Belgium- Muslim Political Party Seeks Islamic State- What Should be Done if Voters Agree?

truthatallcost · May 12, 2018

A political party in Belgium simply named "Islamic Party" is picking up steam. They've already gotten 4 candidates elected to public office, with 28 more to run in the coming municipal elections. Islamic Party's platform is described as seeking an Islamic State, with Sharia Law replacing Belgian law, and segregation of women from men, in some areas of society.

Islamic Party's aim is to create an Islamic State - and is hoping to win seats in Belgium's October municipal elections. Among its policies: it wants to separate men and women on public transport. The Islam Party - which also wants to bring in Sharia law - is focusing its efforts on conservative Muslims. Voters will ultimately decide on the fate of the Islam party in Belgium, which is home to more than 780-thousand Muslims.

Islam Party stirs controversy ahead of Belgian elections | Euronews

Belgium does not know how many Muslims live in the country, thanks to a Belgian law that prohibits the government from inquiring about the religious status of residents.

What should Belgium do if the Islamic Party wins election, and begins implementing Sharia Law & gender segregation in parts of Belgium?

VanceMack · May 12, 2018

Take it like men. Reap what you sow.

Aristaeus · May 12, 2018

Given that only 6% of Belgiums are Muslim and this party has no members of parliament, I don't think there's anything to worry about!

truthatallcost · May 12, 2018

VanceMack said:
Take it like men. Reap what you sow.

You know, unfortunately I think Belgians may do just that. The prospect of the capital of the EU going Islamic State should wake us all up however.

truthatallcost · May 12, 2018

Aristaeus said:
Given that only 6% of Belgiums are Muslim and this party has no members of parliament, I don't think there's anything to worry about!

Read what the bigger picture illustrates here; Muslims are not happy in this modern EU country, and are rejecting European culture to the extent of demanding an Islamic State in Belgium.

'Don't worry about it!!'....yeah, how long will oblivious Europeans continue to embrace such an uncaring attitude towards their future?

Aristaeus · May 12, 2018

truthatallcost said:
Read what the bigger picture illustrates here; Muslims are not happy in this modern EU country, and are rejecting European culture to the extent of demanding an Islamic State in Belgium.

'Don't worry about it!!'....yeah, how long will oblivious Europeans continue to embrace such an uncaring attitude towards their future?

No, a tiny fraction are. Muslims make up 6% of the population and a small percentage of those 6% voted for this party, so do explain how they are going to win power?

And no, I'm not going to worry about a party which is probably polling at less than 1% and couldn't enact sharia law while in the EU.

Masterhawk · May 12, 2018

Does Belgium have a constitution which can prevent shariah law from becoming a reality?

RabidAlpaca · May 12, 2018

Masterhawk said:
Does Belgium have a constitution which can prevent shariah law from becoming a reality?

Yes, they have a Constitution that prevents that and so would EU laws. Truthatallcost is a serial exaggerator and outright emotional liar on all topics involving Islam.

On another note: Christians in the US are constantly voting for hard right religious zealots and demand that Christian biblical law be enforced by the US government. It is no different than a sharia party. Religious nuts need to keep their fingers out of our politics and respect the Constitution.

ecofarm · May 12, 2018

Sharia Law meaning limited jurisdiction voluntary arbitration subject to appeal (Western world), or head chopping?

truthatallcost said:
You know, unfortunately I think Belgians may do just that. The prospect of the capital of the EU going Islamic State should wake us all up however.

:lamo

Abbazorkzog · May 12, 2018

RabidAlpaca said:
On another note: Christians in the US are constantly voting for hard right religious zealots and demand that Christian biblical law be enforced by the US government. It is no different than a sharia party. Religious nuts need to keep their fingers out of our politics and respect the Constitution.

I did notice how his other thread was about "da Joooos" but now this one is "da Moooooslims!!!!1", does he ever post anything about White Supremacists or Ultranationalist extremists in Christian-majority countries. No, just small Muslim populations, like this one...

Peter King · May 12, 2018

truthatallcost said:
A political party in Belgium simply named "Islamic Party" is picking up steam. They've already gotten 4 candidates elected to public office, with 28 more to run in the coming municipal elections. Islamic Party's platform is described as seeking an Islamic State, with Sharia Law replacing Belgian law, and segregation of women from men, in some areas of society.

Belgium does not know how many Muslims live in the country, thanks to a Belgian law that prohibits the government from inquiring about the religious status of residents.

What should Belgium do if the Islamic Party wins election, and begins implementing Sharia Law & gender segregation in parts of Belgium?

They won't win. They are a small party that only has 2 elected members in local councils. They tried to get three but their party leader did not get enough votes to get elected.

On the national level they reached about 1.7% in the French speaking region of Belgium. Far below the 5% minimum votes before you can get a seat in the French Belgian Parliament.

And they only have 2 elected members, not 4 people elected. They want to segregate men and women in public transport, but that supposedly has no religious reason but a women safety reason. The party leader is a bus driver and has a lot of complaints of women that men cannot keep their hands to themselves. By having separate sections for men and women he wants to end that problem for women. I don't completely believe him in this area but as I do not have proof of the opposite, I am stuck with that.

They also want to have sharia installed but not violate the Belgian constitution, two things that are totally at odds with one another.

All in all just a bunch of nutters. There are only a handful of Muslims (percentages) in Belgium and in no way will there be a Muslim majority in 12 years as the party leader proclaims. Just an idiot pure and simple.

Peter King · May 12, 2018

truthatallcost said:
You know, unfortunately I think Belgians may do just that. The prospect of the capital of the EU going Islamic State should wake us all up however.

Except that is not going to happen. Their party leader in Brussels, a city with a larger contingent of Muslims, over 20% in some districts of the city/area, only got 2.9% of the votes, not enough to get elected. So the capital of Brussels going Islamic state is not really believable. Also, no district can proclaim itself Islamic State.

Peter King · May 12, 2018

truthatallcost said:
Read what the bigger picture illustrates here; Muslims are not happy in this modern EU country, and are rejecting European culture to the extent of demanding an Islamic State in Belgium.

'Don't worry about it!!'....yeah, how long will oblivious Europeans continue to embrace such an uncaring attitude towards their future?

We care about our future, but our future is going to be dependent on economic progress and spreading of wealth to every part of the population. Not about unduly stressing about things that are never going to happen (aka a muslim majority, sharia law, etc.etc.etc.).

And so what there are some conservative people in the Muslim community, those individuals also live in the Christian community. Should I ban their ideas too?

truthatallcost · May 12, 2018

ecofarm said:
Sharia Law meaning limited jurisdiction voluntary arbitration subject to appeal (Western world), or head chopping?

The former until they gain sufficient numbers through demographic change/birthrate disparities, & the latter beyond that point.

truthatallcost · May 12, 2018

Peter King said:
Except that is not going to happen. Their party leader in Brussels, a city with a larger contingent of Muslims, over 20% in some districts of the city/area, only got 2.9% of the votes, not enough to get elected. So the capital of Brussels going Islamic state is not really believable. Also, no district can proclaim itself Islamic State.

Almost 10 years ago now, over 20% of the Brussels regional parliament was comprised of Muslims.

In 2009, Muslims occupied 19 out of the 89 seats in Brussels Regional Parliament.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Belgium

They're mostly left leaning for now, but that will change. The only real political platform for practicing Muslims is the Koran. They know that left leaning parties like the socialists will help weaken society faster, so they'll be socialists for the time being, which will help them drive their population numbers up & get them into positions of power. The Islamic State will come much later, after socialism and secularism has ridden the country of any deterrents to Sharia.

RabidAlpaca · May 12, 2018

truthatallcost said:
The former until they gain sufficient numbers through demographic change/birthrate disparities, & the latter beyond that point.

Based on all of your postings, you spend an exorbitant amount of time worrying and stressing about brown people "replacing" white people.

truthatallcost said:
Almost 10 years ago now, over 20% of the Brussels regional parliament was comprised of Muslims.

In 2009, Muslims occupied 19 out of the 89 seats in Brussels Regional Parliament.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Belgium
They're mostly left leaning for now, but that will change. The only real political platform for practicing Muslims is the Koran. They know that left leaning parties like the socialists will help weaken society faster, so they'll be socialists for the time being, which will help them drive their population numbers up & get them into positions of power. The Islamic State will come much later, after socialism and secularism has ridden the country of any deterrents to Sharia.

If you're really worried about religious influence in politics, why aren't you decrying the religious christian zealots in your own country? You don't seem to have 1/100th the worry about them that you do of muslims in a country separated by an ocean from you. Remember when you and I talked about being consistent? You should call ALL politicians out for lying, not just the Democrats. Likewise, you should call ALL religious zealots out and not just the Muslims and Jews.

truthatallcost · May 12, 2018

Peter King said:
They won't win. They are a small party that only has 2 elected members in local councils. They tried to get three but their party leader did not get enough votes to get elected.

On the national level they reached about 1.7% in the French speaking region of Belgium. Far below the 5% minimum votes before you can get a seat in the French Belgian Parliament.

And they only have 2 elected members, not 4 people elected. They want to segregate men and women in public transport, but that supposedly has no religious reason but a women safety reason. The party leader is a bus driver and has a lot of complaints of women that men cannot keep their hands to themselves. By having separate sections for men and women he wants to end that problem for women. I don't completely believe him in this area but as I do not have proof of the opposite, I am stuck with that.

They also want to have sharia installed but not violate the Belgian constitution, two things that are totally at odds with one another.

All in all just a bunch of nutters. There are only a handful of Muslims (percentages) in Belgium and in no way will there be a Muslim majority in 12 years as the party leader proclaims. Just an idiot pure and simple.

Well thank you for your informed post here Peter. I wish I could be as optimistic about this as you, but seeing the effects that this religion has had nearly everywhere it's gone in great numbers in the world, I'm skeptical that Belgium well truly integrate ever growing numbers of Muslims without an eventual break in society, where Muslims demand their own separate system to replace Belgian law. I think Europe is admitting the wolves to live amongst the sheep, and is utterly blind as to what their future holds for them.

RabidAlpaca · May 12, 2018

truthatallcost said:
Well thank you for your informed post here Peter. I wish I could be as optimistic about this as you, but seeing the effects that this religion has had nearly everywhere it's gone in great numbers in the world, I'm skeptical that Belgium well truly integrate ever growing numbers of Muslims without an eventual break in society, where Muslims demand their own separate system to replace Belgian law. I think Europe is admitting the wolves to live amongst the sheep, and is utterly blind as to what their future holds for them.

FYI when you refer to over 1 billion human beings as "wolves" based solely on their religion, you're a bigot.

ecofarm · May 12, 2018

truthatallcost said:
The former until they gain sufficient numbers through demographic change/birthrate disparities, & the latter beyond that point.

So the Sharia law they want is like that of Western countries, just arbitration on some voluntary stuff? We have plenty of arbitration already, it's not a big deal.

truthatallcost · May 12, 2018

RabidAlpaca said:
Based on all of your postings, you spend an exorbitant amount of time worrying and stressing about brown people "replacing" white people.

Based upon your white flight from America, I'd tend to think you've done the same at some point.

If you're really worried about religious influence in politics, why aren't you decrying the religious christian zealots in your own country?

Who should I decry? The 30 members of the Westboro Baptist Church of Kansas? OK...I decry them.

You don't seem to have 1/100th the worry about them that you do of muslims in a country separated by an ocean from you.

Christians in the West are in a 30-40 year trend of secularizing and living largely irregelious lives. I think you know this to be true. How many Christian fundamentalists are there in Germany at present? Practically none would be my guess.

Remember when you and I talked about being consistent? You should call ALL politicians out for lying, not just the Democrats. Likewise, you should call ALL religious zealots out and not just the Muslims and Jews.

When have I ever decried religious Jews? That's a fabrication. Revisionist Zionists are not religious Jews in the least. They are driven by racial/ethnic identity, not religion.

RabidAlpaca · May 12, 2018

truthatallcost said:
Based upon your white flight from America, I'd tend to think you've done the same at some point.

Who should I decry? The 30 members of the Westboro Baptist Church of Kansas? OK...I decry them.

Christians in the West are in a 30-40 year trend of secularizing and living largely irregelious lives. I think you know this to be true. How many Christian fundamentalists are there in Germany at present? Practically none would be my guess.

When have I ever decried religious Jews? That's a fabrication. Revisionist Zionists are not religious Jews in the least. They are driven by racial/ethnic identity, not religion.

Wait, is Europe a Muslim overrun dystopia or is it a pure white society? You can't have both. If we start talking about how much lower crime is in the EU, you say it's because of how homogenously white they are, but if we're talking about anything else you're telling us "them evil Muslims" are taking over and there are barely any white people left after being replaced by the horde.

No, to be consistent you should decry the politicians that believe the US should be governed by biblical law. This is no different from politicians advocating shariah law. You're more concerned about something that won't happen in another country, than you are about something happening right now in your own country.

VanceMack · May 12, 2018

Considering the rate of immigration and birth rates of Muslims vs Europeans, its only a matter of time. Also...the current state shows that Muslims in Europe under 15 are at 27%, while Europeans under the age of 15 are 15%. They are migrating more, producing more children, and their future generations are by percentile stronger and healthier in numbers. By 2050, the UK stands to be 1/5th Muslim. France will be 12.7% Muslim. Belgium...18.2%. Austria...19.9%. Sweden...30.6%.

truthatallcost · May 12, 2018

Abbazorkzog said:
I did notice how his other thread was about "da Joooos" but now this one is "da Moooooslims!!!!1", does he ever post anything about White Supremacists or Ultranationalist extremists in Christian-majority countries. No, just small Muslim populations, like this one...

Alright dude, now you just sound stupid. I tried to go easy on you last night when you said that a Director of Mossad was a secret agent of Saudi Arabia posing for an Al Jazeera piece. That thread wasn't about 'da joos' and you know it wasn't. People who oppose Israeli foreign policy are not biased against 'da joos'. And considering that your lean is libertarian-left, what a hypocrite you are for siding with an ethno-facist state JUST BECAUSE they happen to have the same ethnicity as you.

Infinite Chaos · May 12, 2018

RabidAlpaca said:
Wait, is Europe a Muslim overrun dystopia or is it a pure white society? You can't have both. If we start talking about how much lower crime is in the EU, you say it's because of how homogenously white they are, but if we're talking about anything else you're telling us "them evil Muslims" are taking over and there are barely any white people left after being replaced by the horde ~

Noticed that too. Too funny.

truthatallcost · May 12, 2018

RabidAlpaca said:
Wait, is Europe a Muslim overrun dystopia or is it a pure white society? You can't have both.

I've said neither of those things. But, Indo-Europeans are Caucasian and have a unique culture and society that needs to be respected by newcomers. If they can't respect the culture of Europe, then they need to get the hell back to the places they came from, not try to change Europe into the hellhole they escaped from.

If we start talking about how much lower crime is in the EU, you say it's because of how homogenously white they are, but if we're talking about anything else you're telling us "them evil Muslims" are taking over and there are barely any white people left after being replaced by the horde.

Lie #2. I've cited Japan and other Asian countries with low crime/high homogeneity levels in nearly every thread that was about crime rates. You've conveniently forgotten about that now.

No, to be consistent you should decry the politicians that believe the US should be governed by biblical law. This is no different from politicians advocating shariah law. You're more concerned about something that won't happen in another country, than you are about something happening right now in your own country.

•Provide current American legislation that is based upon Biblical Law.

•Show me where the Biblical Law courts operate in the United States.

•Point me in the direction of the Christian Party which demands gender segregation in major American cities.

•Show me pictures of fundamentalist Christians holding holding signs that say "behead those that criticize Christianity".

*poof* the rabid alpaca disappears once again.

Belgium- Muslim Political Party Seeks Islamic State- What Should be Done if Voters Agree?

What Should Belgium do if the Islamic Party Wins Elections and implements Sharia Law

Nothing. Allow the Islamic Party to begin building an Islamic State in Belgium

Void all elections resulting in candidates winning who support disregarding Belgian laws

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