Jewish-German Girl was Killed by Iraqi Migrant who Then Fled to Iraq

ThoughtEx. said:

I'm not interested in your far right spin. No one thinks you are at all concerned about any victim, anywhere. You just don't like Muslim Immigrants and look for anything that can paint them as monsters. When in reality, humans suck, and if you have enough humans in one place, some of them are going to suck more than others. Judging a whole religion, and group of people on a few sucky ones. Is not an American value, in fact it's the opposite of an American value. And it's cowardly.

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What exactly is cowardly about linking to an Australian and a Bloomberg article about sex crimes committed by refugees in Germany?

It seems you don't want to hear the truth but rather call it a far right spin and you immediately assume I don't like Muslims. Neither the articles nor I mentioned Muslims.

What is really cowardly is refusing to see.

ThoughtEx. said:

And what happens when I clarify my argument that I did make, and your argument is exactly what I said it would be?

"It boils down to a recording you know you have damn well heard" -my argument, don't pretend you don't know which recording.

It would be a huge waste of my time. Is what would happen. Go bother someone else.

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I think I know which recording, but I want to be sure.

Barnacle said:

What exactly is cowardly about linking to an Australian and a Bloomberg article about sex crimes committed by refugees in Germany?

It seems you don't want to hear the truth but rather call it a far right spin and you immediately assume I don't like Muslims. Neither the articles nor I mentioned Muslims.

What is really cowardly is refusing to see.

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See what, that muslim immigrants are a real threat? I can see that's the overall point you're trying to make. The details you are using to make it are irrelevant.

I hope they inflict the harshest punishment on this guy imaginable.

That doesn't mean I'm going to fall for your blatantly obvious "Fear the Muslim" stance.

Fear does not dictate my values. It's called integrity, give it a try sometime.

ThoughtEx. said:

See what, that muslim immigrants are a real threat? I can see that's the overall point you're trying to make. The details you are using to make it are irrelevant.

I hope they inflict the harshest punishment on this guy imaginable.

That doesn't mean I'm going to fall for your blatantly obvious "Fear the Muslim" stance.

Fear does not dictate my values. It's called integrity, give it a try sometime.

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EMNofSeattle said:

I think I know which recording, but I want to be sure.

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Fine, I want to see if you can think up something new I haven't heard before, as you are so insistent. Here's the transcript.

Donald J. Trump: You know and ...

Unknown: She used to be great. She’s still very beautiful. Indicates they are talking about a specific person

Trump: I moved on her, actually. You know, she was down on Palm Beach. I moved on her, and I failed. I’ll admit it. Admission that he made an unwanted advance.

Unknown: Whoa.

Trump: I did try and **** her. She was married. Admission

Unknown: That’s huge news.

Trump: No, no, Nancy. No, this was [unintelligible] — and I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. Admission that it was more than asking her out

She wanted to get some furniture. I said, “I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.” I took her out furniture I moved on her like a bitch. But I couldn’t get there. And she was married. Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look. Admission that he showed no respect or civility to her while making unwanted adance

Billy Bush: Sheesh, your girl’s hot as ****. In the purple.

Trump: Whoa! Whoa!

Bush: Yes! The Donald has scored. Whoa, my man!

[Crosstalk]

Trump: Look at you, you are a *****.

[Crosstalk]

Trump: All right, you and I will walk out.

[Silence]

Trump: Maybe it’s a different one.

Bush: It better not be the publicist. No, it’s, it’s her, it’s —

Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Admission it's normal for him, and he's done it before.

Bush: Whatever you want.

Trump: Grab ’em by the *****. You can do anything.
Details types of tactics he has employed before, specific enough to argue that it's a go to move.

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Have fun coming up with an argument that isn't one of the ones I told you, you would make.

ThoughtEx. said:

Fine, I want to see if you can think up something new I haven't heard before, as you are so insistent. Here's the transcript.



Have fun coming up with an argument that isn't one of the ones I told you, you would make.

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Oh you did even better then I thought. By acknowledging the tape's contents were about specific women, the two of them, Nancy O' Dell and Adrienne Zucker have not made allegations of sexual assault against Trump, with Zucker specifically denying it. So unless one or both changes their story then your allegation that he's admitted to sexual assault is wrong.

Case closed.

EMNofSeattle said:

Oh you did even better then I thought. By acknowledging the tape's contents were about specific women, the two of them, Nancy O' Dell and Adrienne Zucker have not made allegations of sexual assault against Trump, with Zucker specifically denying it. So unless one or both changes their story then your allegation that he's admitted to sexual assault is wrong.

Case closed.

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Straw man. Nice try. He admits to a pattern of behavior. As your original challenge was to prove that he has admitted to a pattern of behavior in a recording. In response to my claim that many women have come forward, and he has admitted to employing those tactics in a recording. You need to show that his statements are confined to just those women, and not a standard behavior.

Also, just because the specific person he is talking about before indicating his patterns, hasn't come forward. It does not make his admission of assaulting her any less true. Unless you can show me statements from the individual in question directly contradicting Trump's admissions.

Can you do that?

Case not closed. And I told you, you would make a strawman. Address the fact that, his comments indicate a pattern of behavior. Which is the premise that you challenged.

ThoughtEx. said:

Straw man. Nice try. He admits to a pattern of behavior. As your original challenge was to prove that he has admitted to a pattern of behavior in a recording. In response to my claim that many women have come forward, and he has admitted to employing those tactics in a recording. You need to show that his statements are confined to just those women, and not a standard behavior.

Also, just because the specific person he is talking about before indicating his patterns, hasn't come forward. It does not make his admission of assaulting her any less true. Unless you can show me statements from the individual in question directly contradicting Trump's admissions.

Can you do that?

Case not closed. And I told you, you would make a strawman. Address the fact that, his comments indicate a pattern of behavior. Which is the premise that you challenged.

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I think you're confused as to what a "straw man" argument is.

Statements made in regards to specific people are limited to those specific people, that's a function of language.
A statement made in regards to specific people cannot be applied generally, therefore the comments cannot indicate a pattern of behavior by themselves. They don't even indicate any behavior against the specific people since Arianne Zucker denies she was ever grabbed, by the ***** or elsewhere by Donald Trump

https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/05/opinions/access-hollywood-arianne-zucker-opinion/index.html

Also you have the language used, it's notable that when you posted the transcript you added opinions not backed up by any evidence, and highlighted acts that are not automatically illegal, but didn't highlight "They let you do it" since the term "let" basically, actually by definition, means permission or consent.

truthatallcost said:

Original reports about this case listed the Iraqi migrant's age as 14, but it turns out he was really 20. Other sources said Bashar was dating Susanna Feldman, which is confusing considering the age difference.

I cannot count the number of serious crimes committed against children and women in Germany since the Migrant Crisis was forced upon Europe, and especially Germany. Those who helped orchestrate the crisis need to take responsibility for it, since this act included supporting Islamic radicals in Syria in order to oust Assad, as well as the morally reprehensible war in Iraq. But unfortunately, children like Susanna Feldman are the ones paying the price, not the powerful politicians who plotted this scheme.

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If she were Christian, or Atheist would that have also been mentioned?

EMNofSeattle said:

I think you're confused as to what a "straw man" argument is.

Statements made in regards to specific people are limited to those specific people, that's a function of language.
A statement made in regards to specific people cannot be applied generally, therefore the comments cannot indicate a pattern of behavior by themselves. They don't even indicate any behavior against the specific people since Arianne Zucker denies she was ever grabbed, by the ***** or elsewhere by Donald Trump

https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/05/opinions/access-hollywood-arianne-zucker-opinion/index.html

Also you have the language used, it's notable that when you posted the transcript you added opinions not backed up by any evidence, and highlighted acts that are not automatically illegal, but didn't highlight "They let you do it" since the term "let" basically, actually by definition, means permission or consent.

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A straw man, is misrepresenting an argument to make it easier to beat premise, while failing to address the actual premise.

Which is what you've done here. As I have stated my premise, both before and after. And the only thing you have rebutted is your own misrepresentation of the premise. It is indeed a Straw Man.

Just like I told you, you would do.

Go to Trumpian tactic when anyone makes any statement that is true about Trump. A direct question asking for common knowledge. And then you strawman the response and take the conversation onto some stupid tangent.

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Making this a waste of time, just like I said it would be. Also I did call that your rebuttal would be there is no proof. And that is basically what you said. So. Called that to.

And as my main point was to prove to you, that I knew your argument. My point is proven.

ThoughtEx. said:

You stated you couldn't count how many women and children were harmed.

He asked how many. As if there are so many you couldn't count, you could at least count til you couldn't count anymore and give that number.

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Oh, thanks for that. Yes, the number really is too difficult to ascertain a scant 3 years after the migrant crisis began. For example, 1200 German women were sexually assaulted on one night alone by migrant men, December 31, 2015. The number of sexual assaults, rapes and murders in Germany which wouldn't have occurred if Merkel hadn't let 1M people in is too difficult a figure to know at present, but suffice to say, it's a lot. A German politician's daughter was even raped and murdered, so it's affected people from diverse backgrounds.

truthatallcost said:

Oh, thanks for that. Yes, the number really is too difficult to ascertain a scant 3 years after the migrant crisis began. For example, 1200 German women were sexually assaulted on one night alone by migrant men, December 31, 2015. The number of sexual assaults, rapes and murders in Germany which wouldn't have occurred if Merkel hadn't let 1M people in is too difficult a figure to know at present, but suffice to say, it's a lot. A German politician's daughter was even raped and murdered, so it's affected people from diverse backgrounds.

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Your example never happened. 3 women claimed rape that night in Cologne and one was a false accusation.

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PeteEU said:

Your example never happened. 3 women claimed rape that night in Cologne and one was a false accusation.

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Wow Pete, that's a low down attempt at distorting the truth.

"On 25 November 2016, a total of 1,616 crimes was reported for Cologne only. 509 of them were sexually motivated, among them 22 rapes.

On 8 January, the Federal Ministry of the Interior acknowledged that two-thirds of the suspects checked by the Federal Police—who are responsible for the railways and railway stations in Germany—in Cologne were asylum seekers. The same report stated that 31 suspects were identified by name, including 18 asylum seekers. In total, the suspects were nine Algerians, eight Moroccans, four Syrians, five Iranians, two Germans, an Iraqi, a Serb, and an American. Another report on the same day stated that stolen mobile phones were located by the police within or in the vicinity of refugees' residences. "

The New Years crime spree consisted of hundreds of sexual assaults, & many rapes, robberies, muggings, and physical violence, mostly carried out by men of Arabic and African descent against primarily Germans. You've nearly blotted this event out of your mind, which shouldn't surprise me at this point.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year's_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany

lefty louie said:

If she were Christian, or Atheist would that have also been mentioned?

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It was mentioned in most of the news articles I saw online. Apparently a majority of the journalists who covered the story for mainstream media felt it was significant enough to include in their articles.

truthatallcost said:

Wow Pete, that's a low down attempt at distorting the truth.

"On 25 November 2016, a total of 1,616 crimes was reported for Cologne only. 509 of them were sexually motivated, among them 22 rapes.

On 8 January, the Federal Ministry of the Interior acknowledged that two-thirds of the suspects checked by the Federal Police—who are responsible for the railways and railway stations in Germany—in Cologne were asylum seekers. The same report stated that 31 suspects were identified by name, including 18 asylum seekers. In total, the suspects were nine Algerians, eight Moroccans, four Syrians, five Iranians, two Germans, an Iraqi, a Serb, and an American. Another report on the same day stated that stolen mobile phones were located by the police within or in the vicinity of refugees' residences. "

The New Years crime spree consisted of hundreds of sexual assaults, & many rapes, robberies, muggings, and physical violence, mostly carried out by men of Arabic and African descent against primarily Germans. You've nearly blotted this event out of your mind, which shouldn't surprise me at this point.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year's_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany

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Okay..

1) Sexual assault in Germany is everything from rape to touching someones ass or so called "bird calling"..

2) A large amount of so called sexual assaults were committed in conjunction with a mugging or pick pocketing. The classic distraction job.. touch some ones ass, while someone else takes the wallet and phone. I have it happen to me once.. two good looking women come up to me, one tries to distract me by touching my arm and ass asking a "tourist" question, while the other picks my pocket.. luckily I knew what they were about and prevented them getting access to my jackets inner pocket so the only thing they got away with was the 2 euros 24 cents in my pocket.

Add to that the usual drunk crap happening at New Years.. and well.

3) As for the rape number... some were false accusations, others not but it was for the whole city not just around the train station... From what I remember, the actual rape number in the area of the problem was 3 and one being a false accusation. Many were also committed by non migrants. Sadly rapes happen when people are drunk and being festive.. Ever wonder how many rapes there are in New York or London during New Years?

Also reports since have concluded that there was no coordination between the groups of criminals... of which many were migrants but also many were Germans.