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Georgia accuses Russia of war crimes during 2008 conflict

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Georgia accuses Russia of war crimes during 2008 conflict

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The Russian bombing of towns and civilians in Georgia.

5/23/18

Georgia has accused Russia of war crimes, human rights violations and a “rampage” across its territory during the military conflict between the countries almost 10 years ago. In closing evidence before the European court of human rights in Strasbourg on Wednesday, the Georgian government said Moscow was guilty of multiple violations during the fighting in August 2008. Over five days, it said, Russian planes carried out more than 100 attacks on Georgian targets. The government said there was overwhelming proof that Russian bombs were dropped on civilian areas, killing and injuring innocent people. The evidence included witness statements, satellite footage, and video and phone intercepts. The government in Tbilisi said Russian troops poured into Georgia’s two breakaway provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia when the conflict erupted. Approximately 30,000 soldiers were deployed. Ben Emmerson QC, acting for Georgia, told a panel of judges – including a Georgian and a Russian representative – that Moscow’s control of these territories was part of a plan “years in the making”, and the goal was to “occupy as much territory as it could get away with”.

Before and after a ceasefire, Russian ground troops entered ethnic Georgian villages, Emmerson said, sealing off entrances and exits. Ossetian forces and other irregular soldiers then systematically burned down Georgian homes and entire villages, he said, adding that they carried out summary executions and threatened individuals with death if they refused to leave. Georgia took its claim to Strasbourg the day after the hostilities stopped. The long-running dispute – over what happened, and who was to blame for the war – reached its climax on Wednesday, when Russia and Georgia delivered their final speeches. The judges are expected to rule later this year. Their verdict could be consequential. In 2015, the Kremlin said it was on the brink of withdrawing from the court, which has found against the Russian state on numerous occasions. Emmerson told the judges: “It is an open secret that Russia has been lobbying in public and in private for a favorable outcome, mumbling dark threats that it will deratify the European convention on human rights and starve the court of funding if the case goes against it. “There is no middle ground in adjudicating this case. The evidence is all one way.”

Wherever the Russian military goes, horrific war crimes accompany them. Chechnya, Afghanistan, Georgia, Ukraine, and Syria.
 
Wherever the Russian military goes, horrific war crimes accompany them. Chechnya, Afghanistan, Georgia, Ukraine, and Syria.

people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Normandy 1944 mass rapes of local french women, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria i could go on with the numerous support of butchers/dictators america has propped up since 1945

as for Georgia and Ukraine you incited Georgia to invade South Ossetia the georgians killed dozens of Russian UN peace keepers so the georgians are far from innocents, and for Ukraine you toppled their democratically elected president with the help of neo nazi vermin, no one has yet to be punished for the massacres in Odessa and Mariupol the main cause of the civil war along with the banning of the Russian language
 
people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Normandy 1944 mass rapes of local french women, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria i could go on with the numerous support of butchers/dictators america has propped up since 1945

as for Georgia and Ukraine you incited Georgia to invade South Ossetia the georgians killed dozens of Russian UN peace keepers so the georgians are far from innocents, and for Ukraine you toppled their democratically elected president with the help of neo nazi vermin, no one has yet to be punished for the massacres in Odessa and Mariupol the main cause of the civil war along with the banning of the Russian language

Putin and Assad have perfected the ugly arts of bombing hospitals, schools, and clinics with barrel bombs and incendiary munitions.
 
Putin and Assad have perfected the ugly arts of bombing hospitals, schools, and clinics with barrel bombs and incendiary munitions.

i give you Raqqa and Mosul two cities raised to the ground by the USA ... so bad was the devastation of the two cities the west MSM does not show the devastation brought by the USA
 
i give you Raqqa and Mosul two cities raised to the ground by the USA ... so bad was the devastation of the two cities the west MSM does not show the devastation brought by the USA

The civilians of Mosul evacuated. On the other hand, Hama, Idlib, Aleppo, and Homs were packed with civilians as the Russian/Assad bombs rained down.
 
people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Normandy 1944 mass rapes of local french women, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria i could go on with the numerous support of butchers/dictators america has propped up since 1945

as for Georgia and Ukraine you incited Georgia to invade South Ossetia the georgians killed dozens of Russian UN peace keepers so the georgians are far from innocents, and for Ukraine you toppled their democratically elected president with the help of neo nazi vermin, no one has yet to be punished for the massacres in Odessa and Mariupol the main cause of the civil war along with the banning of the Russian language

I bolded the Hyperbole....

The US also prosecuted rapists. 29 were executed for their rapes. Ask yourself how many Soviets were charged with rape as they stormed Germany and specifically Berlin.

How did "we" incite Georgia to invade South Ossetia?

And didn't the South Ossetians destroy most ethnic Georgian villages in South Ossetia and were responsible for an ethnic cleansing of Georgians?

And Russian UN peacekeepers? Really? UN Peacekeepers are usually drawn from uninvolved countries. The European Union commission could not confirm the claimed attack on ANY Russian peacekeepers.
 
i give you Raqqa and Mosul two cities raised to the ground by the USA ... so bad was the devastation of the two cities the west MSM does not show the devastation brought by the USA

Why lie?

Destruction of Raqqa: How American neglect imperils the victory over ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...andoned-and-forgotten/?utm_term=.bce08117b85b
Apr 19, 2018 - The destruction of Raqqa and its slow recovery are contributing to a growing sentiment here that the United States wrecked the city but is ...

Oct 20, 2017 - Drone footage from Raqqa, Syria, shows the destruction caused by weeks of fighting between Kurdish-led forces and ISIS and thousands of ...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-raqqa-devastation-give-you-chills/783748001/

'Mosul Is Completely Destroyed' - The Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/07/mosul-iraq-abadi-isis-corruption/533067/
Jul 10, 2017 - Though the devastation of Mosul wasn't nearly as complete as that of Ramadi, the volume of reconstruction is likely greater: Several Mosul ...
 
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War crimes are only for Third World country leaders. Russia, US, etc. are always exempt.
 
Georgia accuses Russia of war crimes during 2008 conflict

georgia1_1454791ijf.jpg

The Russian bombing of towns and civilians in Georgia.



Wherever the Russian military goes, horrific war crimes accompany them. Chechnya, Afghanistan, Georgia, Ukraine, and Syria.

Why is it Americans think because we believe in the Geneva Convention, everyone else does, too. War among Anglo-Christian nations might be expected to follow those rules, while every other race ignores them.

That doesn’t make it right, but under the pressures and hatred of war, **** happens.
 
I bolded the Hyperbole....

The US also prosecuted rapists. 29 were executed for their rapes. Ask yourself how many Soviets were charged with rape as they stormed Germany and specifically Berlin.

How did "we" incite Georgia to invade South Ossetia?

And didn't the South Ossetians destroy most ethnic Georgian villages in South Ossetia and were responsible for an ethnic cleansing of Georgians?

And Russian UN peacekeepers? Really? UN Peacekeepers are usually drawn from uninvolved countries. The European Union commission could not confirm the claimed attack on ANY Russian peacekeepers.

yes they kicked the Georgians out after their invasion of South Ossetia ... America's interest is Georgiea centred around the the BTC (Baku-Tbilisi-Ceylan) oil pipeline which bypassed both Russia and Iran

as for America's involvement https://fpif.org/us_role_in_georgia_crisis/ ... this site criticises both sides

Russian peacekeepers were sanctioned by the UN


{QUOTE]Lead-up to the Current Crisis
A number of misguided U.S. policies appear to have played an important role in encouraging Georgia to launch its August 6 assault on South Ossetia.

The first had to do with the U.S.-led militarization of Georgia, which likely emboldened Saakashvili to try to resolve the conflict over South Ossetia by military means. Just last month, the United States held a military exercise in Georgia with more than 1,000 American troops while the Bush administration, according to The New York Times, was “loudly proclaiming its support for Georgia’s territorial integrity in the battle with Russia over Georgia’s separatist enclaves.” As the situation was deteriorating last month, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice made a high-profile visit to Saakashvili in Tbilisi, where she reiterated the strong strategic relationship between the two countries.

Radio Liberty speculates that Saakashvili “may have felt that his military, after several years of U.S.-sponsored training and rearmament, was now capable of routing the Ossetian separatists (“bandits,” in the official parlance) and neutralizing the Russian peacekeepers.” Furthermore, Saakashvili apparently hoped that the anticipated Russian reaction would “immediately transform the conflict into a direct confrontation between a democratic David and an autocratic Goliath, making sure the sympathy of the Western world would be mobilized for Georgia.”

According to Charles Kupchan of the Council on Foreign Relations, the United States may have caused Saakashvili to “miscalculate” and “overreach” by making him feel that “at the end of the day that the West would come to his assistance if he got into trouble.”

Another factor undoubtedly involved the U.S. push for Georgia to join NATO. The efforts by some prominent Kremlin lawmakers for formal recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia coincided with the escalated efforts for NATO’s inclusion of Georgia this spring, as well as an awareness that any potential Russian military move against Georgia would need to come sooner rather than later.

And, as a number of us predicted last March, Western support for the unilateral declaration of independence by the autonomous Serbian region of Kosovo emboldened nationalist leaders in the autonomous Georgian regions, along with their Russian supporters, to press for the independence of these nations as well. Despite the pro-American sympathies of many in that country, Georgians were notably alarmed by the quick and precedent-setting U.S. recognition of Kosovo.[/QUOTE]
 
The civilians of Mosul evacuated. On the other hand, Hama, Idlib, Aleppo, and Homs were packed with civilians as the Russian/Assad bombs rained down.

the civilians were not allowed to leave those cities due to the US backed terrorists refusing to allow them to leave was Russia and Assad just to let those US backed proxies continue to control the territory ??? ... i notice you never mentioned Raqqa
 
yes they kicked the Georgians out after their invasion of South Ossetia ... America's interest is Georgiea centred around the the BTC (Baku-Tbilisi-Ceylan) oil pipeline which bypassed both Russia and Iran

as for America's involvement https://fpif.org/us_role_in_georgia_crisis/ ... this site criticises both sides

Russian peacekeepers were sanctioned by the UN


{QUOTE]Lead-up to the Current Crisis
A number of misguided U.S. policies appear to have played an important role in encouraging Georgia to launch its August 6 assault on South Ossetia.

The first had to do with the U.S.-led militarization of Georgia, which likely emboldened Saakashvili to try to resolve the conflict over South Ossetia by military means. Just last month, the United States held a military exercise in Georgia with more than 1,000 American troops while the Bush administration, according to The New York Times, was “loudly proclaiming its support for Georgia’s territorial integrity in the battle with Russia over Georgia’s separatist enclaves.” As the situation was deteriorating last month, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice made a high-profile visit to Saakashvili in Tbilisi, where she reiterated the strong strategic relationship between the two countries.

Radio Liberty speculates that Saakashvili “may have felt that his military, after several years of U.S.-sponsored training and rearmament, was now capable of routing the Ossetian separatists (“bandits,” in the official parlance) and neutralizing the Russian peacekeepers.” Furthermore, Saakashvili apparently hoped that the anticipated Russian reaction would “immediately transform the conflict into a direct confrontation between a democratic David and an autocratic Goliath, making sure the sympathy of the Western world would be mobilized for Georgia.”

According to Charles Kupchan of the Council on Foreign Relations, the United States may have caused Saakashvili to “miscalculate” and “overreach” by making him feel that “at the end of the day that the West would come to his assistance if he got into trouble.”

Another factor undoubtedly involved the U.S. push for Georgia to join NATO. The efforts by some prominent Kremlin lawmakers for formal recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia coincided with the escalated efforts for NATO’s inclusion of Georgia this spring, as well as an awareness that any potential Russian military move against Georgia would need to come sooner rather than later.

And, as a number of us predicted last March, Western support for the unilateral declaration of independence by the autonomous Serbian region of Kosovo emboldened nationalist leaders in the autonomous Georgian regions, along with their Russian supporters, to press for the independence of these nations as well. Despite the pro-American sympathies of many in that country, Georgians were notably alarmed by the quick and precedent-setting U.S. recognition of Kosovo.

So you approve of ethnic cleansing?
 
the civilians were not allowed to leave those cities due to the US backed terrorists refusing to allow them to leave was Russia and Assad just to let those US backed proxies continue to control the territory ??? ... i notice you never mentioned Raqqa

Bull****... Pure, unadulterated bull****.
 
What even is a war crime? War is automatically a crime against humanity that should be minimized as much as possible.
 
people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Normandy 1944 mass rapes of local french women, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria i could go on with the numerous support of butchers/dictators america has propped up since 1945

as for Georgia and Ukraine you incited Georgia to invade South Ossetia the georgians killed dozens of Russian UN peace keepers so the georgians are far from innocents, and for Ukraine you toppled their democratically elected president with the help of neo nazi vermin, no one has yet to be punished for the massacres in Odessa and Mariupol the main cause of the civil war along with the banning of the Russian language

The irony of a Russian fanboy making a hysterical claim that US forces engaged in “mass rape” in Normandy when Russian forces basically raped their way from East Prussia to Berlin, and behaved so abominably elsewhere that even their supposed “allies” (for example, Tito told them to get the **** out of the small area of Yugoslavia they had taken because the Red Army acted so horrifically) were appalled.

Yes, we all know that you thinking the numerous actual war crimes of the Viet Cong and NVA are no big deal; that the Taliban were “just misunderstood” or some crap; not to mention whining about the overthrow of Saddam who gassed his own people and Gaddafi, who not only armed every terrorist under the sun but also launched attacks in the West.

As for the rest o suggest you stop living in the fantasy world of RT.
 
Really? So why hasnt Kissinger or Dubya been indicted yet?

I know right? Bombing the Khmer Rouge and toppling Saddam were both sooooo horrific :roll:
 
Why is it Americans think because we believe in the Geneva Convention, everyone else does, too. War among Anglo-Christian nations might be expected to follow those rules, while every other race ignores them.

That doesn’t make it right, but under the pressures and hatred of war, **** happens.

Oh look, racial and religious bigotry all wrapped up together. Nations follow the Geneva Convention when it suits them. Race and religion have nothing to do with that.
 
You stated war crimes are only for Third World...

That is incorrect.

I am spot on. I said war crimes only apply for 3rd world leaders. What part of that did you not get?
 
The irony of a Russian fanboy making a hysterical claim that US forces engaged in “mass rape” in Normandy when Russian forces basically raped their way from East Prussia to Berlin, and behaved so abominably elsewhere that even their supposed “allies” (for example, Tito told them to get the **** out of the small area of Yugoslavia they had taken because the Red Army acted so horrifically) were appalled.

Yes, we all know that you thinking the numerous actual war crimes of the Viet Cong and NVA are no big deal; that the Taliban were “just misunderstood” or some crap; not to mention whining about the overthrow of Saddam who gassed his own people and Gaddafi, who not only armed every terrorist under the sun but also launched attacks in the West.

As for the rest o suggest you stop living in the fantasy world of RT.

war crimes in Vietnam lets see wiping out entire villages by US patrols, chemical weapons (agent orange) on large scale against civilians and their farm land farmland that is still polluted today not only did you use agent orange on Vietnam but also Vietnam's neighbour Loas

who armed and trained the Taliban and funded them ... the CIA

who sold Saddam the chemicals ?? and Donald Rumsfeld told the Iraqis how to deploy the chemicals and while we are on the middle east the US deposed two Iranian governments to impose their puppet the Shah who was a butcher that ended up with the ayatollahs ... you brought that on yourselves as well and then their was El Salvador you supported that dictatorship knowing fine well they were butchering their own people 250 - 500k because they claimed they were anti communist

back to the Soviet Union had America suffered nearly 30 million losses at the hands of their enemy an enemy that had labelled them sub human scum .... then America would punish them as well ... the japs you nuked
 
war crimes in Vietnam lets see wiping out entire villages by US patrols, chemical weapons (agent orange) on large scale against civilians and their farm land farmland that is still polluted today not only did you use agent orange on Vietnam but also Vietnam's neighbour Loas

who armed and trained the Taliban and funded them ... the CIA

who sold Saddam the chemicals ?? and Donald Rumsfeld told the Iraqis how to deploy the chemicals and while we are on the middle east the US deposed two Iranian governments to impose their puppet the Shah who was a butcher that ended up with the ayatollahs ... you brought that on yourselves as well and then their was El Salvador you supported that dictatorship knowing fine well they were butchering their own people 250 - 500k because they claimed they were anti communist

back to the Soviet Union had America suffered nearly 30 million losses at the hands of their enemy an enemy that had labelled them sub human scum .... then America would punish them as well ... the japs you nuked

Oh really? You mean like My Lai, when US troops held the ramping US troops at gunpoint to protect civilians? How many Russians tried to protect civilians during the state sanctioned rape fest towards Berlin?

Agent Orange is a defoliant. That’s much different than deliberately gassing civilians like your boy Assad has been doing.

Gee, if the North Vietnamese hadn’t decided to invade Laos, there wouldn’t have been any need to get involved there.

False; the Taliban are not the same as the Mujahideen. Learn some basic history.

Oh, you mean the incident where your beloved Russians were using the Tudeh to increasing prop up the Iranian goverment, leading to fears of a Soviet “invitation” to invade like they did across Eastern Europe and later in Afghanistan?

The rest of your post is just incoherent babbling. Maybe if Stalin hadn’t murdered so many of his own people the USSR would’ve been able to better resist Nazi Germany

The “Japs” we nuked.....what about them?
 
war crimes in Vietnam lets see wiping out entire villages by US patrols, chemical weapons (agent orange) on large scale against civilians and their farm land farmland that is still polluted today not only did you use agent orange on Vietnam but also Vietnam's neighbour Loas

who armed and trained the Taliban and funded them ... the CIA

who sold Saddam the chemicals ?? and Donald Rumsfeld told the Iraqis how to deploy the chemicals and while we are on the middle east the US deposed two Iranian governments to impose their puppet the Shah who was a butcher that ended up with the ayatollahs ... you brought that on yourselves as well and then their was El Salvador you supported that dictatorship knowing fine well they were butchering their own people 250 - 500k because they claimed they were anti communist

back to the Soviet Union had America suffered nearly 30 million losses at the hands of their enemy an enemy that had labelled them sub human scum .... then America would punish them as well ... the japs you nuked

Who sold Saddam the chemicals?

Check with the European guys. The French and Germans specifically.

The US did not transfer chemical precursors to Iraq.

Nor did Rumsfeld tell them how to deploy chemical weapons. That is ridiculous given Iraq had been using them on the Iranians prior to the Kurds....
 
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