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Dutch intelligence first to alert U.S. about Russian hack of Democratic Party

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Interesting....

In the Summer of 2015, Dutch intelligence services were the first to alert their American counterparts about the cyberintrusion of the Democratic National Committee by Cozy Bear, a hacking group believed to be tied to the Russian government. Intelligence hackers from Dutch AIVD (General Intelligence and Security Service) had penetrated the Cozy Bear computer servers as well as a security camera at the entrance of their working space, located in a university building adjacent to the Red Square in Moscow.

Over the course of a few months, they saw how the Russians penetrated several U.S. institutions, including the State Department, the White House, and the DNC. On all these occasions, the Dutch alerted the U.S. intelligence services, Dutch tv programme Nieuwsuur and de Volkskrant, a prominent newspaper in The Netherlands, jointly report on Thursday. This account is based on interviews with a dozen political, diplomatic and intelligence sources in The Netherlands and the U.S. with direct knowledge of the matter. None of them wanted to speak on the record, given the classified details of the matter.

Not only had Dutch intelligence penetrated the computer network of the hackers, they also managed to hack a security camera in the corridor. This allowed them to see exactly who entered the hacking room. Information about these individuals was shared with the US intelligence services. Dutch intelligence services consider Cozy Bear an extension of the SVR, the Russian foreign intelligence service, which is firmly controlled by President Putin.

The information shared by The Netherlands about the hacks at the DNC ended up on the desk of Robert Mueller, the Special Prosecutor leading the FBI investigation into possible Russian interference in the American elections. As early as December, the New York Times reported that information from, among others, Australia, the United Kingdom and The Netherlands had propelled the FBI investigation.

I believe the Dutch did the right thing here

https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/22...s-about-russian-hack-of-democratic-party.html
 
If Dutch intelligence informed US officials in the summer of 2015, then why was there no or little response?

In December 2016, they said:

The Obama administration didn’t respond more forcefully to Russian hacking before the presidential election because they didn’t want to appear to be interfering in the election and they thought that Hillary Clinton was going to win and a potential cyber war with Russia wasn’t worth it, multiple high-level government officials told NBC News.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/why-didnt-obama-do-more-about-russian-election-hack-n696701

But summer 2015?
 
If Dutch intelligence informed US officials in the summer of 2015, then why was there no or little response?

In December 2016, they said:



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/why-didnt-obama-do-more-about-russian-election-hack-n696701

But summer 2015?

From what I quickly read was the attacks were on Sate and other Govt Depts. Not on interfering in the elections - Hacking DNC- I will qualify that as i am still digesting this.

DNC was hacked in 15??? Not sure on when the US was notified- 15 or 16 when they notified the US?
 
From what I quickly read was the attacks were on Sate and other Govt Depts. Not on interfering in the elections - Hacking DNC- I will qualify that as i am still digesting this.

DNC was hacked in 15??? Not sure on when the US was notified- 15 or 16 when they notified the US?

I believe the dnc were hacked twice: the first time was in 2015 by Cozy bear and the second time was in 2016 by Fancy Bear. Both cozy bear and fancy bear are linked to Russian intelligence.
 
I believe it was Latvian intelligence that informed the US that Trump campaign aides were in contact with Russian officials.
 
I believe the dnc were hacked twice: the first time was in 2015 by Cozy bear and the second time was in 2016 by Fancy Bear. Both cozy bear and fancy bear are linked to Russian intelligence.

And it appear the US let slip somehow, and the utch lost their in into the hackers- that and the Dutch, as noted n the article were not happy and note to fond about sharing data with the US under Trump.
Question is, why?????

https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/22...s-about-russian-hack-of-democratic-party.html
As of now, the AIVD hackers do not seem to have access to Cozy Bear any longer. Sources suggest that the openness of US intelligence sources, who in 2017 praised the help of a Western ally in news stories, may have ruined their operation. The openness caused great anger in The Hague and Zoetermeer. In the television programme College Tour, this month, AIVD director Bertholee stated that he is extra careful when it comes to sharing intelligence with the U.S., now that Donald Trump is President.
 
I really don't think there was any hacking involved but I'll look into it.
 
From what I quickly read was the attacks were on Sate and other Govt Depts. Not on interfering in the elections - Hacking DNC- I will qualify that as i am still digesting this.

DNC was hacked in 15??? Not sure on when the US was notified- 15 or 16 when they notified the US?

Very first sentece:

In the Summer of 2015, Dutch intelligence services were the first to alert their American counterparts about the cyberintrusion of the Democratic National Committee by Cozy Bear, a hacking group believed to be tied to the Russian government.

Again, summer 2015. Why wasn't anything done? (Question not directed at you personally, JANFU.)
 
Very first sentece:



Again, summer 2015. Why wasn't anything done? (Question not directed at you personally, JANFU.)

Yeah, I was stunned when reading this. A ton of questions arise from this.
 
Very first sentece:



Again, summer 2015. Why wasn't anything done?


Probably because no one knew what exactly the purpose of the hacking was back then in 2015. The connection to the election in 2016 only appeared evident when dnc emails were leaked.
 
If Dutch intelligence informed US officials in the summer of 2015, then why was there no or little response?

In December 2016, they said:



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/why-didnt-obama-do-more-about-russian-election-hack-n696701

But summer 2015?

Oh for ****s sake. He passes Obamacare and the right screeches socialism, while complaining about all the ways that he didn't go far enough.

Now what, McConnell prevents President Obama from sounding the alarm bells, and you want to blame that on President Obama?
 
Probably because no one knew what exactly the purpose of the hacking was back then in 2015. The connection to the election in 2016 only appeared evident when dnc emails were leaked.

Wait -- we don't know why Russians were hacking, so we don't do anything about it? Seriously?
 
Wait -- we don't know why Russians were hacking, so we don't do anything about it? Seriously?

Obama probably put requests for increased funding for cyber security into the proposed budgets that was never considered by the congress

Edit: and I was only saying we did not know why the Russians hacked the dnc in 2015, and since nothing from the dnc was leaked in 2015 I doubt the public knew it happened either.
 
Obama probably put requests for increased funding for cyber security into the proposed budgets that was never considered by the congress

Oh, of COURSE. :roll: But I thought he didn't, because no one knew why it was being done?
 
I was talking about the hack into the dnc in 2015.

I know. You say they didn't do anything about Russians hacking us because no one knew why it was being done. That's what you said.
 
I know. You say they didn't do anything about Russians hacking us because no one knew why it was being done. That's what you said.

We also didn’t know that Russia hacked us in 2015, and this story came out this year.

If I had to guess, Obama’s probably asked for increased cyber security measures in 2016’s proposed budget, or some internal modifications occurred at the state department and White House.

The public did not know about this in 2015
 
We also didn’t know that Russia hacked us in 2015, and this story came out this year.

If I had to guess, Obama’s probably asked for increased cyber security measures in 2016’s proposed budget, or some internal modifications occurred at the state department and White House.

The public did not know about this in 2015

According to the story -- which YOU posted -- US officials knew in the summer of 2015. It doesn't matter when the "public" knew.
 
According to the story -- which YOU posted -- US officials knew in the summer of 2015. It doesn't matter when the "public" knew.

They knew, but the American public did not know.

The only way to know for sure if anything was done about the Russian hacking in 2015 was if there had been a official public announcement from the government that stated the it had been hacked.

Unless you want to look through news headlines from 2015 to find any that indicate that there were major changes to u.s cyber security policy, I don’t think you will find any evidence of this 2015 hacking being front page news.
 
If Dutch intelligence informed US officials in the summer of 2015, then why was there no or little response?

In December 2016, they said:



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/why-didnt-obama-do-more-about-russian-election-hack-n696701

But summer 2015?


Good question.

It's not like "9/11" when lives were on the line.....and telling another Govt about Intel will save lives & prevent disaster.

BUT ----- when you share intelligence the entity you shared it with is going to wonder / ponder :

1) How was that intel gotten ---- by human intelligence collection, electronic collection, communications collection?

2) How long did you know before you shared it?

3) Why was that intelligence shared, instead of keeping it to yourself.

4) Is there any false or misleading info mixed in with TRUE and FACTUAL info received? This is a common practiced tactic.... and has been for decades.

5) Does the entity who shared the Intel expect favors or payment , now..... or in the future?

6) The Intel entity give us the info..... Did they .... or will they, share that sensitive or secret info with anyone else?

7) What was the Intel entitys size and scope of their Intel collection..... and how long have they been collecting Intel on this particular substance / topic?

8) Is there any criminal and / or terrorist activity involved with the individuals that the Intel were collected on?

9) Was the Intel received thorough and complete, or did the Intel entity that give us the intel..... only give us a portion of the Intel?

10) Is the jntel entity wrongfully collorbrating with the individuals in the Intel report..... will what you say to the Intel agency that give you the Intel, make it back to the individuals under investigation / surveillance?





Major Lambda
 
They knew, but the American public did not know.

The only way to know for sure if anything was done about the Russian hacking in 2015 was if there had been a official public announcement from the government that stated the it had been hacked.

Unless you want to look through news headlines from 2015 to find any that indicate that there were major changes to u.s cyber security policy, I don’t think you will find any evidence of this 2015 hacking being front page news.

This is a bizarre deflection.
 
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