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Trump Presidency shifts US "Happiness" Ranking by FOUR places.

Taylor said:
I knew as soon as I revealed that this data was from the Obama years you guys would pivot to "But, Buuush!! :cry:"

Priceless.
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No. I didn't mention Bush. I said the ACA didn't cause a "drop in happiness" with anyone I'm aware of. That's called an anecdote.

You posted no data to back up your assertion that the ACA caused anything. I could just as easily blame the fact that Trump ran for president during the period in question. The ACA passed when?

All of those people who's happiness got crushed in 2015-2017 made the ACA's popularity do this:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/02/01/us/politics/obamacare-approval-poll.html

IOW, you are just babbling. :2wave: Thank you.
 
HenryChinaski said:
My employer has locations all over the world. I’d take a similar gig and relocate to Finland in a heartbeat. Toronto also sounds appealing.
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Canada is a happier country than America. Canadians seem to have comparatively more respect for themselves, each other and their country. We've never been to Toronto. We like Calgary, Montreal, Quebec City and Vancouver. But who can afford to live in Vancouver?

We were in Iceland 2 months ago. It is an amazing country. Not cheap but they are doing very well after the economic devastation of 2008. Icelanders are easy going and pleased with their progress. Every morning the President of Iceland and his children bike to their public school about a mile from home. The president's residence has no gate. When we saw the residence there was only a police car parked in the driveway. How's that for living among a fairly happy constituency?

The Swiss according to the survey are very happy. I've always been treated well there, but the Swiss are difficult to assess. While not unfriendly they aren't particularly chatty. Beautiful country.

Finland, I don't know. We've never been there. I have heard that Finns are some of the friendliest people in Europe. Finland is on our list.

Nordic countries have a different approach to life. It seems to work well.


The angst in the US is palpable. It is not difficult to understand why we are ranked at 16.
 
Mason66 said:
What do you mean by Trump shift happiness?
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Changing a 2016 ranking of 14th to a 2017 ranking of 10th "shifts" the ranking by four points.

Changing a 2016 ranking of 14th to a 2017 ranking of 18th "shifts" the ranking by four points.

Is that a sufficient explanation?
 
Mason66 said:
Name one policy that has change the happiness in America.
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OK, so it's your opinion that the decline in "happiness level" has absolutely nothing whatsoever to the actions of the US government.

You are entitled to your opinion but that doesn't mean that it is correct.
 
Taylor said:
So which of Obama's policies do you think produced the biggest drop in happiness? My guess is the ACA. I know, obvious.
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I suppose that all of the policies which Mr. Obama introduced while he was the President of the United States of America in 2017 could be the cause.

PS - Do you know who the President of the United States of America was between January 20, 2017 and December 31, 2017?
 
<alt>doxygen said:
No. I didn't mention Bush. I said the ACA didn't cause a "drop in happiness" with anyone I'm aware of. That's called an anecdote.

You posted no data to back up your assertion that the ACA caused anything. I could just as easily blame the fact that Trump ran for president during the period in question. The ACA passed when?

All of those people who's happiness got crushed in 2015-2017 made the ACA's popularity do this:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/02/01/us/politics/obamacare-approval-poll.html

IOW, you are just babbling. :2wave: Thank you.
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I referred to it as a "guess" - that's a word you should look up if it's not already part of your lexicon.

Says a lot about Obamacare when proponents tout how popular it is with data that say 55% don't think it was a good idea.

But you're right. At least it isn't as abysmally unpopular as it once was.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
I suppose that all of the policies which Mr. Obama introduced while he was the President of the United States of America in 2017 could be the cause.
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I wouldn't blame Obama for any of his 2017 policies. It usually takes a while for policies to have an effect.
 
Taylor said:
I wouldn't blame Obama for any of his 2017 policies. It usually takes a while for policies to have an effect.
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You really don't know who the President of the United States of America after 20 JAN 17 was?

However, if you claim that it was the policies that Mr. Obama introduced PRIOR to 20 JAN 17 that are responsible for the decline in the US "Happiness Rating" (because "it usually takes a while for policies to have an effect" does that mean that you also credit Mr. Obama with the rise in the stock market, the decline in unemployment, and the increase in jobs?

Or do you operate on the basis of:

  1. "If it is BAD, then THEY are responsible - regardless of what WE did or did not do.";
  2. "If it is GOOD, then WE are responsible - regardless of what THEY did or did not do.".
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
You really don't know who the President of the United States of America after 20 JAN 17 was?

However, if you claim that it was the policies that Mr. Obama introduced PRIOR to 20 JAN 17 that are responsible for the decline in the US "Happiness Rating" (because "it usually takes a while for policies to have an effect" does that mean that you also credit Mr. Obama with the rise in the stock market, the decline in unemployment, and the increase in jobs?

Or do you operate on the basis of:

  1. "If it is BAD, then THEY are responsible - regardless of what WE did or did not do.";
  2. "If it is GOOD, then WE are responsible - regardless of what THEY did or did not do.".
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If you haven't figured it out yet, I'm just having fun with you for making "Mr. Trump's policies have done more to change the happiness levels of the average American (and in the shortest time) than those of any other President in the history of the United States of America" claims - only to discover that the vast majority of the data reflect upon the Obama years.

Notice how almost all of the other liberals left?
 
Taylor said:
Did you not see the data from the NY Times that alt provided? Only 45% think it was a good idea.
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Which was ONE OF the results in listed in the article. You might not have noticed it, but 45 is 52.33% of 86 and the percentages listed were 45 and 41 which add up to 86. That means that, of the people who knew enough (or thought that they knew enough) about it to express an opinion better than 50% thought that "Obamacare" was a "good thing".

PS - The NYT article did NOT "cherry pick" when it listed only those who expressed an opinion.

PPS - I'm not going to insult you by asking "Did you see the data from the link that I provided that showed otherwise?" because I'm going to assume that you actually looked at the data before deciding to ignore it.
 
Deuce said:
Yes, electing a reality TV show douchebag has accelerated our fall far beyond anything I could have imagined.
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We would have been so far better off with Jerry Springer, at least he has a political background ( I mean other than bribing politicians) and he is not ****ING NUTS!!!
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Changing a 2016 ranking of 14th to a 2017 ranking of 10th "shifts" the ranking by four points.

Changing a 2016 ranking of 14th to a 2017 ranking of 18th "shifts" the ranking by four points.

Is that a sufficient explanation?
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You didn't say why Trump shifted happiness.

Try answering the question that was asked.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
OK, so it's your opinion that the decline in "happiness level" has absolutely nothing whatsoever to the actions of the US government.

You are entitled to your opinion but that doesn't mean that it is correct.
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Again, answer the question that was asked.
 
Mason66 said:
You didn't say why Trump shifted happiness.

Try answering the question that was asked.
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Because he is who he is. What his motivations were, I really don't know, but he is certainly happier than he was in 2016.

By the way, have you forgotten the basic rule of American politics:

"If it is good then WE are responsible, but it it is bad they THEY are responsible."

or are you simply acting on it?
 
Mason66 said:
Again, answer the question that was asked.
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Possibly you have forgotten that the question that was asked was "What do you mean by Trump shift happiness?".

I answered that question.

If you had wanted to ask a different question, don't expect me to guess what it was and answer it before you asked it.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Because he is who he is. What his motivations were, I really don't know, but he is certainly happier than he was in 2016.

By the way, have you forgotten the basic rule of American politics:

"If it is good then WE are responsible, but it it is bad they THEY are responsible."

or are you simply acting on it?
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You stated Trump did something to change happiness in the country.

What specifically do, apart from existing, to accomplish this?
 
The board is swamped with y threads on Trump, do we have to have this in the European forum.....
 
Mason66 said:
You stated Trump did something to change happiness in the country.
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That was what is known as a "headline" and people who don't read past the "headline" generally don't get it.

Mason66 said:
What specifically do, apart from existing, to accomplish this?
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I'll pretend that you actually asked a coherent question and answer what I think that that question was.

The answer to "What, specifically, did Mr. Trump do, apart from existing, to cause the level of happiness in the United States of America to drop?" is

"Not one damn thing other than what any rational person would have concluded he would do if he was elected to the office of President of the United States of America and what that rational person would have concluded is that he would have acted in an inconsistent, egotistical, ill informed, capricious, obnoxious, vindictive manner and done nothing that would have either 'healed the rifts in America' or 'improved America's relations with its closest allies'."​

does that answer your question (or did you actually intend to ask a different one)?
 
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