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Are We Seeing a German Meltdown?

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Well now. I think this may be too dramatic by half, but half is still worrisome. I admit to an increasing sense that we're launching into uncharted waters.

The Great German Meltdown
Victor Davis Hanson, Defining Ideas

Every 20 to 50 years in Germany, things start unraveling. Germans feel aggrieved. Ideas and movements gyrate wildly between far left and far right extremes. And the Germans finally find consensus in a sense of victimhood paradoxically expressed as national chauvinism. Germany’s neighbors in 1870, 1914, 1939—and increasingly in the present—usually bear the brunt of this national meltdown.
Germany is supposed to be the economic powerhouse of Europe, its financial leader, and its trusted and responsible political center. Often it plays those roles superbly. But recently, it’s been cracking up—in a way that is hauntingly familiar to its European neighbors. On mass immigration, it is beginning to terrify the nearby nations of Eastern Europe. On Brexit, it bullies the British. On finance, it alienates the southern Europeans. On Russia, it irks the Baltic States and makes the Scandinavians uneasy by doing business with the Russian energy interests. And on all matters American, it increasingly seems incensed.
Certainly, Germany has done some unbelievably strange things in the last ten years. In a fit of fear, after the Japanese Fukushima Daiichi nuclear reactor meltdown in 2011, and in a huff about climate change, Berlin more or less abruptly junked traditionally generated electrical power and opted for inefficient and unreliable “green” renewable wind and solar—despite the less than Mediterranean nature of its climate and warnings of the financial downside. The result is that electricity costs have climbed 50 percent in recent years and are among the most expensive in the developed world—and electricity itself is sometimes scarce. In response to shortfalls in power generation, the German energy industry for now is looking at solutions like coal-fired plants, buying nuclear-generated electricity from its neighbors, and cutting deals with Vladimir Putin for natural gas. In other words, Germany spiraled from the one extreme of green idealists to the other of dirty coal, while counting on others to export their electricity into Germany. . . .
 
The last "melt down" mentioned in the article is 79 years in the past, yet he still says Germany "melts down" every 20-50 years. His evidence for this world war level of melt down presently happening? Why, the Germans' love of green energy, of course! This guy is surprisingly even further off the rails than you, OP.
 
The last "melt down" mentioned in the article is 79 years in the past, yet he still says Germany "melts down" every 20-50 years. His evidence for this world war level of melt down presently happening? Why, the Germans' love of green energy, of course! This guy is surprisingly even further off the rails than you, OP.

[h=3]Victor Davis Hanson - Wikipedia[/h]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Davis_Hanson



Victor Davis Hanson (born September 5, 1953) is an American classicist, military historian, columnist, and farmer. He has been a commentator on modern and ...Early life, education and ... · ‎Writing · ‎Political views · ‎Race relations

Victor Davis Hanson (born September 5, 1953) is an American classicist, military historian, columnist, and farmer. He has been a commentator on modern and ancient warfare and contemporary politics for National Review, The Washington Times and other media outlets. He is a professor emeritus of classics at California State University, Fresno, and is currently the Martin and Illie Anderson Senior Fellow in classics and military history at Stanford University's Hoover Institution. He chairs the Hoover working group on Military History and Contemporary Conflict as well as being the general editor of the Hoover online journal, Strategika. He has been a visiting professor at Hillsdale College where he teaches an intensive course on world, ancient or military history in the autumn semester, as the Wayne and Marcia Buske Distinguished Fellow in History since 2004.[SUP][1][/SUP] Hanson is the author of Carnage and Culture: Landmark Battles in the Rise of Western Power (2001), a New York Times best-selling book.
Hanson was awarded the National Humanities Medal in 2007 by President George W. Bush, and was a presidential appointee in 2007–2008 on the American Battle Monuments Commission that oversees the cemeteries of and monuments of U.S. war dead abroad. Hanson is a student of current affairs, particularly regarding the U.S. in the Middle East, national defense issues and illegal immigration. He is also a fifth-generation farmer, growing almonds on a family farm in Selma, California, where he resides, and is a commentator on social trends related to farming and agrarianism. . . .

 
~ On Brexit, it bullies the British. ~

LOL.

We did that to ourselves. David Cameron tried getting Germany to bend the EU rules to suit us but the rules were pretty clear. Similarly since then, various scenarios have been put forward which require the EU to bend their club rules to fit a member that voted to leave.

That's not bullying, that's clarifying your own club rules to an errant member who is on their way out but demands privileges no other member gets.
 
LOL.

We did that to ourselves. David Cameron tried getting Germany to bend the EU rules to suit us but the rules were pretty clear. Similarly since then, various scenarios have been put forward which require the EU to bend their club rules to fit a member that voted to leave.

That's not bullying, that's clarifying your own club rules to an errant member who is on their way out but demands privileges no other member gets.

The club will likely dissolve in the next decade anyway.
 
The club will likely dissolve in the next decade anyway.

Have you read the list of predictions the Brexit people said would happen to the EU?

First German industry would march on Merkel's office and demand a deal for us, then France would vote Marine le Pen in, Wilders would be elected into power in the Netherlands and so on.

On the other hand, the Northern Ireland border looks like it will return and we could have British troops sat as targets on a huge and unenforceable border and the customs partnership or whatever is called will actually cost UK business approx £20 billion.

Other there to encourage sane countries to leave. Only thing that has worked against Merkel and Germany is her foolish ope door policy on migrants and that has had a horrible affect on national policies in different countries.

Try again Jack.
 
Have you read the list of predictions the Brexit people said would happen to the EU?

First German industry would march on Merkel's office and demand a deal for us, then France would vote Marine le Pen in, Wilders would be elected into power in the Netherlands and so on.

On the other hand, the Northern Ireland border looks like it will return and we could have British troops sat as targets on a huge and unenforceable border and the customs partnership or whatever is called will actually cost UK business approx £20 billion.

Other there to encourage sane countries to leave. Only thing that has worked against Merkel and Germany is her foolish ope door policy on migrants and that has had a horrible affect on national policies in different countries.

Try again Jack.

I don't have a dog in the fight and I hope the EU stays intact -- it's very convenient. But I doubt it can last. Brexit isn't really a problem for them, but Italy will be, and then a parade in central/eastern Europe.
 
[h=3]Victor Davis Hanson - Wikipedia[/h]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Davis_Hanson



Victor Davis Hanson (born September 5, 1953) is an American classicist, military historian, columnist, and farmer. He has been a commentator on modern and ...Early life, education and ... · ‎Writing · ‎Political views · ‎Race relations

Victor Davis Hanson (born September 5, 1953) is an American classicist, military historian, columnist, and farmer. He has been a commentator on modern and ancient warfare and contemporary politics for National Review, The Washington Times and other media outlets. He is a professor emeritus of classics at California State University, Fresno, and is currently the Martin and Illie Anderson Senior Fellow in classics and military history at Stanford University's Hoover Institution. He chairs the Hoover working group on Military History and Contemporary Conflict as well as being the general editor of the Hoover online journal, Strategika. He has been a visiting professor at Hillsdale College where he teaches an intensive course on world, ancient or military history in the autumn semester, as the Wayne and Marcia Buske Distinguished Fellow in History since 2004.[SUP][1][/SUP] Hanson is the author of Carnage and Culture: Landmark Battles in the Rise of Western Power (2001), a New York Times best-selling book.
Hanson was awarded the National Humanities Medal in 2007 by President George W. Bush, and was a presidential appointee in 2007–2008 on the American Battle Monuments Commission that oversees the cemeteries of and monuments of U.S. war dead abroad. Hanson is a student of current affairs, particularly regarding the U.S. in the Middle East, national defense issues and illegal immigration. He is also a fifth-generation farmer, growing almonds on a family farm in Selma, California, where he resides, and is a commentator on social trends related to farming and agrarianism. . . .


I see you have fallen in love with the intelligentsia. Suddenly credentials matter. To bad you only like regressionists. Germanys only mistake is that they were not privy to the might of the fossil fuel megalith. We ALL should be paying more for clean renewable energy. We are mortgaging our children's future by propping up fossil fuels for the obscene profits of largest monopolies on Earth.
 
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I see you have fallen in love with the intelligentsia. Suddenly credentials matter. To bad you only like regressionists.

Hmmm. One of my favorite climate scientists is the Chairman of the Raccah Institute for Physics at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and IBM Einstein Fellow at the Institute for Advanced Study. Politically he's a Euro-style Social Democrat.
 
Hmmm. One of my favorite climate scientists is the Chairman of the Raccah Institute for Physics at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and IBM Einstein Fellow at the Institute for Advanced Study. Politically he's a Euro-style Social Democrat.

Scientifically they are regressionists and it is not their politcal lean that attracts you. In science, regressionists are the Flat Earthers. :lol:
 
Scientifically they are regressionists and it is not their politcal lean that attracts you. In science, regressionists are the Flat Earthers. :lol:

You're right about one thing. What attracts me is his advocacy of the newer, bigger science of solar/GCR climate that will supplant the receding AGW paradigm.
 
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I know you're not intellectually capable of defending any of the idiotic **** you repost for us, but no amount of credential name dropping justifies or explains valuing green energy as a" melt down" of World War proportions. It was a stupid statement, which is probably why you posted it.
 
I know you're not intellectually capable of defending any of the idiotic **** you repost for us, but no amount of credential name dropping justifies or explains valuing green energy as a" melt down" of World War proportions. It was a stupid statement, which is probably why you posted it.
He's a PIBA.

Pseudo-intellectual, bull**** artist.
 
The last "melt down" mentioned in the article is 79 years in the past, yet he still says Germany "melts down" every 20-50 years. His evidence for this world war level of melt down presently happening? Why, the Germans' love of green energy, of course! This guy is surprisingly even further off the rails than you, OP.

Yeah...they kinda had a bit to recover from the last time.
 
Too dramatic by 75 percent.
And Germany will figure the green energy thing out, and soon.
Don't forget, one of the reasons electric prices went up is, someone has to pay for the installation of all that green infrastructure.
Once it's installed, and prices for panels, windmills and the like begins to drop, so do prices.
And, Germany might be anti-nuke but they're interested in thorium.
They've been watching developments in India intently, as well as contributing to the development themselves.

https://www.researchgate.net/post/Who_is_researching_Thorium_energy
 
Well now. I think this may be too dramatic by half, but half is still worrisome. I admit to an increasing sense that we're launching into uncharted waters.

The German government intentionally chose to throw its weight behind renewable energy knowing full well it'd be costly and "uncharted" territory. That's quintessentially German behavior.

That's why roughly why 25% of the country's economy is still comprised of manufacturing compared to the piddly 10-15% that most developed nations have. Those German companies were enabled by the German government's willingness to take risk and throw money into them.
 
The German government intentionally chose to throw its weight behind renewable energy knowing full well it'd be costly and "uncharted" territory. That's quintessentially German behavior.

That's why roughly why 25% of the country's economy is still comprised of manufacturing compared to the piddly 10-15% that most developed nations have. Those German companies were enabled by the German government's willingness to take risk and throw money into them.

To put this completely correct statement into perspective. The German company I work for has its own manufacturing lines where we produce all of our products in-house, 80+% of our power comes from the solar panels on our roofs and we're one of the top companies in our field world wide.

Caring about our workers, the environment and quality of our products is certainly the "melt down" Jackie boy was talking about.
 
To put this completely correct statement into perspective. The German company I work for has its own manufacturing lines where we produce all of our products in-house, 80+% of our power comes from the solar panels on our roofs and we're one of the top companies in our field world wide.

Caring about our workers, the environment and quality of our products is certainly the "melt down" Jackie boy was talking about.

Yes - most German companies are. Germany has a wealth of small, highly-specialized niche companies that are the single dominant leader in their respective industries.

https://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/for-qualified-professionals/working/mittelstand
 
Germany is just so weak now, its really sad, half of my ancestry are now cowards.
 
Switzerland isn't a member of the EU.

But still enjoys the benefits (despite screwing us over due to its tax haven status and not following the rules on immigration, as does Liechstenstein ) hence my point.
 
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