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Telford abuse: Concerns over youth workers' caseloads - Telford abuse: Concerns over youth workers' caseloads - BBC News

Sadly, yet another city with mirror image problems of many other cities in the UK. Local authorities and services stretched to the limit and the all familiar mainly Pakistani perpetrators, and vulnerable underage victims.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-worst-ever-child-grooming-12165527

You could assign many a different city name to this story, and get the same horrendous abuse patterns.
 
No, Telford abuse were not mainly Pakistani perpetrators. According to the police the composition of the perpetrators represented society as a whole.. aka mostly WHITE Brits. Who said that... the guys investigating the case.

Telford abuse: Victim numbers 'sensationalised' says police chief - BBC News
"What I would say is sexual offending across Telford and Wrekin is virtually identically proportionate to the break-down of society, so it is not one particular section over others and we will tackle it wherever it is."
 
Telford abuse: Concerns over youth workers' caseloads - Telford abuse: Concerns over youth workers' caseloads - BBC News

Sadly, yet another city with mirror image problems of many other cities in the UK. Local authorities and services stretched to the limit and the all familiar mainly Pakistani perpetrators, and vulnerable underage victims.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-worst-ever-child-grooming-12165527

You could assign many a different city name to this story, and get the same horrendous abuse patterns.

So much for Brits telling us here in the USA how it’s gotta be.

What the hell is wrong with you people?
 
No, Telford abuse were not mainly Pakistani perpetrators. According to the police the composition of the perpetrators represented society as a whole.. aka mostly WHITE Brits. Who said that... the guys investigating the case.

Telford abuse: Victim numbers 'sensationalised' says police chief - BBC News

O dear, Pete's at it again:
The front page of yesterday’s Sunday Mirror read ‘Britain’s ‘worst ever’ child grooming scandal exposed: Hundreds of young girls raped, beaten, sold for sex and some even KILLED.’ Like the scandals in Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxfordshire and a growing list of other places, it seems that the victims are, once again, white British girls and the perpetrators men of ‘Asian’ background. Of course while in most other situations the word ‘Asian’ means ‘Asian’, for these purposes ‘Asian’ means ‘men of Muslim background, mainly Pakistani’.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/the-bbcs-shameful-silence-on-the-telford-sex-scandal/

In addition, we are not talking about offending in general as the police are here. We all know white men working alone are the worst offenders. How many times have I got to say that to you?
 
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O dear, Pete's at it again:
The front page of yesterday’s Sunday Mirror read ‘Britain’s ‘worst ever’ child grooming scandal exposed: Hundreds of young girls raped, beaten, sold for sex and some even KILLED.’ Like the scandals in Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxfordshire and a growing list of other places, it seems that the victims are, once again, white British girls and the perpetrators men of ‘Asian’ background. Of course while in most other situations the word ‘Asian’ means ‘Asian’, for these purposes ‘Asian’ means ‘men of Muslim background, mainly Pakistani’.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/the-bbcs-shameful-silence-on-the-telford-sex-scandal/

In addition, we are not talking about offending in general as the police are here. We all know white men working alone are the worst offenders. How many times have I got to say that to you?

No you are at it again.. with your racist bull****. Yes it is racist bull****, because you are pointing out only the brown criminals and totally ignoring the non brown ones. Telford has been going on for 40 years, that means the 1970s and 1980s. Back then, Telford was whiter than white.. and even now it is still 93% white. The "Asian" population is 3%.. There is even less of an Asian population than in Rotherham, which is also VERY white.

And in the Telford case, both white and non white kids were targeted.. boys and girls. This was sexual abuse all around the community and it was covered up by the community itself.

But yes, the people convicted in 2012... 5 years ago, and zero relevance to this story.. were in fact Asian and we only know about that, because it was in the media. Funny how little the media cares about such cases when it is white Brits who are abusing children.
 
The same thing happens in the US

Yep, and it is accepted under religious freedom... yes I am still pissed that they still allow the Warren Jeffs cult to even exist, let alone have kids there.
 
No you are at it again.. with your racist bull****. Yes it is racist bull****, because you are pointing out only the brown criminals and totally ignoring the non brown ones. Telford has been going on for 40 years, that means the 1970s and 1980s. Back then, Telford was whiter than white.. and even now it is still 93% white. The "Asian" population is 3%.. There is even less of an Asian population than in Rotherham, which is also VERY white.

And in the Telford case, both white and non white kids were targeted.. boys and girls. This was sexual abuse all around the community and it was covered up by the community itself.

But yes, the people convicted in 2012... 5 years ago, and zero relevance to this story.. were in fact Asian and we only know about that, because it was in the media. Funny how little the media cares about such cases when it is white Brits who are abusing children.

Racist? You gotta be ****in kidding.....
 
Racist? You gotta be ****in kidding.....

Then how do you explain it? Try to claim only pakistanis rape kids when there were in fact white people? And in fact white people involved in child sex rings all over the world as well? And you make it like its just pakistani?

If it walks like a duck
 
Then how do you explain it? Try to claim only pakistanis rape kids when there were in fact white people? And in fact white people involved in child sex rings all over the world as well? And you make it like its just pakistani?

If it walks like a duck

Sorry, there's a whole lot of history on this topic and I'm not prepared to revisit for someone who's been here 2 minutes:) and I mean that in the nicest possible way. Have a search through the forum.
 
Racist? You gotta be ****in kidding.....

The why do you constantly ignore these abuse cases when it involves white Brits, and when it involves both whites and Asians.. you only point out the Asians?

Fact is, Rotherham, Telford and others, could not have happened if there was not a major if not majority contribution by the white British population. Were Asians involved? you betcha, pedos and rapists exists in all colours and religions. It is not the colour of the skin or the religious ideas that make men and women.. yes women, do these terrible things.

People should be focusing on why these type of people do what they do.. and not if they are white, asian or muslim or christian.. those are irrelevant.
 
The why do you constantly ignore these abuse cases when it involves white Brits, and when it involves both whites and Asians.. you only point out the Asians?

Fact is, Rotherham, Telford and others, could not have happened if there was not a major if not majority contribution by the white British population. Were Asians involved? you betcha, pedos and rapists exists in all colours and religions. It is not the colour of the skin or the religious ideas that make men and women.. yes women, do these terrible things.

People should be focusing on why these type of people do what they do.. and not if they are white, asian or muslim or christian.. those are irrelevant.

Wrong. The head of the CPS a Pakistani, was explicit in his condemnation stating: Asain mainly Pakistani men are, disproportionately guilty of grooming working in organised gangs. Why do you have a problem with this fact? In addition, please show me the evidence of multiple gangs of white men only, working in the very same way? Keep in mind, we're discussing town's in the UK.
 
The why do you constantly ignore these abuse cases when it involves white Brits, and when it involves both whites and Asians.. you only point out the Asians?

Fact is, Rotherham, Telford and others, could not have happened if there was not a major if not majority contribution by the white British population. Were Asians involved? you betcha, pedos and rapists exists in all colours and religions. It is not the colour of the skin or the religious ideas that make men and women.. yes women, do these terrible things.

People should be focusing on why these type of people do what they do.. and not if they are white, asian or muslim or christian.. those are irrelevant.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...s/former-cps-chief-reversed-decision-13261107

Here he is, totally explicit on the disproportionate involvement of Pakistani men:


https://youtu.be/0MqrO6p2Woc
 
Wrong. The head of the CPS a Pakistani, was explicit in his condemnation stating: Asain mainly Pakistani men are, disproportionately guilty of grooming working in organised gangs. Why do you have a problem with this fact? In addition, please show me the evidence of multiple gangs of white men only, working in the very same way? Keep in mind, we're discussing town's in the UK.

For the love of god.... disproportionately does not mean exclusive.. which is the position you are pushing.

On top of that non-gang paedophilia is almost 100% white British.. yes that is also a fact. When you combine these two... and yet again a huge majority of child sex abuse is by white Brits, not Asians.

Its like saying all crime is done by poor people, because they are disproportionately represented in crime statistics...
 
When there is a general plague of such things it is not down to the work load of social workers that these matters are not dealt with.

It is a general lack of spine and responsibility in the police, local government, national government and social services.
 
For the love of god.... disproportionately does not mean exclusive.. which is the position you are pushing.

On top of that non-gang paedophilia is almost 100% white British.. yes that is also a fact. When you combine these two... and yet again a huge majority of child sex abuse is by white Brits, not Asians.

Its like saying all crime is done by poor people, because they are disproportionately represented in crime statistics...

You can love God all you like, but you didn't (like the 10s of times previously) provide any evidence showing multiple gangs of white British acting in the same way, across the UK. Where's the evidence?
Now if you'd like, start a thread about your evidence. This thread, shows the continuation of mainly Pakistani perpetrators accounting for a disproportionate number. I await your evidence.

The evidence for my claim is compelling: https://news.sky.com/story/grooming-gang-convictions-84-asian-say-researchers-11164589
 
When there is a general plague of such things it is not down to the work load of social workers that these matters are not dealt with.

It is a general lack of spine and responsibility in the police, local government, national government and social services.

Yes and no.. problem in many countries, is that the police, local government and so on are involved in the abuse.

Case in point. The Church. Abuse here has been wide spread, and still happens. Yet, the amount of priests being arrested is almost nothing. Instead the Church and its people are protected under outdated religious laws.. (that they themselves put in place). Could you imagine a company, group or organisation that protected massive child abuse spanning centuries being allowed to exist? Only if it is a religion. So why has government not gone in and done something...? Oh yea its a religion.

Or in the UKs case... that there has been a paedophile group in the British parliament since the 1970s at least... and it has yet to be investigated, shows how big of a problem it has been with relying on local/national government and police. If the UK parliament cant even police it self,... decades after most of the supposed paedophiles are dead... then how do we expect them to police now, or in the past the average Joe?

What I find odd, is that these cases come more and more in sexual inhibited and religious societies/countries. Not saying that it does not happen in places like Sweden or Denmark.. but the scale of the problem is nothing compared to places like the UK.
 
Yes and no.. problem in many countries, is that the police, local government and so on are involved in the abuse.

Case in point. The Church. Abuse here has been wide spread, and still happens. Yet, the amount of priests being arrested is almost nothing. Instead the Church and its people are protected under outdated religious laws.. (that they themselves put in place). Could you imagine a company, group or organisation that protected massive child abuse spanning centuries being allowed to exist? Only if it is a religion. So why has government not gone in and done something...? Oh yea its a religion.

Or in the UKs case... that there has been a paedophile group in the British parliament since the 1970s at least... and it has yet to be investigated, shows how big of a problem it has been with relying on local/national government and police. If the UK parliament cant even police it self,... decades after most of the supposed paedophiles are dead... then how do we expect them to police now, or in the past the average Joe?

What I find odd, is that these cases come more and more in sexual inhibited and religious societies/countries. Not saying that it does not happen in places like Sweden or Denmark.. but the scale of the problem is nothing compared to places like the UK.

That pedophiles create groups where they find power to thus get away with it is not surprising.

That our police are not up to chasing such sad, powerless, dregs as the Moslem gangs who do this sort of thing is pathetic.
 
Yes and no.. problem in many countries, is that the police, local government and so on are involved in the abuse.

Case in point. The Church. Abuse here has been wide spread, and still happens. Yet, the amount of priests being arrested is almost nothing. Instead the Church and its people are protected under outdated religious laws.. (that they themselves put in place). Could you imagine a company, group or organisation that protected massive child abuse spanning centuries being allowed to exist? Only if it is a religion. So why has government not gone in and done something...? Oh yea its a religion.

Or in the UKs case... that there has been a paedophile group in the British parliament since the 1970s at least... and it has yet to be investigated, shows how big of a problem it has been with relying on local/national government and police. If the UK parliament cant even police it self,... decades after most of the supposed paedophiles are dead... then how do we expect them to police now, or in the past the average Joe?

What I find odd, is that these cases come more and more in sexual inhibited and religious societies/countries. Not saying that it does not happen in places like Sweden or Denmark.. but the scale of the problem is nothing compared to places like the UK.

Stop deflecting onto something that is not specifically related to the thread. You had your own thread about the Westminster case. This thread is NOT about that. Have you got the evidence asked from you?
 
That pedophiles create groups where they find power to thus get away with it is not surprising.

That our police are not up to chasing such sad, powerless, dregs as the Moslem gangs who do this sort of thing is pathetic.

It was extremely sad. And pretty much unforgivable, for the victims.
 
No, Telford abuse were not mainly Pakistani perpetrators ~

True, the majority of sex abuse perpetrators are still largely white males but there is a continuing problem with sex grooming gangs and they are mainly Pakistani, muslim and probably have familial / cultural links back to Mirpur.

I get what you're doing Pete - trying to put balance across and maybe any such story should include links to factual studies but there is a worrying trend which now seems to happen across most of the UK where Pakistani communities are and where they are in certain types of employment and where there are vulnerable young children around.

The disclaimers: 1) the majority of sex abuse probably happens where victims are related to the adults (brothers / uncles / fathers etc) 2) the majority of non related adults engaged in sex abuse tend to be white but a disproportionate number (75%) of these adults in sex-gangs tend to be South Asian / Pakistani.
 
True, the majority of sex abuse perpetrators are still largely white males but there is a continuing problem with sex grooming gangs and they are mainly Pakistani, muslim and probably have familial / cultural links back to Mirpur.

I get what you're doing Pete - trying to put balance across and maybe any such story should include links to factual studies but there is a worrying trend which now seems to happen across most of the UK where Pakistani communities are and where they are in certain types of employment and where there are vulnerable young children around.

The disclaimers: 1) the majority of sex abuse probably happens where victims are related to the adults (brothers / uncles / fathers etc) 2) the majority of non related adults engaged in sex abuse tend to be white but a disproportionate number (75%) of these adults in sex-gangs tend to be South Asian / Pakistani.

I'm not sure how much clearer it can be explained. Pete displays a worrying defence of a subject that is crystal clear.
 
True, the majority of sex abuse perpetrators are still largely white males but there is a continuing problem with sex grooming gangs and they are mainly Pakistani, muslim and probably have familial / cultural links back to Mirpur.

I get what you're doing Pete - trying to put balance across and maybe any such story should include links to factual studies but there is a worrying trend which now seems to happen across most of the UK where Pakistani communities are and where they are in certain types of employment and where there are vulnerable young children around.

The disclaimers: 1) the majority of sex abuse probably happens where victims are related to the adults (brothers / uncles / fathers etc) 2) the majority of non related adults engaged in sex abuse tend to be white but a disproportionate number (75%) of these adults in sex-gangs tend to be South Asian / Pakistani.

And I submit to you that the problem is the labelling of "grooming gangs". Most pedophile groups are by definition grooming gangs, but when it is white christians that are doing the grooming, then they are not labelled as such. You have the same problem with white christian terrorists, who do not get labelled as such. To this date, the right wing cant say that Brevik was a christian terrorist..

I fully acknowledge that in the UK, the so called grooming gangs are mostly comprised of "Asian" men.. however as I stated, why was the pedophile group like the following

Police arrest 870 suspected paedophiles and rescue hundreds of children after smashing international internet ring | The Independent

or many others.. not be labelled as grooming gangs by the UK media? Because most of the people involved were in fact.. white Christian.. both male and female. Are you telling me, that these freaks did not groom children for sex?
 
And I submit to you that the problem is the labelling of "grooming gangs". Most pedophile groups are by definition grooming gangs, but when it is white christians that are doing the grooming, then they are not labelled as such. You have the same problem with white christian terrorists, who do not get labelled as such. To this date, the right wing cant say that Brevik was a christian terrorist..

I fully acknowledge that in the UK, the so called grooming gangs are mostly comprised of "Asian" men.. however as I stated, why was the pedophile group like the following

Police arrest 870 suspected paedophiles and rescue hundreds of children after smashing international internet ring | The Independent

or many others.. not be labelled as grooming gangs by the UK media? Because most of the people involved were in fact.. white Christian.. both male and female. Are you telling me, that these freaks did not groom children for sex?

Erm, the south Asian grooming gangs tend to target vulnerable local girls because they are so called easy targets in their eyes who they can actually have sex with while the international gangs you mention are type 2 gangs who just as easily get their kicks watching abuse happen even over the internet in other countries.

Did you actually check the fact check link? Type 1s are the grooming gangs you talk about and this is why they are identified as grooming gangs.

Type 1: type 1 offenders are unlikely to identify themselves as having a sexual interest in children, but molest children because they are vulnerable to sexual exploitation.”
Type 2: these offenders are not simply targeting children because they are vulnerable, but because they are children.
 
Erm, the south Asian grooming gangs tend to target vulnerable local girls because they are so called easy targets in their eyes who they can actually have sex with while the international gangs you mention are type 2 gangs who just as easily get their kicks watching abuse happen even over the internet in other countries.

And so what? Abuse of children is abuse of children regardless where it happens no? It is the classification that pisses me off, because it is being used in singling out a widespread problem as being only in the Asian community and THAT brings out all the racist right wing muslim haters. The fact is, this problem is not exclusive to the Asian community and it is far more widespread in the white population in the UK and many other countries.. because the population is mostly white.

Did you actually check the fact check link? Type 1s are the grooming gangs you talk about and this is why they are identified as grooming gangs.

Yes and I am questioning why the hell the types even exist! That is the whole point...I am well aware of the arbitrary classification that has been done.. to me it looks like that the classification has been made to single out the asian community because it is not being used as it should.

Case in point... the UK Parliamentary pedo group.. that is clearly a grooming gang as well... going back 40 years. However has it been called that? No.. has it even been investigated? of course not.

Like it or not, the population of Telford is 93%+ white. The amount of abuse that has been going on of both white and non white children for over 40 years can not be only attributed to the asian community, because 40 years ago, the white population was even a large percentage than it is now. Same goes for Rochdale btw. Time and time again white "grooming gangs" or pedo groups, from the Uk parliament group to the church, have been ignored or even protected.. that has to stop (and no it is not an UK thing.. it is everywhere including in my own country). Hell Savile was a freaking one man groomer, and he was protected for most of his life.. All countries have their dark secrets... forced sterilizations, protecting pedo groups (one big one, called the Christian Church) and worse.. but as long as we keep blaming "the dark people" instead of owning up to the problem among us.. then we will even remotely fix the problem. And that is why the classification in question is idiotic and counter productive.
 
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