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Belgium- Muslim Political Party Seeks Islamic State- What Should be Done if Voters Agree?

What Should Belgium do if the Islamic Party Wins Elections and implements Sharia Law


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To all those right wing Americans in this thread.

We in Europe actually have Christian religious political parties that want to ban abortion, divorce and even the more radical ones want to take the vote away from women. However the support of these parties are so low, that they cant even get enough signatures to run for office and if they do, they dont get enough votes to get any representation.

We also have Muslim parties in some countries.. they dont get many votes if they are even able to get on the ballot paper.

The only countries in the EU with religion in politics are Ireland and Poland... both Catholic, not muslim. Both countries who have a very ****ty record on women's rights. Ireland is changing towards a more secular society, where as Poland is disintegrating into more conservative right wing religious crap.. so bad that even the Pope is shocked about it.

Oh and then we have the Swiss... a nation with a poor history on women's rights.. It is not long ago women even got the freaking vote in that country.. and what religion do the Swiss have?

One thing is for sure, religious based politics in Europe has been in heavy decline for over half a century and will not return, either via Muslims, Jews or Christians.. the huge majority in Europe of all faiths DO NOT WANT IT!
 
A political party in Belgium simply named "Islamic Party" is picking up steam. They've already gotten 4 candidates elected to public office, with 28 more to run in the coming municipal elections. Islamic Party's platform is described as seeking an Islamic State, with Sharia Law replacing Belgian law, and segregation of women from men, in some areas of society.



Belgium does not know how many Muslims live in the country, thanks to a Belgian law that prohibits the government from inquiring about the religious status of residents.

What should Belgium do if the Islamic Party wins election, and begins implementing Sharia Law & gender segregation in parts of Belgium?

Deporting conservative Muslims immediately is the best manner of approach.
 
To all those right wing Americans in this thread.

We in Europe actually have Christian religious political parties that want to ban abortion, divorce and even the more radical ones want to take the vote away from women. However the support of these parties are so low, that they cant even get enough signatures to run for office and if they do, they dont get enough votes to get any representation.

We also have Muslim parties in some countries.. they dont get many votes if they are even able to get on the ballot paper.

The only countries in the EU with religion in politics are Ireland and Poland... both Catholic, not muslim. Both countries who have a very ****ty record on women's rights. Ireland is changing towards a more secular society, where as Poland is disintegrating into more conservative right wing religious crap.. so bad that even the Pope is shocked about it.

Oh and then we have the Swiss... a nation with a poor history on women's rights.. It is not long ago women even got the freaking vote in that country.. and what religion do the Swiss have?

One thing is for sure, religious based politics in Europe has been in heavy decline for over half a century and will not return, either via Muslims, Jews or Christians.. the huge majority in Europe of all faiths DO NOT WANT IT!

How will Christians protect themselves from the invading Muslims then?
 
So is Europe a homogenous culture of white people or is it a mad-max shariah dystopia overrun by the Muslim horde? You need to choose.

Did you bother reading Vance's post? Is there any room in your world for facts?

Considering the rate of immigration and birth rates of Muslims vs Europeans, its only a matter of time. Also...the current state shows that Muslims in Europe under 15 are at 27%, while Europeans under the age of 15 are 15%. They are migrating more, producing more children, and their future generations are by percentile stronger and healthier in numbers. By 2050, the UK stands to be 1/5th Muslim. France will be 12.7% Muslim. Belgium...18.2%. Austria...19.9%. Sweden...30.6%.

To quote Barbara Lerner Spectre; "Europe will no longer be a monolithic place... They are going into a period of multiculturalism...but Europe wont survive unless they learn to embrace multiculturalism".

She's a ****ing idiot who needs to be deported, but she's partially correct- we're witnessing an attempt to change the demographics of Europe. That attempt is finding success, but it isn't complete yet. Hence the thread (duh)
 
Allow it as long as it does not violate the constitution. As long as they honor the constitution and are above board with their financing (not from some terrorist funding state in the Middle East or so), they should be allowed to be voted for. But their behavior should be closely monitored, just like their finance, to make sure they keep in line with the Belgian constitution and laws.
 
Who said we are miserable?



No one in Europe is stoned for being raped.



You do know that this is also done by Jews and Christians right? Honor killings happen all the time in Christianity.. we just call it domestic violence. Religious Jews demand conversion if you fall in love with one of their own.. funny eh?



Does not happen in Europe. It might be something your friends want to do, but we in Europe dont treat homosexuals as evil beings.



No one is oppressing us in Europe since we are free and democratic.



The only one pathetic and embarrassing are people like you.

Riiiiiiiight. You are bleating and whining about those oppressive Christians.

:lamo

Pathetic. Just...sad.


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I'm not oppressed, and my life isn't poor or miserable. Christians are the only people using their religion to enforce laws on me. Muslims do not do that to me because I do not live in a Muslim society. I think both groups are awful and childish, but one overwhelmingly causes more problems for me than the other, so they get proportionally more scorn. Feel free to make up more strawmen, but I reject the government enforcing any religion's laws.

Oh yes. You are. You are miserable and pathetic and it’s all those mean oppressive Christians fault.

Pathetic.


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Did you bother reading Vance's post? Is there any room in your world for facts?



To quote Barbara Lerner Spectre; "Europe will no longer be a monolithic place... They are going into a period of multiculturalism...but Europe wont survive unless they learn to embrace multiculturalism".

She's a ****ing idiot who needs to be deported, but she's partially correct- we're witnessing an attempt to change the demographics of Europe. That attempt is finding success, but it isn't complete yet. Hence the thread (duh)
He's too busy venting his hatred of Christians for their oppression, which is why he defends Muslims...because Christians so thoroughly and completely ****ed up hi spoor sad pathetic life.

Its tragic.

Meanwhile...in Paris............
 
A political party in Belgium simply named "Islamic Party" is picking up steam. They've already gotten 4 candidates elected to public office, with 28 more to run in the coming municipal elections. Islamic Party's platform is described as seeking an Islamic State, with Sharia Law replacing Belgian law, and segregation of women from men, in some areas of society.



Belgium does not know how many Muslims live in the country, thanks to a Belgian law that prohibits the government from inquiring about the religious status of residents.

What should Belgium do if the Islamic Party wins election, and begins implementing Sharia Law & gender segregation in parts of Belgium?

As I see it, non Muslims would have three bad choices:

1. Live with it
2. Leave Belgium
3. Civil War

But before we shrug and say it is no concern of ours, be advised that this is the ultimate goal of militant Islam, i.e. to put the entire world under the will of Allah. And they have growing numbers coupled with infinite patience to get it done.
 
As I see it, non Muslims would have three bad choices:

1. Live with it
2. Leave Belgium
3. Civil War

But before we shrug and say it is no concern of ours, be advised that this is the ultimate goal of militant Islam, i.e. to put the entire world under the will of Allah. And they have growing numbers coupled with infinite patience to get it done.

Stunning hypocrisy, again, always.

"Oh my gaaaaawwwdd, there's a commie in my knickers! I do declare, I think I am going to faint dead away."
 
Allow it as long as it does not violate the constitution. As long as they honor the constitution and are above board with their financing (not from some terrorist funding state in the Middle East or so), they should be allowed to be voted for. But their behavior should be closely monitored, just like their finance, to make sure they keep in line with the Belgian constitution and laws.

I have to disagree with the proposal for yet more monitoring programs to ensure that Muslims aren't planning nefarious plots. Countries like Belgium and France already spend an enormous amount on monitoring Muslims, in order to predict and prevent terrorist attacks. Then there's the large expenditures for social welfare programs, which Muslims partake in to a great extent.

The idea of creating a federal monitoring service to make sure Muslims serving in local public office aren't plotting an Islamic State begs the question; with all of these large expenditures that Europeans incur, what possible benefit can there be to having Muslims live amongst them? What happens if the European economy lags, and they're stuck spending hundreds of millions of Euros per year, just to be safe from people who they've let in?
 
I don't live in Belgium, which is a separate country, and NOT "capital of Europe" either. I didn't have a vote. Here in Europe, we don't obsess over someone's religion, unless they try to push it in our faces. They're following the democratic process so far, as they are entitled to do. The sky is not falling here yet. Sorry to disappoint youse.

The capital of the EU is Brussels. Um hm.

What would your opinion be if a neo-Nazi party won a democratic election in Europe? Would you demand to let the vote stand, in the name of democracy?
 
I have to disagree with the proposal for yet more monitoring programs to ensure that Muslims aren't planning nefarious plots. Countries like Belgium and France already spend an enormous amount on monitoring Muslims, in order to predict and prevent terrorist attacks. Then there's the large expenditures for social welfare programs, which Muslims partake in to a great extent.

The idea of creating a federal monitoring service to make sure Muslims serving in local public office aren't plotting an Islamic State begs the question; with all of these large expenditures that Europeans incur, what possible benefit can there be to having Muslims live amongst them? What happens if the European economy lags, and they're stuck spending hundreds of millions of Euros per year, just to be safe from people who they've let in?

With monitoring I mean their statements within parliament, their political campaign, etc. etc. So not something difficult or expensive, just monitoring as one would with any movement that may have attitudes that are not totally in line with the constitution (for example DeWinter and his hatemongers).

And nobody is suggesting these people are plotting an Islamic state, they are trying to change the country through democracy. Something they will fail in as miserably as is humanly possible because not even the Muslims in Belgium want Belgium to change into a Muslim state. And the benefit of Muslims? Well, there is nothing inherently wrong with multi-culturism, it fosters understanding and enriches cultures, then there is tax benefits, working benefits, etc. etc. etc.

And Europe is not spending hundreds of Millions of Euros each year to be safe from refugees or Muslims. Most refugees just want to live in peace and most Muslims are simply law abiding citizens who work/study/live in peace too.
 
No, a tiny fraction are. Muslims make up 6% of the population and a small percentage of those 6% voted for this party, so do explain how they are going to win power?

From what I can gather, Belgium doesn't compile religious statistics on its population. So I'm assuming that the 6% figure is an estimate, probably provided by a source that has an interest in representing the Muslim population of Belgium as being as small as possible.

And no, I'm not going to worry about a party which is probably polling at less than 1% and couldn't enact sharia law while in the EU.

AfD was polling 2-3% in 2016. Today they are roughly 13-16%, depending on the source. The winds of change never remain stagnant.
 
The capital of the EU is Brussels. Um hm.

What would your opinion be if a neo-Nazi party won a democratic election in Europe? Would you demand to let the vote stand, in the name of democracy?

No, it is the de facto capital, a capital of sorts and it shares that title with Luxembourg and Strasbourg. The European Union is not a country and thus has no real capital. Brussels and Strasbourg are the locations where the parliament houses and the governing body resides in Brussels. But not a capital city as for example Washington DC is.

Brussels is only the capital for Belgium and the location where most EU offices reside. But not the EU capital.

And yes, the EU cannot interfere with the internal elections of a country. The only thing that can happen is that such a choice has consequences for it being in the EU. We can police our own EU and it's institutions, not interfere with the election results of a purely national election in a country.
 
With monitoring I mean their statements within parliament, their political campaign, etc. etc. So not something difficult or expensive, just monitoring as one would with any movement that may have attitudes that are not totally in line with the constitution (for example DeWinter and his hatemongers).

And you believe that will be sufficient, when they've already boldly told Belgium to hell with your culture, we want an Islamic State?

Are you aware that in France, a female ISIS sympathizer is under investigation for helping to aid the attack that killed two French police officers in their homes? She used her position in government to obtain a list of police officer's home addresses. No amount of monitoring can stop these evil people if they're intent on doing evil. Anyone who follows these events in Europe should know by now that monitoring doesn't work, and real people die as the consequence.

And nobody is suggesting these people are plotting an Islamic state, they are trying to change the country through democracy. Something they will fail in as miserably as is humanly possible because not even the Muslims in Belgium want Belgium to change into a Muslim state.

Every source I can find online says the Islam Party wants an Islamic State. They can't create it by force, so they're attempting to use the democratic system to achieve it. We'll have to wait until October to know if I'm right or you're right.

And the benefit of Muslims? Well, there is nothing inherently wrong with multi-culturism, it fosters understanding and enriches cultures,

That is a subjective statement, based upon your own personal experience in Europe. If you asked ethnic English girls that were enslaved in Rotherham if their lives were made better by multiculturalism, what would they say? Yes?

then there is tax benefits, working benefits, etc. etc. etc.

Can you provide a source that proves Muslim migrants contribute more in tax revenues than they take in expenditures?

And Europe is not spending hundreds of Millions of Euros each year to be safe from refugees or Muslims. Most refugees just want to live in peace and most Muslims are simply law abiding citizens who work/study/live in peace too.

The total cost to provide welfare services, healthcare and housing is in the billions, just in Germany from 2015-present. Add in the extra law enforcement costs, counterterrorism costs, and incarceration costs, and you should realize that migration to Europe by non-EU countries is a huge net loss for tax payers.
 
Yes, they have a Constitution that prevents that and so would EU laws. Truthatallcost is a serial exaggerator and outright emotional liar on all topics involving Islam.

On another note: Christians in the US are constantly voting for hard right religious zealots and demand that Christian biblical law be enforced by the US government. It is no different than a sharia party. Religious nuts need to keep their fingers out of our politics and respect the Constitution.

So there's really nothing to worry about in Europe.
 
Riiiiiiiight. You are bleating and whining about those oppressive Christians.

:lamo

Pathetic. Just...sad.


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Where exactly was I doing that?
 
And you believe that will be sufficient, when they've already boldly told Belgium to hell with your culture, we want an Islamic State?

So have the Flemish nationalists, and they have an actual chance of dissolving Belgium. This party, has zero chance at getting anything.

Are you aware that in France, a female ISIS sympathizer is under investigation for helping to aid the attack that killed two French police officers in their homes? She used her position in government to obtain a list of police officer's home addresses. No amount of monitoring can stop these evil people if they're intent on doing evil. Anyone who follows these events in Europe should know by now that monitoring doesn't work, and real people die as the consequence.

Are you aware that in the US, the leader is under investigation for working for a foreign government? Are you aware that the woman who wants to run the CIA is wanted in Europe? There are criminals everywhere.

Every source I can find online says the Islam Party wants an Islamic State. They can't create it by force, so they're attempting to use the democratic system to achieve it. We'll have to wait until October to know if I'm right or you're right.

And I bet most of those sources are far right neo nazi sources... and so what if it is true. There are parties in Belgium who want independence from Belgium. There are crackpot parties all over Europe, wanting everything from free drugs to implementing Christian rule. Does not mean they will get their wish or power.

That is a subjective statement, based upon your own personal experience in Europe. If you asked ethnic English girls that were enslaved in Rotherham if their lives were made better by multiculturalism, what would they say? Yes?

And if we asked Christian girls enslaved in Christian pedo cults in the US, what answer would we get?

Can you provide a source that proves Muslim migrants contribute more in tax revenues than they take in expenditures?

Migrants contribute more to a country than they take out. There are tons of studies on this online.

The total cost to provide welfare services, healthcare and housing is in the billions, just in Germany from 2015-present. Add in the extra law enforcement costs, counterterrorism costs, and incarceration costs, and you should realize that migration to Europe by non-EU countries is a huge net loss for tax payers.

Are you talking about refugees or migrants? You need to make up your mind about who you are hating on.
 
I did notice how his other thread was about "da Joooos" but now this one is "da Moooooslims!!!!1", does he ever post anything about White Supremacists or Ultranationalist extremists in Christian-majority countries. No, just small Muslim populations, like this one...

LOL yeah its obvious he's never been to Europe so pretty clueless on how people live over there. I hardly see any obvious Muslims around whenever I visit.
 
How will Christians protect themselves from the invading Muslims then?
The ones trying to take over?
Uhh?

The atheists will put you both in an arena and make you fight to see whose god is real. Stop being melodramatic, the Muslim horde is not rushing over the hill to tear down your crosses and make you worship allah. Advocate for a secular government and constitution that respects everyone's rights and you have nothing to worry about.
 
You're talking about two completely separate things as if they're related. ~

Erm, you asked for biblical courts in America and I gave you evidence.

Considering the rate of immigration and birth rates of Muslims vs Europeans, its only a matter of time. Also...the current state shows that Muslims in Europe under 15 are at 27%, while Europeans under the age of 15 are 15%. They are migrating more, producing more children, and their future generations are by percentile stronger and healthier in numbers. By 2050, the UK stands to be 1/5th Muslim. France will be 12.7% Muslim. Belgium...18.2%. Austria...19.9%. Sweden...30.6%.

Links please?

Sometimes posters forget that "Europe" can include states such as Turkey / Bosnia Herzegovina - dependent on the statistics source...

I tend to use PEW for balanced reality on the muslim growth scare.
 
The atheists will put you both in an arena and make you fight to see whose god is real. Stop being melodramatic, the Muslim horde is not rushing over the hill to tear down your crosses and make you worship allah. Advocate for a secular government and constitution that respects everyone's rights and you have nothing to worry about.

No. Atheists are not going to do that. But, true secular governments are not going to allow religious extremism to make inroads. It just doesn't happen that way.

We're seeing a culture clash in Belgium and in other places, and the answer is NOT to allow new extremism to enter just because vestiges of old extremism may still exist.

When you look at what many term "Christian" countries, such as the US and in Europe, etc., you'll find that it was moderate Christians who took steps to keep the extremists in order. That's a natural form of evolution. In these nations, the Christians have moderated (for the most part) and the laws in these countries reflect that.

Now, enter Islam in the high numbers that we're seeing in some places and it's no wonder we're having issues -- when comparing Islam to Christianity (in these first-world nations), we find that the Christians are more evolved than Muslims. Islam, in fact, is a couple hundred years behind Christianity in social evolution.

While it's nice to respect the religion of another, if that religion brings with it domination of women and condemnation of homosexuals, those aspects MUST be denounced and banned. We can't have countries moving backwards in social evolution after all.

When it comes to any place where Muslims want to implement any form of Sharia Law, the answer is not just no -- but Hell no. Even if they want to use it to arbitrate divorces, etc., it lowers the status of women, therefore, it cannot be tolerated.
 
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