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In Eastern Europe, Militaries Gird Against Russian Might and Manipulation

Fledermaus said:
What has been PROVEN yet?
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Enough, especially when you factor in what you've already admitted to knowing about the Russian regime. lol.. denying Russian collusion is a bit like denying that the 31st victim found in John Wayne Gacy's crawlspace was killed by John Wayne Gacey.
 
calamity said:
Enough, especially when you factor in what you've already admitted to knowing about the Russian regime. lol.. denying Russian collusion is a bit like denying that the 31st victim found in John Wayne Gacy's crawlspace was killed by John Wayne Gacey.
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You are grasping now....

You don't know anyone who travels?
 
RetiredUSN said:
The same could be said for many American cities, so what is your point here?
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When was the last time you had to bribe the Gas man to fix a leak in the building. Then bribe the guy at their version of the DMV... Then bribe the __________ (insert bureaucract drone),.

I don't see it in California... Is it widespread in your city?
 
Fledermaus said:
You are grasping now....

You don't know anyone who travels?
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Stay real.

You know the Russians are sneaky bastards and there is plenty of evidence that they reached into the Trump campaign. We also have a decent money trail, from loans to cash condo sales, stemming from Russian and pro-Putin Ukrainians leading directly to Trump business interests prior to the election. There's the Steele dossier and 20 indictments: conspiracy against the US, lying to congress and the FBI, etc., backing it all up to boot.

Like I said with the Gacy analogy, denying Russian involvement on this is a lot like denying Jessie James robbed another train. :roll:
 
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...great-russian-disinformation-campaign/564032/

In this new schizo-fascism, homosexuals played the part assigned to Jews by the fascists of earlier eras. Democratic societies were branded by Russian TV as “homodictatorships.” When Ukrainians protested against faked elections and the murder of protesters, Russian TV told viewers, “The fact that the first and most zealous integrators [with the European Union] in Ukraine are sexual perverts has long been known.” Putin himself struck more macho poses and wore outfits more butch than all the stars of the Village People combined. In Snyder’s pithy phrase, "Putin was offering masculinity as an argument against democracy.”


...Yet the most crucial turn to a new kind of politics—one now agonizingly familiar to Americans—arrived with the Russian invasion of Crimea in February 2014. Even as Russian troops in Russian uniforms seized the peninsula, Putin denied anything was happening at all. Anyone could buy a uniform in a military surplus store. Russia was the victim, not the aggressor. “The war was not taking place; but were it taking place, America was to be blamed.”

Snyder identifies a new style of rhetoric: implausible deniability.
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There are interesting parallels all over that linked article.
 
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calamity said:
Stay real.

You know the Russians are sneaky bastards and there is plenty of evidence that they reached into the Trump campaign. We also have a decent money trail, from loans to cash condo sales, stemming from Russian and pro-Putin Ukrainians leading directly to Trump business interests prior to the election. There's the Steele dossier and 20 indictments: conspiracy against the US, lying to congress and the FBI, etc., backing it all up to boot.

Like I said with the Gacy analogy, denying Russian involvement on this is a lot like denying Jessie James robbed another train. :roll:
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Do I believe the Russians tried to interfer?

Yes. Just as they have since the days of the USSR.

When you get EVIDENCE of collusion get back with me.
 
Fledermaus said:
Do I believe the Russians tried to interfer?

Yes. Just as they have since the days of the USSR.

When you get EVIDENCE of collusion get back with me.
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Shrug---it's there. Not my job to argue with people who don't want to see.

I'm done derailing the thread. I just wanted to see how you reconciled obvious logic on one hand with clear denial on the other.

The last word is yours, if you want it.
 
calamity said:
Shrug---it's there. Not my job to argue with people who don't want to see.

I'm done derailing the thread. I just wanted to see how you reconciled obvious logic on one hand with clear denial on the other.

The last word is yours, if you want it.
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There are plenty of threads where you can post your EVIDENCE of collusion... Go there.
 
Fledermaus said:
There are plenty of threads where you can post your EVIDENCE of collusion... Go there.
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Trump did have at least three foreign agents (Flynn/Manifort/Gates) on his campaign staff. Many more were in contact with Russians.

If there is any existent evidence of collusion or conspiracy, such will be revealed by Robert Mueller.

Not casting aspersions, but there is indeed a goodly amount of visible smoke.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Trump did have at least three foreign agents (Flynn/Manifort/Gates) on his campaign staff. Many more were in contact with Russians.

If there is any existent evidence of collusion or conspiracy, such will be revealed by Robert Mueller.

Not casting aspersions, but there is indeed a goodly amount of visible smoke.
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I agree.

But unlike Calamity and others I'm going to wait from the investigators to do their jobs.
 
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