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British Government May Have Ties to Manchester Arena Bombers

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Admission that the state was likely in contact with Libyan groups linked to Manchester bombing raises fundamental questions about British links to terrorism

The revelation that the British government likely had contacts with the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) and the 17 February Martyrs Brigade during the 2011 war in Libya – groups for which the 2017 Manchester bomber and his father reportedly fought at that time – raises fundamental questions about the UK’s links to terrorism.

Foreign minister Alistair Burt told Parliament on 3 April that: “During the Libyan conflict in 2011 the British government was in communication with a wide range of Libyans involved in the conflict against the Gaddafi regime forces. It is likely that this included former members of Libyan Islamic Fighting Group and 17 February Martyrs Brigade, as part of our broad engagement during this time.” This is the first time the government has admitted to having contacts with these groups at that time.

The admission is highly significant. In 2011, Britain played a leading role, along with the US, France and some Arab states, in conducting bombing and a covert operation to remove Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi. But the UN resolution they obtained did not allow them to put troops on the ground - although Britain did so covertly, it was admitted later.

Instead, militant fighters, such as those from the LIFG, were seen as Islamist boots on the ground to promote Britain’s war. After the Manchester bombing in May last year, which killed 22 people, it was widely reported that the terrorist, Salman Abedi, and his father, Ramadan, had both fought with the LIFG in 2011.

As Middle East Eye revealed last year, the British government operated an “open door” policy that allowed Libyan exiles and British-Libyan citizens living in the UK to join the 2011 war, even though some had been subject to counter-terrorism control orders. These dissidents were members of the LIFG, and most were from Manchester, like the Abedis. Renowned journalist Peter Oborne subsequently revealed that they were “undoubtedly encouraged” by MI6 to travel to Libya to oust Gaddafi. Indeed, after the Libyan leader was overthrown, these fighters were allowed back into Britain “without hesitation”.

What will be the blowback for UK government after Libya revelations? | Middle East Eye

British and American leaders orchestrated the toppling of Gaddafi, with the full support of the media, who touted this period as 'The Arab Spring'. Look what happened; chaos and disorder in Libya, militant Islamic groups throughout Libya, illegal immigration pouring through Libya into Europe, and the 2017 Manchester Bombing which killed 22 mostly children.

For some reason, no one touts the Arab Spring as a part of the legacies of Obama and Cameron any more. Imagine that.
 
British and American leaders orchestrated the toppling of Gaddafi, with the full support of the media, who touted this period as 'The Arab Spring'. Look what happened; chaos and disorder in Libya, militant Islamic groups throughout Libya, illegal immigration pouring through Libya into Europe, and the 2017 Manchester Bombing which killed 22 mostly children.

For some reason, no one touts the Arab Spring as a part of the legacies of Obama and Cameron any more. Imagine that.

The Manchester bombing was committed by a British-born citizen who had never been to Libya in his life, so not sure why you bring up immigration.
 
While doing some further reading, I stumbled upon this;

Formed in the early 1990s to fight the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the LIFG relocated to Libya where, in 1996, the US treasury department records that it attempted to assassinate Muammar Gaddafi “and replace his regime with a hardline Islamic state”.

When that plot – which some claim was backed by MI6 – failed, the LIFG was pursued by Gaddafi’s security forces. A large number fled to the UK, where they were granted asylum on the grounds that as opponents of Gaddafi “our enemy’s enemy is our friend”, and many went to Birmingham and Manchester – home to established Arab communities that had found work in the cities’ engineering industries.


Just....wow. The American & UK governments had planned to install radical Islamist control in Libya, going back as far as 1996. In fact, the Manc Arena bomber's family probably wouldn't have even been allowed to live in the UK, were it not for MI6's bizarre support for radical Islamic extremists in Libya.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/28/salman-abedi-manchester-arena-bomber-radicalisation
 
While doing some further reading, I stumbled upon this;

Formed in the early 1990s to fight the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the LIFG relocated to Libya where, in 1996, the US treasury department records that it attempted to assassinate Muammar Gaddafi “and replace his regime with a hardline Islamic state”.

When that plot – which some claim was backed by MI6 – failed, the LIFG was pursued by Gaddafi’s security forces. A large number fled to the UK, where they were granted asylum on the grounds that as opponents of Gaddafi “our enemy’s enemy is our friend”, and many went to Birmingham and Manchester – home to established Arab communities that had found work in the cities’ engineering industries.


Just....wow. The American & UK governments had planned to install radical Islamist control in Libya, going back as far as 1996. In fact, the Manc Arena bomber's family probably wouldn't have even been allowed to live in the UK, were it not for MI6's bizarre support for radical Islamic extremists in Libya.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/28/salman-abedi-manchester-arena-bomber-radicalisation

His family didn't have ties with LIFG and his parents moved to the UK in 1994 - two years before this attempted assasination. Also, his parents attended a mosque who's imam preached against ISIS and other terrorist groups.

You're failing spectacularly, Truthatallcost.
 
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His family didn't have ties with LIFG and his parents moved to the UK in 1994 - two years before this attempted assasination. Also, his parents attended a mosque who's imam preached against ISIS and other terrorist groups.

You're failing spectacularly, Truthatallcost.

Why do all your posts seem to contradict points that were already covered in the OP? Who's wrong here, you or the journalist?
 
Why do all your posts seem to contradict points that were already covered in the OP? Who's wrong here, you or the journalist?

What's wrong here is your erroneous extrapolations and determination to link immigration to the Manchester bombing.

You tried to link the British governments alleged policy in regards to a specific incident in 1996 for allowing his parents into the UK, seemingly unaware that his parents had moved to the UK in 1994. The plot which you are trying to assign importance to happened after his parents had been living in the UK for years.
 
British and American leaders orchestrated the toppling of Gaddafi, with the full support of the media, who touted this period as 'The Arab Spring'. Look what happened; chaos and disorder in Libya, militant Islamic groups throughout Libya, illegal immigration pouring through Libya into Europe, and the 2017 Manchester Bombing which killed 22 mostly children.

For some reason, no one touts the Arab Spring as a part of the legacies of Obama and Cameron any more. Imagine that.


That's a fact. Obama's Arab Spring legacy was one of the greatest foreign policy failures we've seen in decades. No wonder they want to sweep it under the rug. And him -- a Nobel Peace recipient.

Fascinating.
 
That's a fact. Obama's Arab Spring legacy was one of the greatest foreign policy failures we've seen in decades. No wonder they want to sweep it under the rug. And him -- a Nobel Peace recipient.

Fascinating.

The Arab spring started in Algeria with no Western involvement.
 
What's wrong here is your erroneous extrapolations and determination to link immigration to the Manchester bombing.

You tried to link the British governments alleged policy in regards to a specific incident in 1996 for allowing his parents into the UK, seemingly unaware that his parents had moved to the UK in 1994. The plot which you are trying to assign importance to happened after his parents had been living in the UK for years.

He took it a whole step further past immigration and directly stated the UK government "has ties" to the terrorist group because of it. :roll: LiesAndExaggerationsAtAllCost
 
Of course Britain and everyone else got info, data and intel from anyone they could including terrorists. That becomes:

Instead, militant fighters, such as those from the LIFG, were seen as Islamist boots on the ground to promote Britain’s war.

hah

Why smear Britain for gathering intel from terrorists? Are they no-touch, leave-alone status? Is it somehow wrong to spy on or via them and Britain should pay for it? Seems like the point of that would be to protect terrorists. Impossible? Then again...

Despite Hearst's denial of affiliation between the MEE and any governments or organizations, several members of the Muslim Brotherhood are affiliated with the Middle East Eye,[3][4] and many of the MEE's articles have been supportive of the Brotherhood itself. In April 2016, the Middle East Eye published an article defending the Muslim Brotherhood against its detractors.[5]

In February 2017, the Middle East Eye also reported on potential measures against the Muslim Brotherhood by US senator Ted Cruz (R-TX), quoting criticism of such measures by Shadi Hamid.[6] Also in February 2017, the Middle East Eye published an article criticizing and attacking US proposals to designate the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization.[7] Hanan Chehata, a regular contributor to the Middle East Eye, has also referred to people supporting secularism as "secular fanatics".[8] Rori Donaghy, a former MEE journalist, is connected to Anas Altikriti, the CEO and founder of the Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated Cordoba Foundation.[9] Additionally, according to The Guardian, the MEE has been noted by Saudi Arabia as a news outlet funded by Qatar (both directly and indirectly);[10] the Qatari government is regarded as a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas.

On 22 June 2017, during the 2017–18 Qatar diplomatic crisis, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), Egypt and Bahrain, as part of a list of 13 demands, demanded that Qatar close the Middle East Eye, which was seen as sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood. The Middle East Eye denied it has ever received Qatari funds.[11][12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Eye
 
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The Arab spring started in Algeria with no Western involvement.

That's wrong.

ORAN, Algeria — Algeria is indeed a country of the Arab world: a de facto dictatorship with Islamists, oil, a vast desert, a few camels and soldiers, and women who suffer. But it also stands apart: It is the only Arab republic untouched by the Arab Spring of 2010-2011. Amid the disasters routinely visited upon the region, Algeria is an exception. Immobile and invisible, it doesn’t change and keeps a low profile.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/30/opinion/the-algerian-exception.html

Simple protests do not mean inclusion in the Arab Spring movement, which was promoted by the Obama Administration to the detriment on not only the stability in the region (Obama's Libya screw-up) but also worsened foreign relations with former allies (Egypt).
 
That's wrong.


https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/30/opinion/the-algerian-exception.html

Simple protests do not mean inclusion in the Arab Spring movement, which was promoted by the Obama Administration to the detriment on not only the stability in the region (Obama's Libya screw-up) but also worsened foreign relations with former allies (Egypt).

My mistake, I meant Tunisia. But the point remains the same, The Arab spring started with internal protests and without the involvement of Western powers.
 
My mistake, I meant Tunisia. But the point remains the same, The Arab spring started with internal protests and without the involvement of Western powers.

LOL and I got a bridge in New York I want to sell you.
 
My mistake, I meant Tunisia. But the point remains the same, The Arab spring started with internal protests and without the involvement of Western powers.

True, they started at a grassroots level, but Obama quickly tried to co-opt them to suit his own purposes. By the time they lit up in Libya the "protests" had access to large explosives. Obama issued orders during the Egyptian election, which led to disaster, and he promoted the civil war in Syria. Hundreds of thousands have lost their lives as a result.
 
LOL and I got a bridge in New York I want to sell you.

You got any evidence that Obama somehow persuaded a Tunisian market stall holder to set himself on fire?
 
You got any evidence that Obama somehow persuaded a Tunisian market stall holder to set himself on fire?
Nope but why are you focused on Obama? Arab Spring started with the Iraq war nr 2 and Bush JR. That emboldened people in many countries to rise up against their dictators.

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The Manchester bombing was committed by a British-born citizen who had never been to Libya in his life, so not sure why you bring up immigration.

Abedi is believed to have fought against the Gaddafi regime with his father Ramadan during the school holidays, according to BBC Newsnight.

Manchester attack: Who was Salman Abedi? - BBC News


His family didn't have ties with LIFG

The father of Salman Abedi, the Manchester Arena suicide bomber, fought against the Gaddafi regime with a group that was designated a terrorist organisation by the US, according to a man who says he fought alongside him. During his time in Libya, Ramadan Abedi was also known to be part of the Libyan Islamic fighting group, which was also known as Muqtalla group.

“This group was fighting Gaddafi in the mid-90s in the eastern side of Libya. The group were defeated in 1996. It was a group that wanted to overthrow Gaddafi but they also possibly had some guys who were affiliated with al-Qaida. Did some of these guys carry the torch of al-Qaida? Possibly.”


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...t-against-gaddafi-regime-with-terrorist-group

and his parents moved to the UK in 1994 - two years before this attempted assasination. Also, his parents attended a mosque who's imam preached against ISIS and other terrorist groups.

In 2011, the (current) mosque imam travelled to Libya, where he aided moderate rebel groups to help topple Gaddafi. Another person from the mosque was described variously as a "member" and a "senior member" of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group. A regular worshipper at the mosque, Abd al-Baset Azzouz, al Qaeda operative left Britain in 2009 to join the terror group’s leader Ayman al-Zawahiri in Pakistan, before heading to Libya to run an al Qaeda network in the east of the country.

At least two British recruits of Islamic State also worshipped at the mosque. Rapper and ISIS soldier Raphael Hostey worshipped at the mosque together with Salman Abedi, who went on to set off a suicide bomb at Manchester Arena in 2017. Hostey travelled to Syria where he was killed.

In December 2017, mosque attendee Mohammed Abdallah, was jailed for 10 years for being a member of Islamic State, where he was listed as a "specialist sniper".


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didsbury_Mosque

Good lord, is THIS what qualifies as a 'moderate mosque' in Britain these days? Tragic.

You're failing spectacularly, Truthatallcost.

I love it that you're failing miserably, while accusing me of same! Will you abandon this thread now?
 
He took it a whole step further past immigration and directly stated the UK government "has ties" to the terrorist group because of it. :roll: LiesAndExaggerationsAtAllCost

The British government encouraged their residents of Libyan ancestry to join the Islamic extremists in fighting Gaddafi's forces. Then the UK welcomed the returning fighters home. One of those fighters then showed how loyal he really was to the UK, by killing 22 of its citizens.

Your response; worth it!
 
That's a fact. Obama's Arab Spring legacy was one of the greatest foreign policy failures we've seen in decades. No wonder they want to sweep it under the rug. And him -- a Nobel Peace recipient.

Fascinating.

The great Nobel Peace prize recipient who helped proliferate nuclear weapons development in Iran, and couldn't formulate any successful strategy with regards to Syria.
 
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