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Obama “allowed Russia to take Crimea”: Trump

Nobody should be surprised that Trump is parroting Russian propaganda. They own him.

Just for Trump's edification, most people in Ukraine can understand Russian.

There is also a blend (macaronic) of Ukrainian and Russian called Surzhyk that everyone understands and speaks.

Trump is an example of what happens when you don't read and lay around eating Big Mac's while watching Hannity.

A dumb fat ass.
 
Lafayette said:
The "dude" is a "dunce" ...
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Exactly...barack " shimmy " obama has created so much turmoil that our President and his Administration will take months to correct.
 
Lafayette said:
What Donald Dork knows about Foreign Affairs would fit a thimble.

Anyway, most it comes from watching Fox News at three o'clock in the morning.

The guy is hopeless. A TV phenomenon who lost the popular-vote for presidency but won the Electoral College vote.

Someone please explain how that happens in a "proper democracy", where all other political elections (state and national) are based uniquely on the popular-vote.

The Electoral College must be reorganized by law to simply report the winner of the popular-vote - where with gerrymandering voting districts is outlawed and private funding of elections limited to $1000 per individual per election ...
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Wrong Inspector Cousteau.
Our Electoral College makes the final analysis and calls it. Getting the "popular" vote like you Parisians doesn't make you a "proper" leader.
 
PTF said:
Wrong Inspector Cousteau.
Our Electoral College makes the final analysis and calls it. Getting the "popular" vote like you Parisians doesn't make you a "proper" leader.
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Congratulations on understanding what I wrote.

Btw, no developed country on earth except that of the US manipulates the electoral-vote with a so-called "electoral college".

The popular-vote is the ONLY basis for any democracy. If you can't understand that simple fact, neither can you have a functional democracy.

None, zilch, rien, nada, niente, nichts, zip, tipota ...
 
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Key word: A formal discussion where opinions are substantiated with logic and factual proof. Meaning there is no place for just sarcasm as rebuttal ...
 
SheWolf said:
~ I think Trump wants something from Putin to help Trump personally ~
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Most white nationalist groups in Europe and America admire or get funds / loans from Putin. Many of those same groups also admire or have been empowered by Trump so he has a lot to gain from taking pressure off Putin.
 
Lafayette said:
Congratulations on understanding what I wrote.

Btw, no developed country on earth except that of the US manipulates the electoral-vote with a so-called "electoral college".

The popular-vote is the ONLY basis for any democracy. If you can't understand that simple fact, neither can you have a functional democracy.

None, zilch, rien, nada, niente, nichts, zip, tipota ...
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---> " The popular-vote is the ONLY basis for any democracy. "

Queen wannabe Hilliary got the popular vote however not qualified to lead my country let alone being diplomatic. She made some hum dingers including the email scandals and constant lying. You don't want this girl dealing with your country now do ya ? America has chosen as Electoral college sees it and that's all.
 
barry's weakness allowed for many bad things globally.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.reuters.com/video/2018/...-crimea-trum?videoId=434389408&videoChannel=1

President Trump says his predecessor should be blamed for Russia's invasion of Crimea. He also reiterated his belief that Russia should be invited back to the elite G7 summit.

Trump has got a big problem with Obama. He's almost manic about it.

What was Obama supposed to do? Start a war with Russia in the Ukraine? That wouldn't have ended well. Trump is not a strategic thinker. He also has a tendency to run off at the mouth with whatever pops into his head.
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Many pres. cringe over sending any military into danger. I have a feeling, maybe Trump would start a war and like most pres. from the right more lately,
because they will simply NOT do any of the killing or dying.

Oh, and Trump's ego is so fragile that he needs to berate somebody almost every day. Obama is just a very handy target.
 
Amelia said:
You know nothing!

Russia couldn't help themselves. They just saw Ukrainian ***** and grabbed it. Not their fault.

And that little interfering in the election thing? That was nothing compared to how mean Jimmy Kimmel has been to Trump. Grow up already. Let Russia back into the club.
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Is it time to admit that they are ALL corrupt, Putin is just better and richer at it since he could steal virtually a whole country ?

So the new and improved G8 can all be confirmed murderers, authoritarians, thieves and if they are nice to Putin, they too could get a good T-time in Crimea.
 
Crimea provides a key strategic, natural, deep water harbour which Russia could never let fall into the hands of a pro Western Ukraine. From Crimea, Russia is able to control the Black Sea, and without it Russia's whole Caucasus region would be vulnerable. Apart from that, you have the incontrovertible fact that most Crimeans are ethnic Russian, and that the region hosts historically symbolic cities such as Sevastopol.

Putin himself has said very clearly that, in the action to ensure the safety of Crimea, Russia put its nuclear forces on high alert and signalled to the US (through the deliberately visible deployment of anti ship systems) that it would not tolerate any opposition.

So no, I don't think Obama 'allowed' Russia to take Crimea. Russia already had Crimea, and I believe would have gone to war over it such is its strategic significance. Russia had the advantage of escalation dominance, and both the US and Russia knew this. In other words, Crimean matters so much more to Russia than it does to the US. Trump talks fast and loose, and Obama had the sense not to risk engaging a state capable of turning the US cities into radioactive rubble in a shooting war in Russia's backyard over a state most Americans had never heard of.
 
PTF said:
---> " The popular-vote is the ONLY basis for any democracy. "

Queen wannabe Hilliary got the popular vote however not qualified to lead my country let alone being diplomatic. She made some hum dingers including the email scandals and constant lying.
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She won the popular- vote, like it or not.

She did not become PotUS because of an antiquated 12th Amendment passed in 1812 when America had not faintest idea of "voting fairness". The Electoral College is unfair distorts the popular-vote, which is the only method of voting in the US for any political office in the nation - other than that of the presidency.

Which is why it should be done-away with. But, it is inscribed within the constitution - so it cannot be.

However, the constitution does not say anything about how the Electoral College is constructed, and Congress could pass a law insisting that the EC-vote be dependent directly upon the popular-vote as consolidated state-by-state for the entire nation ...
 
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Peter King said:
And he was pretty much right, Bush got a decent economy and no wars from Clinton, Bush got the US into 2 wars and a big financial mess, no wonder Obama talked about the mess Bush left.

But Obama did not leave a mess, the economy was already improving, unemployment was falling and things were on the up.

The issue is that Trump hated that Kenian intruder into the WH and has been doing his utmost to erase him from the books in the US, something Obama clearly did not do with Bush.
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This quote tells it all about how well Obama did:

Romney vows to lower unemployment rate to 6 percent by end of first term
By the end of what would have been the end of Romney's first term, Obama had UE down to 4.7%.
 
Pedestrian said:
Putin is just better and richer at it since he could steal virtually a whole country ?
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He's definitely smarter. Or should that be "more clever"?

He is extremely rich, but in Russia you must declare your income in order to run for office. So, it is his daughter that is managing the riches. She and her (ex?) husband bought a very, very expensive winery in Bordeaux ...
 
itsforthekids said:
barry's weakness allowed for many bad things globally.
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More one-liner nonsense from the "Bump-it with a Trump-it" crowd ...

Name just ONE of "Barry's" weaknesses. Come on, just one ...
 
Lafayette said:
She won the popular- vote, like it or not.

She did not become PotUS because of an antiquated 12th Amendment passed in 1812 when America had not faintest idea of "voting fairness". The Electoral College is unfair distorts the popular-vote, which is the only method of voting in the US for any political office in the nation - other than that of the presidency.

Which is why it should be done-away with. But, it is inscribed within the constitution - so it cannot be.

However, the constitution does not say anything about how the Electoral College is constructed, and Congress could pass a law insisting that the EC-vote be dependent directly upon the popular-vote as consolidated state-by-state for the entire nation ...
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Pop vote isn't going to count and it never will. The Electoral College rules. The right man is in the Oval office,President Donald Trump. Your country must accept it and be diplomatic. What our President says...goes.
 
Lafayette said:
More one-liner nonsense from the "Bump-it with a Trump-it" crowd ...

Name just ONE of "Barry's" weaknesses. Come on, just one ...
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He is weak. He's a socialist. He's not American in spirit. He isn't real bright. He never had a real job. He never built anything. Shall I continue?
 
nota bene said:
Okay, what could be described as a “squeamish approach to foreign relations.”
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And others would call mutual-respect. His relations with Europe were above board.

And who is America's FIRST trading partner, after China? One guess ...
 
PRIME EVIDENCE

PTF said:
Pop vote isn't going to count and it never will. The Electoral College rules. The right man is in the Oval office,President Donald Trump. Your country must accept it and be diplomatic. What our President says...goes.
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Not your world, because your-world is on some other planet.

It does well enough in all developed democracies on earth.

The US was a democracy created at the turn of the 18th century, with the neophyte political views that existed then.

It has not evolved to a higher level - and an Electoral College that warps the popular-vote is PRIME EVIDENCE of a failed democracy.

Those who do not recognize the factual evidence are blind to reality ...

PTF said:
What our President says...goes.
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Bollocks!

You've apparently never heard of the separation of powers between the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of governance. Which was a the key characteristic in the formation of "democracies". And evidence is plenty in the US that this central-characteristic is warped by one party controlling ALL THE ELEMENTS at present.

Go take a course in Civics, because you need one ...
 
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I dont go with Trump here except that Russia demanded and deserved a global hearing on the Crimea situation but Lead by Obama Europe and America decided to tell Russia to sit down and shut up, the lines on the globe are done changing they decided, with zero consent from the people.

This was neither just nor right, Russia has cause to be upset here and many other places, due to poor behavior of people who are not Russian.

Obama more than anyone else except Putin and Khrushchev is the cause of the problem.
 
itsforthekids said:
He is weak. He's a socialist. He's not American in spirit. He isn't real bright. He never had a real job. He never built anything. Shall I continue?
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Thank your for our daily-dose of sarcastic unsubstantiated NAME-CALLING ...
 
Lafayette said:
PRIME EVIDENCE




Not your world, because your-world is on some other planet.

It does well enough in all developed democracies on earth.

The US was a democracy created at the turn of the 18th century, with the neophyte political views that existed then.

It has not evolved to a higher level - and an Electoral College that warps the popular-vote is PRIME EVIDENCE of a failed democracy.

Those who do not recognize the factual evidence are blind to reality ...



Bollocks!

You've apparently never heard of the separation of powers between the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of governance. Which was a the key characteristic in the formation of "democracies". And evidence is plenty in the US that this central-characteristic is warped by one party controlling ALL THE ELEMENTS at present.

Go take a course in Civics, because you need one ...
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What you've posted doesn't matter. The choice had been made and there's nothing you or anyone else can do so deal with it.
You're making this out of a argument which there is none. Down the pike the "pop" vote will be no more.
 
I'm still puzzling over how it was ever in Obama's power to stop Russia 'taking' a region to already controlled.

I understand that from an insular US perspective it can appear that the US can control everything in the world, but it increasingly can't.

Whilst Obama can be criticised for many things, not being omnipotent is not one of them.
 
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