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Germany: Migrants 'May Have Fuelled Violent Crime Rise'

If we try to be honest here, we could see that among the group we like to call refugees there are a significant number or people who are only seeking refugee status in order to migrate for wealth and not fleeing for their lives. Reason why most of this so-called refugees left their wives and children in the suppose war. Who the hall flee for their lives and leave his wife and children behind?

If you go in refugees camps you will see that children, women and people from countries in war are rare. Most are men from countries that are not really in war. For many women and children it is actually safer stay in the suppose war than to stay in refugee camps in Europe where they are highly likely to softer constant sexual assaults.

In my opinion, from the start the refugee program should focus on "women and children first". Real children and not 20, 30 or 40 years old men calling themselves as children.

1) We all know where refugees come from.
2) We all know where economic migrants come from.

It is not hard.

As for "women and children first" crap.. you dont know how the 3rd world thinks then. The road from war torn areas and the refugee camps around them.. to Europe is dangerous. Most families send the men first, because they know that their families eventually can come up here if accepted as refugees. That is why there are men among refugees.. not because they are fanatical terrorists. They are family men who dont want to put their wife and children through the horrific and highly dangerous journey to Europe.
 
Refugees are not migrants. Migrants move for wealth. Refugees flee for their lives. Stop bundling the two together.

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And many migrants fake being refugees, some are turned away, but others sneak through the cracks.
 
1) We all know where refugees come from.
2) We all know where economic migrants come from.

It is not hard.

As for "women and children first" crap.. you dont know how the 3rd world thinks then. The road from war torn areas and the refugee camps around them.. to Europe is dangerous. Most families send the men first, because they know that their families eventually can come up here if accepted as refugees. That is why there are men among refugees.. not because they are fanatical terrorists. They are family men who dont want to put their wife and children through the horrific and highly dangerous journey to Europe.

Where did you read "fanatic terrorists" in my post?

You are right when you confirm what I say about it being dangerous for women and children. As I said, they are highly likely to suffer several sexual abuse and other violence. And the reason for that is because the vast majority of people in refugee camps are no refugee men (statistically confirmed rapists), making it very hard for actual families, children and women (and real refugee) to escape from war zone.

Statistically speaking, more families (women and children) who are real refugee goes to countries like Brazil and anywhere where they feel safer, and in these countries refugees causes no terrorist attacks, no depredation in refugee camps, no sexual mob attack, rape and other crimes.



The vast majority of these men so-called refugees in Europe, they don't want go to any other country but only Germany, England and Scandinavian countries, otherwise they prefer go back to the supposed war where they left their families (because they are only seeking economic opportunists and not really fleeing for their lives).

I have been in refugee camps and I have talked to refugee. As I said, most of those so called refugee are not from war zones and are not fleeing for their lives. Most colleagues I had in Germany are from what you call as "3th world" (undeveloped countries) and many are refugees, so I know how they think.

On the other hand, statistics shows that urban violence in underdeveloped country kills more people than countries in war. For example, more people dies in Brazil because of urban violence in a couple of months than in Syria in a year. Similar with Mexico. But Brazilians and Mexicans are not considered refugees but economical migrants, no matter that most Brazilians that leaves the country is because of violence (fleeing for their safety).

I suppose north African Countries, Egypt and other countries that are not actually in a war may be similar to Brazil and Mexico, they are from violent countries where more people dies than in war countries but they are not refugee, and they fly to refugee camps in Europe, claiming to be Syrian refugee.
 
Where did you read "fanatic terrorists" in my post?

You are right when you confirm what I say about it being dangerous for women and children. As I said, they are highly likely to suffer several sexual abuse and other violence. And the reason for that is because the vast majority of people in refugee camps are no refugee men (statistically confirmed rapists), making it very hard for actual families, children and women (and real refugee) to escape from war zone.

Statistically speaking, more families (women and children) who are real refugee goes to countries like Brazil and anywhere where they feel safer, and in these countries refugees causes no terrorist attacks, no depredation in refugee camps, no sexual mob attack, rape and other crimes.

Sigh, you still dont get it... men go because the route is over the ****ing ocean and the chances of death by drowning is high. Have you already forgotten the pictures of dead babies in the surf? THAT is why men go first.

The vast majority of these men so-called refugees in Europe, they don't want go to any other country but only Germany, England and Scandinavian countries, otherwise they prefer go back to the supposed war where they left their families (because they are only seeking economic opportunists and not really fleeing for their lives).

Not many want to go to England.... it is a myth pushed by far right fanatics. Those that do want to go, have family there or come from former colonies.. of all which are not legit refugee countries... or they are Albanian.

I have been in refugee camps and I have talked to refugee. As I said, most of those so called refugee are not from war zones and are not fleeing for their lives. Most colleagues I had in Germany are from what you call as "3th world" (undeveloped countries) and many are refugees, so I know how they think.

Then they are not refugees and will be flagged as such. Then comes the process of kicking people out.. which is not easy due to no coordination with the EU.. thanks UK and Denmark..

On the other hand, statistics shows that urban violence in underdeveloped country kills more people than countries in war. For example, more people dies in Brazil because of urban violence in a couple of months than in Syria in a year. Similar with Mexico. But Brazilians and Mexicans are not considered refugees but economical migrants, no matter that most Brazilians that leaves the country is because of violence (fleeing for their safety).

Bold claim since there are no reliable stats coming out of war zones. Also not that many Brazilians leave..

I suppose north African Countries, Egypt and other countries that are not actually in a war may be similar to Brazil and Mexico, they are from violent countries where more people dies than in war countries but they are not refugee, and they fly to refugee camps in Europe, claiming to be Syrian refugee.

They can claim all they want.. they need to prove it.

Listen, the problem has been for decades, that each country in Europe has their own set of rules. That is why the UK has so many freaking Nigerian "refugees" that are dismissed else where in Europe. That is why Germany until recently accepted Egyptians as refugees.. not so any more. On top of that each country had its own deals with countries of origin.. which did not help the situation, especially in the smaller countries like Denmark.

I refuse to turn my back on legit refugees coming out of Syria... and I have zero sympathy for economic migrants coming out of Africa or elsewhere in the middle east. However it is classic far right wing tactic to lump them all in one basket and demand that we kick out all "brown people" or Muslims or whatever the minority of the year is and blame them for everything under the sun.. more crime.. has to be the migrants.. more rapes.. has to be the migrants. More child kidnappings.. must be the migrants, or gypsis or jews or aliens. The classic blame game.
 
Reuters news agency quoted criminology expert and study author Christian Pfeiffer as saying: "The situation is completely different for those who find out as soon as they arrive that they are totally undesirable here. No chance of working, of staying here."

In the Lower Saxony figures, 17% of crimes attributed to migrants were suspected of being committed by North Africans.

This group, which makes up less than 1% of the state's migrant population, has little chance of achieving legal status in Germany.

Germany: Migrants 'may have fuelled violent crime rise' - BBC News

Syrians and Iraqis are thought to be legitimate refugees but those refugees from North Africa are opportunistic economic migrants who have no chance of staying in Germany. I think Germany needs to deport this group of refugees as soon as possible before they have a chance to commit violent crimes. Crime figures published at the end of 2016 show that North Africans make up 20 percent of all convicted foreign criminals.

BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany’s upper house of parliament on Friday rejected a law already approved by the lower house to classify Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia as safe countries of origin that would make it easier to deport failed asylum seekers from those states.

The law, which passed through the Bundestag lower house in May, would have allowed authorities to speed up the processing of asylum seekers from those countries and then deport them if their applications were rejected.

But it failed to win a majority in the Bundesrat, or the states’ chamber. The government or the Bundestag can now contact the mediation committee to discuss possible ways of reaching an agreement, the Bundesrat said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...fricans-thwarted-by-upper-house-idUSKBN16H1UZ
 
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Sigh, you still dont get it... men go because the route is over the ****ing ocean and the chances of death by drowning is high. Have you already forgotten the pictures of dead babies in the surf? THAT is why men go first.



Not many want to go to England.... it is a myth pushed by far right fanatics. Those that do want to go, have family there or come from former colonies.. of all which are not legit refugee countries... or they are Albanian.



Then they are not refugees and will be flagged as such. Then comes the process of kicking people out.. which is not easy due to no coordination with the EU.. thanks UK and Denmark..



Bold claim since there are no reliable stats coming out of war zones. Also not that many Brazilians leave..



They can claim all they want.. they need to prove it.

Listen, the problem has been for decades, that each country in Europe has their own set of rules. That is why the UK has so many freaking Nigerian "refugees" that are dismissed else where in Europe. That is why Germany until recently accepted Egyptians as refugees.. not so any more. On top of that each country had its own deals with countries of origin.. which did not help the situation, especially in the smaller countries like Denmark.

I refuse to turn my back on legit refugees coming out of Syria... and I have zero sympathy for economic migrants coming out of Africa or elsewhere in the middle east. However it is classic far right wing tactic to lump them all in one basket and demand that we kick out all "brown people" or Muslims or whatever the minority of the year is and blame them for everything under the sun.. more crime.. has to be the migrants.. more rapes.. has to be the migrants. More child kidnappings.. must be the migrants, or gypsis or jews or aliens. The classic blame game.

You talk so much things away from evidence. You seem trapped in what Jonathan Haidt call as "motivated reasoning". People usually in this trap is in the stage playing for or against something. The way out of the trap is stepping out of the stage and just watch the play. Not being for or against anything but just watch where it stands in the stage.
 
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