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What Do Britain's Jews do to Combat Rising Antisemitism, Changing Demographics?

What do Britain's Jews do to Combat Rising Antisemitism & Changing Demographics?

  • Fight against Muslim encroachment into Jewish Neighborhoods

    Votes: 1 20.0%

  • Move out- Jewish flight

    Votes: 2 40.0%

  • Try to broker a change in Muslims views of Jewish people

    Votes: 1 20.0%

  • I have no opinion

    Votes: 1 20.0%
  • Total voters
    5
  • Poll closed .
PeteEU said:
Not exactly following you here. Negative comments against Israel or any nation/person, that is based on fact... has to be acceptable no? Just because Israel is full of Jews, and the holocaust card and all that.. does that mean they get a free pass for their actions? Of course not.
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I'll reiterate. I call it the donald trump test. If you would consider it racist for Trump to use the same rhetoric against Mexico, then you should not use the same rhetoric against Israel. Everyone has disagreements with every country, for example, China and their policy toward tibet. One would be racist, however, to delegitimize china as a state for chinese.

Criticise israeli policies all you want to. If you ever go to israel, you'll see the biggest zionists in the world, like Naftali Bennet or Avigdor Leiberman, criticising israeli policies. But if you delegitimize the state of Israel, that is of course antisemitic.
 
PeteEU said:
Only one problem...it specifically states that negative comments against the state of Israel is considered anti-Semitic. That is just wrong. It basically means Israel as a nation, its government and military can do what ever they want and hide behind "ohh you hate Jews" rhetoric. Being accused of anti-Semitism is usually a debate killer.
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Even the biggest zionists criticise Israeli policies. There are thousands of different policies, take your pick. But delegitimizing the state, which is what negative comments are, is antisemitism. The only people who can delegitimize Israel, and be logically consistent, are radical anarcho-communists who delegitimize all governments and believe in a borderless world.
 
HowardBThiname said:
The intent of the OP aside, we're seeing cultural clashes that we could be doing something to alleviate. It never hurts to understand how bigotry occurs and how we can minimize it. Whether the targets are Jews, Muslims or Native Americans, the way to greater understanding and acceptance comes in discouraging extremism of all kinds.
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I firmly believe that not tackling genuine inter-community issues, is what's at fault for the void being occupied by extreme elements. I like the work Prof Ted Cantle is doing on the topic of inter-community relations (A neglected field IMO)

Community Cohesion and Intercultural Relations | Professor Ted Cantle | Professor Ted Cantle
 
truthatallcost said:
Why did this thread touch such a nerve with people? I'm asking you because I think you're the one here who might give an honest answer.
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DP is, sad to say, awash with fools who believe that Islam must never, under any circumstances, be criticised. In particular that Islam's hatred of Jews must be resolutely ignored and any reference to it must be instantly branded as 'racism' or 'Islamophobia'. You and I seem to be the only ones who understand that condemning Islam is not the same thing as wishing ill towards Muslims, many of whom are personally good people.

With regard to the OP: British Jews living in largely Muslim areas have no option but to move. Here in Sweden the city of Malmö in now Judenrein, to use the word employed by an earlier generation of Nazis.
 
Sweden said:
DP is, sad to say, awash with fools who believe that Islam must never, under any circumstances, be criticised. In particular that Islam's hatred of Jews must be resolutely ignored and any reference to it must be instantly branded as 'racism' or 'Islamophobia'. You and I seem to be the only ones who understand that condemning Islam is not the same thing as wishing ill towards Muslims, many of whom are personally good people.

With regard to the OP: British Jews living in largely Muslim areas have no option but to move. Here in Sweden the city of Malmö in now Judenrein, to use the word employed by an earlier generation of Nazis.
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Thank you buddy, that was good to hear. I walk away sometimes from these threads out of frustration that many people posting here seem to hate me worse than they hate radical, violent religious movements that have killed thousands, and oppressed women, children, gays, and anyone else who is vulnerable. It gets disheartening sometimes, especially seeing many good posters forced out over the years. Glad you're still here! Thanks for the comment.
 
Sweden said:
DP is, sad to say, awash with fools who believe that Islam must never, under any circumstances, be criticised. In particular that Islam's hatred of Jews must be resolutely ignored and any reference to it must be instantly branded as 'racism' or 'Islamophobia'. You and I seem to be the only ones who understand that condemning Islam is not the same thing as wishing ill towards Muslims, many of whom are personally good people.

With regard to the OP: British Jews living in largely Muslim areas have no option but to move. Here in Sweden the city of Malmö in now Judenrein, to use the word employed by an earlier generation of Nazis.
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The trouble is, nothing in the opening post has been proved by providing even the smallest snippet of evidence. The link I provided put Muslim perpetrators on the lower end, and far right perpetrators accounting for 3 times as many. Have you got anything to say on That?
 
truthatallcost said:
Thank you buddy, that was good to hear. I walk away sometimes from these threads out of frustration that many people posting here seem to hate me worse than they hate radical, violent religious movements that have killed thousands, and oppressed women, children, gays, and anyone else who is vulnerable. It gets disheartening sometimes, especially seeing many good posters forced out over the years. Glad you're still here! Thanks for the comment.
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Show me one post or thread where anyone posting here expressed support for Radical Islamist groups?
 
gunner said:
Show me one post or thread where anyone posting here expressed support for Radical Islamist groups?
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I never said anyone praises Radical Islamists here. Look, it would have been perfectly acceptable here if I'd posted on rising antisemitism in the UK, if I'd laid blame on white Brits. I'd be patted on the back if I'd done that. You wouldn't complain, nor would Infinite Chaos, or any of the others.

But I cited a Jewish man, who says white Brits ain't the problem. No one here took issue with him, and he's the source of the damn story.

You've got a real problem over there gunner, someone's got your men's balls in their purse, and ya need to get em back.
 
gunner said:
The trouble is, nothing in the opening post has been proved by providing even the smallest snippet of evidence. The link I provided put Muslim perpetrators on the lower end, and far right perpetrators accounting for 3 times as many. Have you got anything to say on That?
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Have I got anything to say? Just the usual - that Islam is institutionally violently anti-Jewish. Islam, not just so-called 'radical' Islam, is suffused with hatred. If you wish to support a philosophy and creed that seeks the death of anyone who seeks to leave it you are free to do so. For my part I prefer Judaism which does not advocate the murder of gays, 'adulterous' women or 'blasphemers'.

Btw I think your 'Je suis Charlie' tag a particularly odious piece of hypocrisy. You slavishly support Islam at every opportunity.
 
truthatallcost said:
Thank you buddy, that was good to hear. I walk away sometimes from these threads out of frustration that many people posting here seem to hate me worse than they hate radical, violent religious movements that have killed thousands, and oppressed women, children, gays, and anyone else who is vulnerable. It gets disheartening sometimes, especially seeing many good posters forced out over the years. Glad you're still here! Thanks for the comment.
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We hate the terrorists, not the religion or all of its adherents.
 
truthatallcost said:
I never said anyone praises Radical Islamists here. Look, it would have been perfectly acceptable here if I'd posted on rising antisemitism in the UK, if I'd laid blame on white Brits. I'd be patted on the back if I'd done that. You wouldn't complain, nor would Infinite Chaos, or any of the others.

But I cited a Jewish man, who says white Brits ain't the problem. No one here took issue with him, and he's the source of the damn story.

You've got a real problem over there gunner, someone's got your men's balls in their purse, and ya need to get em back.
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Ooh, macho!
 
truthatallcost said:
I never said anyone praises Radical Islamists here. Look, it would have been perfectly acceptable here if I'd posted on rising antisemitism in the UK, if I'd laid blame on white Brits. I'd be patted on the back if I'd done that. You wouldn't complain, nor would Infinite Chaos, or any of the others.

But I cited a Jewish man, who says white Brits ain't the problem. No one here took issue with him, and he's the source of the damn story.

You've got a real problem over there gunner, someone's got your men's balls in their purse, and ya need to get em back.
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Did you see my link in post #41?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.in...ts-record-high-cst-research-a7861721.html?amp

Have a look at the groups of perpetrators. What do you notice?
 
Sweden said:
Have I got anything to say? Just the usual - that Islam is institutionally violently anti-Jewish. Islam, not just so-called 'radical' Islam, is suffused with hatred. If you wish to support a philosophy and creed that seeks the death of anyone who seeks to leave it you are free to do so. For my part I prefer Judaism which does not advocate the murder of gays, 'adulterous' women or 'blasphemers'.

Btw I think your 'Je suis Charlie' tag a particularly odious piece of hypocrisy. You slavishly support Islam at every opportunity.
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I slavishly support Islam :rofl:rofl
 
gunner said:
I firmly believe that not tackling genuine inter-community issues, is what's at fault for the void being occupied by extreme elements. I like the work Prof Ted Cantle is doing on the topic of inter-community relations (A neglected field IMO)

Community Cohesion and Intercultural Relations | Professor Ted Cantle | Professor Ted Cantle
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Your attitude towards 'Community Cohesion and Intercultural Relations' is to prostrate yourself before the grossly offensive philosophy of Islam. It is not so much the servile grovelling that revolts me but that you believe that you are carrying out some sort of virtue signalling.
 
Sweden said:
Have I got anything to say? Just the usual - that Islam is institutionally violently anti-Jewish. Islam, not just so-called 'radical' Islam, is suffused with hatred. If you wish to support a philosophy and creed that seeks the death of anyone who seeks to leave it you are free to do so. For my part I prefer Judaism which does not advocate the murder of gays, 'adulterous' women or 'blasphemers'.
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Which goes to show yet once again (seeing how you clearly have nothing to say on what was asked), that your primary interest here does not address recognition of any fact checking, but lies in delivering a rant (however justified or not) on a religion that you despise.

With no amount of non-sequiturs like these
Btw I think your 'Je suis Charlie' tag a particularly odious piece of hypocrisy. You slavishly support Islam at every opportunity.
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suited to hide such pathetic debate tactics.
 
gunner said:
I slavishly support Islam :rofl:rofl
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Beyond giving that stupid accusation of Sweden's a passing side sweep, I dismissed it as the idiocy it constitutes. Anyone in the know over how critical you have been on Islam here (respectively its unpalatable manifestations) sees that charge as being as absurd as it is.
 
Sweden said:
Your attitude towards 'Community Cohesion and Intercultural Relations' is to prostrate yourself before the grossly offensive philosophy of Islam. It is not so much the servile grovelling that revolts me but that you believe that you are carrying out some sort of virtue signalling.
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I find Christian philosophy offensive.
 
Chagos said:
Beyond giving that stupid accusation of Sweden's a passing side sweep, I dismissed it as the idiocy it constitutes. Anyone in the know over how critical you have been on Islam here (respectively its unpalatable manifestations) sees that charge as being as absurd as it is.
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I probably shouldn't have reacted, but thanks for the endorsement :cool:
 
Sweden said:
Your attitude towards 'Community Cohesion and Intercultural Relations' is to prostrate yourself before the grossly offensive philosophy of Islam. It is not so much the servile grovelling that revolts me but that you believe that you are carrying out some sort of virtue signalling.
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I would imagine my views/position on said issues would go straight over your head. Let alone talking philosophically about the subject.
 
gunner said:
I would imagine my views/position on said issues would go straight over your head. Let alone talking philosophically about the subject.
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Come on then. Let us have your 'thoughts' on, for example, the punishment of death for anyone brave enough to abandon Islam. Talk away, as philosophically as you please, about the relative merits of beheading, hanging or stoning.

Or perhaps you would prefer to throw around insults - much more your style.
 
Sweden said:
Come on then. Let us have your 'thoughts' on, for example, the punishment of death for anyone brave enough to abandon Islam. Talk away, as philosophically as you please, about the relative merits of beheading, hanging or stoning.

Or perhaps you would prefer to throw around insults - much more your style.
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Such practices in the name of Islam are abhorrent. Like Ayaan Hirsi Ali suggests: Islam is in need of a reformation. So what are you going to say now?
 
truthatallcost said:
The article was originally written in response to a proposed Islamic center opening in Golders Green, which contains many of London's Jewish residents, kosher shops, and draws much tourism from Jewish people.

How should Britain's Jews handle the changing demographics in light of the prevailing antisemitic believes of many in the Muslim community?
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I love how the alt-Right is deeply concerned about Jewish welfare so long as they say something bad about Muslims.
 
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