Poland’s Border Before Trump-Putin Meeting

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Kaliningrad Oblast, Russia.



Moscow loves to bitch about NATO aggressive behavior. What the Kremlin always conveniently neglects to mention is Kaliningrad Oblast, which houses Russian Iskander-B missiles which are nuclear capable. These missiles have the range to target five NATO capital cities; Berlin, Warsaw, Vilnius, Riga, and Tallinn. These missiles can also hit Minsk, the capital of Belarus and the cities of Lviv (725,000) and Rivne (247,000) in western Ukraine.
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This is about as scary as the boogieman stories I was told back when I was 5-6 years old.
 
Fishking said:
Damn Russia for having their military inside their own borders! How provocative of them!....meanwhile, the U.S. doing join military maneuvers on the entire other side of the world with South Korea or with eastern NATO countries is not to be seen as provocative.
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Russia cried like a little girl when NATO got anywhere near their borders a la Ukraine.
 
Westphalian said:
Exactly right Fishking.

The deployment of Iskanders to Kaliningrad was warned about as far back as 2008 under President Medvedev. It is a direct response to the US deployment of missile defence complexes in Poland, thousands of miles from the US.

Poland was warned of the consequences for itself of becoming a forward deployed pad for US forces. Warsaw reaps what it sows.
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Missile DEFENSE complexes....

For Europe... Which is why they are in Poland.... Kind of hard to defend Europe with missiles in the US.

And threatening Poland for defending itself... So Hitler/Stalinist.
 
Fledermaus said:
Russia cried like a little girl when NATO got anywhere near their borders a la Ukraine.
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I thought they were a revanchist power who annexed Ukraine?

Can't you chaps get your story straight?
 
Fledermaus said:
Missile DEFENSE complexes....

For Europe... Which is why they are in Poland.... Kind of hard to defend Europe with missiles in the US.

And threatening Poland for defending itself... So Hitler/Stalinist.
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:lol: Don't kid yourself.

They're not 'for Europe' at all.

They're designed to intercept ballistic missiles in the defence of the US.

Indeed, if they were of any use for the defence of Poland, then Warsaw wouldn't be crying that it has no defences against Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad.
 
Fishking said:
Damn Russia for having their military inside their own borders! How provocative of them!....meanwhile, the U.S. doing join military maneuvers on the entire other side of the world with South Korea or with eastern NATO countries is not to be seen as provocative.
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Man...you guys love your strong arm dictators.
 
Westphalian said:
:lol: Don't kid yourself.

They're not 'for Europe' at all.

They're designed to intercept ballistic missiles in the defence of the US.

Indeed, if they were of any use for the defence of Poland, then Warsaw wouldn't be crying that it has no defences against Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad.
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Why would Russia launch ballistic missiles at the US over Europe?

That is ignorant...

You really don't know what you are talking about. Do you?
 
RetiredUSN said:
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If not.....g:roll:eek: tell the United Nations.
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The rightwing love affair of Putin is obvious. The relationship has only gotten more heated once Trump has taken over. The idea that anyone on the right would compare a Russian military build up to join exercises with S Korea is a very new phenomenon.
 
Fishking said:
Damn Russia for having their military inside their own borders! How provocative of them!....meanwhile, the U.S. doing join military maneuvers on the entire other side of the world with South Korea or with eastern NATO countries is not to be seen as provocative.
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Try again Fish.

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NATO/Russia borders
 
RetiredUSN said:
This is about as scary as the boogieman stories I was told back when I was 5-6 years old.
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You should have served in the Russian Navy you love them so much lol.
 
Fledermaus said:
You really don't know what you are talking about. Do you?
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No, he rarely does. I believe Westphalian lives in Kaliningrad (Location: Baltics). That would explain much.
 
iliveonramen said:
The rightwing love affair of Putin is obvious. The relationship has only gotten more heated once Trump has taken over. The idea that anyone on the right would compare a Russian military build up to join exercises with S Korea is a very new phenomenon.
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The right warned you on Putin during Romney's run for president. Even McCain was laughed out of the room.


Now you pretend that it never happened.


Oh well......maybe the right can borrow Obama's and Hillary's reset button.
 
Rogue Valley said:
You should have served in the Russian Navy you love them so much lol.
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This is how I expect little girls having their hissy fit emotional tantrums to reply...……………... I think you can do better.


Russia is well within it's rights to self protection inside their borders.


Just like it is a right for the European border countries of Russia to play their war games.


Take a deep breath.
 
RetiredUSN said:
This is how I expect little girls having their hissy fit emotional tantrums to reply...……………... I think you can do better.


Russia is well within it's rights to self protection inside their borders.


Just like it is a right for the European border countries of Russia to play their war games.


Take a deep breath.
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Here sailor. I'll let you double-chew on one of your insipid thread responses.....

Care to expand?

If not.....go:roll:tell the United Nations.
 
RetiredUSN said:
The right warned you on Putin during Romney's run for president. Even McCain was laughed out of the room.


Now you pretend that it never happened.


Oh well......maybe the right can borrow Obama's and Hillary's reset button.
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This article lays out why I think Romney was wrong and is still wrong.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/01/15/romney-russia-republican/

Edit: Russia's biggest victory against the US since the 80's was conducted by a few troll farms posting on Facebook.
 
Dontcha just hate current or former US military personnel that are soft as Charmin on the Russkies?

I know I do. I'll never understand that mentality. Especially when Russia is still ****ing with us.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Here sailor. I'll let you double-chew on one of your insipid thread responses.....

Care to expand?

If not.....go:roll:tell the United Nations.
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Never mind...…… I can understand that you are embarrassed to be called out for a nonsensical thread...…. so I get it. I really do.

But anyways, Russia has the right to place their military hardware wherever they please within their borders.

Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

Maybe you shouldn't be posting military threads until you actually have a layman's understanding on what a sovereign nation's right to self protection is to begin with.
 
RetiredUSN said:
:roll:


My point is ….you all laughed.

Now it is important to you only because you lost a election, and now want to throw a tantrum on aisle 5.

You liberals own your own arrogance.
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Russia is a not a geo-political threat. The problem with Russia and other countries like Russia (Pakistan, N Korea, Iran) is that they are unstable dictatorships and the fall of their regimes could equal chaos and the potential for nukes to get "lost". In Russia the problem is the worst just due the large amount of nukes in that country.

The idea that Obama was "weak" on Russia for wanting to work with them to decrease the number of nukes is crazy. Romney was pulling the typical "we're strong on defense and you guys are weak" and using Russia to make that argument.
 
iliveonramen said:
Russia is a not a geo-political threat. The problem with Russia and other countries like Russia (Pakistan, N Korea, Iran) is that they are unstable dictatorships and the fall of their regimes could equal chaos and the potential for nukes to get "lost". In Russia the problem is the worst just due the large amount of nukes in that country.

The idea that Obama was "weak" on Russia for wanting to work with them to decrease the number of nukes is crazy. Romney was pulling the typical "we're strong on defense and you guys are weak" and using Russia to make that argument.
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OK, then why did Putin stick it to Obama at every turn if you liberals were supposedly strong on defense?

I can understand the Euro's consoling Obama's red line in the sand.

After all, he was only trying to protect the Syrian oil shipments to Europe ….right?

Oh......and Libya too. He couldn't let his Euro buddies go down on that one either, and he even went as far as calling it the Arab Spring!

You guys are so full of crap.
 
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