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3 Stabbed in Ireland by Egyptian National, Police Rush to Declare 'No Terrorism'

truthatallcost said:
To get back on topic, can you tell us what your definition of terrorism is then?
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One man's terrorists is another man's freedom fighter. The list of ex-terrorists who have ended up having tea with the Queen is a long one. If the killing of random people is the hallmark of terrorism then the USA has a big terrorism problem.
 
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zyzygy said:
One man's terrorists is another man's freedom fighter. The list of ex-terrorists who have ended up having tea with the Queen is a long one. If the killing of random people is the hallmark of terrorism then the USA has a big terrorism problem.
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It's not, of course. Maybe Morei really is just a mentally disturbed man who shouldn't have been allowed entrance to Ireland. Either way, the story illustrates the problem of lazy immigration practices.
 
truthatallcost said:
It's not, of course. Maybe Morei really is just a mentally disturbed man who shouldn't have been allowed entrance to Ireland. Either way, the story illustrates the problem of lazy immigration practices.
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What's not? You asked for a definition of terrorism. What is your definition?
 
A similar attack happened in a supermarket near my home here in Hamburg. The man acted as terrorist but he was just a mental ill from the neighborhood. Many more people died, but it wasn't a terrorist attack, which made many conservatives unhappy.
 
zyzygy said:
What's not? You asked for a definition of terrorism. What is your definition?
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the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political or religious aims.
 
C R O I X said:
A similar attack happened in a supermarket near my home here in Hamburg. The man acted as terrorist but he was just a mental ill from the neighborhood. Many more people died, but it wasn't a terrorist attack, which made many conservatives unhappy.
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The left rushes to classify these types of attacks as caused by mental illness, and the right sees them as terrorism. The problem many conservatives have is that most of the 'respectable' news agencies favor the left's politics, so they mimic those particular viewpoints.
But they are often wrong, such as in the case of the Nice, France attack. The perpetrator was a man who had been in contact with radical Islamists, some who had connections with IS, for many months. Yet the media, and our leftist posters here on DP, refused to admit that the man was an Islamic terrorist. They tried to steer the conversation into absurd topics like what food he liked to eat, and which alcohol he had consumed.
 
truthatallcost said:
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political or religious aims.
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So not the random killing of strangers. Thank you.
 
Still no reports of terrorism, though the arrested man Mohammed Morei is detained in a forensic psychiatric unit under treatment for mental illness, and unfit to plead. They're also trying to establish his nationality, so possibly not even Egyptian.
 
truthatallcost said:
The left rushes to classify these types of attacks as caused by mental illness, and the right sees them as terrorism. The problem many conservatives have is that most of the 'respectable' news agencies favor the left's politics, so they mimic those particular viewpoints.
But they are often wrong, such as in the case of the Nice, France attack. The perpetrator was a man who had been in contact with radical Islamists, some who had connections with IS, for many months. Yet the media, and our leftist posters here on DP, refused to admit that the man was an Islamic terrorist. They tried to steer the conversation into absurd topics like what food he liked to eat, and which alcohol he had consumed.
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Yeah well, that's what your narrative is of what actually happened on here.:roll:

What any of this has to do with either the Hamburg incident you're responding to or the Ireland incident being anyone's guess.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Still no reports of terrorism, though the arrested man Mohammed Morei is detained in a forensic psychiatric unit under treatment for mental illness, and unfit to plead. They're also trying to establish his nationality, so possibly not even Egyptian.
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What does his passport say?
 
truthatallcost said:
How'd he ever Ireland without a passport?
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How can you know the nationality on his passport but not how he got there?

He could have traveled from the British mainland to Belfast without needing a passport, then got a bus or train south.
 
Manc Skipper said:
How can you know the nationality on his passport but not how he got there?
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For the sake of proving that virtually anyone can waltz into Ireland undetected.

He could have traveled from the British mainland to Belfast without needing a passport, then got a bus or train south.
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Thanks.
 
truthatallcost said:
The left rushes to classify these types of attacks as caused by mental illness, and the right sees them as terrorism. The problem many conservatives have is that most of the 'respectable' news agencies favor the left's politics, so they mimic those particular viewpoints.
But they are often wrong, such as in the case of the Nice, France attack. The perpetrator was a man who had been in contact with radical Islamists, some who had connections with IS, for many months. Yet the media, and our leftist posters here on DP, refused to admit that the man was an Islamic terrorist. They tried to steer the conversation into absurd topics like what food he liked to eat, and which alcohol he had consumed.
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About the Hamburg case, the allegation of mental illness came because the perpetrator is well known in the neighborhood. The media only talked about mental illness after the police reporting it. Before the police report the media was talking just talking about a "attack".

You seems to be like the ones who wore unhappy because the perpetrator wasn't a terrorist.
 
truthatallcost said:
For the sake of proving that virtually anyone can waltz into Ireland undetected.

Thanks.
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The same way you don't need a passport to get in Texas from Louisiana, you don't need a passport to get in the Republic of Ireland from North Ireland, and you don't need a passport to get in the North Ireland from England (considering after and Brexit and before EU).

In South America you also can travel between countries in the Mercosul block without passport.
 
C R O I X said:
About the Hamburg case, the allegation of mental illness came because the perpetrator is well known in the neighborhood. The media only talked about mental illness after the police reporting it. Before the police report the media was talking just talking about a "attack".

You seems to be like the ones who wore unhappy because the perpetrator wasn't a terrorist.
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I'm not unhappy that the man hasn't been ruled a terrorist, I just don't trust much of what the media and foreign governments have to say about these types of crimes anymore. For example, in your country, wasn't their an initial cover up on the part of the police in Cologne in regards to the New Years Eve sexual assaults a few years ago? That is just one instance out of many.
 
C R O I X said:
The same way you don't need a passport to get in Texas from Louisiana, you don't need a passport to get in the Republic of Ireland from North Ireland, and you don't need a passport to get in the North Ireland from England (considering after and Brexit and before EU).

In South America you also can travel between countries in the Mercosul block without passport.
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Yes, but Texas and Louisiana are both states within the same country. Ireland is not a part of the United Kingdom, it is it's own sovereign nation. A better comparison would be if you were traveling from Texas into Mexico, or from the United States into Canada. Both of those procedures may require some documentation, although Canada is more strict with their border security.
 
truthatallcost said:
I'm not unhappy that the man hasn't been ruled a terrorist, I just don't trust much of what the media and foreign governments have to say about these types of crimes anymore. For example, in your country, wasn't their an initial cover up on the part of the police in Cologne in regards to the New Years Eve sexual assaults a few years ago? That is just one instance out of many.
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That is true we can't trust the media alone. This is why we should wait and listen to the police report, and in the case of Hamburg, the neighborhood report since the man was from the neighborhood.

Assuming everything based on pure racial/cultural/gender blame is as wrong as what you say about the media, if not the very same.
 
truthatallcost said:
Yes, but Texas and Louisiana are both states within the same country. Ireland is not a part of the United Kingdom, it is it's own sovereign nation. A better comparison would be if you were traveling from Texas into Mexico, or from the United States into Canada. Both of those procedures may require some documentation, although Canada is more strict with their border security.
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You should study history. Ireland has it political sovereignty and borders but has an other cultural and identity border and relationship that is not related to the political imaginary border line, that if not respected you create what Europeans created in Africa.
 
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C R O I X said:
That is true we can't trust the media alone. This is why we should wait and listen to the police report, and in the case of Hamburg, the neighborhood report since the man was from the neighborhood.

Assuming everything based on pure racial/cultural/gender blame is as wrong as what you say about the media, if not the very same.
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I suppose it's better to stay optimistic, like you say. Maybe I've become too biased following these reports, but I think many people remain a bit naive.
 
truthatallcost said:
I suppose it's better to stay optimistic, like you say. Maybe I've become too biased following these reports, but I think many people remain a bit naive.
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I don't mean stay optimistic because optimism may be the root of naive people. What I mean is trying to not have expectation (ether optimistic or negative) about facts.

It is ok to be suspicious based on previous experiences and information, but we have to be careful to not let our suspicion become a conclusion. And once we have a conclusion we tend to shut ourselves to new relevant and enlightening information (and investigation) about the facts.

And even after have a conclusion, I believe it is important to have in mind that conclusions can be changed with a new piece of information.
Today the police investigation may be indicating that the perpetrator is just a mental illness case. But tomorrow a new piece of evidence may show us that the man was in fact a terrorist. But by now all we have is that the guy is somebody with a mental issue.
 
truthatallcost said:
Yes, but Texas and Louisiana are both states within the same country. Ireland is not a part of the United Kingdom, it is it's own sovereign nation. A better comparison would be if you were traveling from Texas into Mexico, or from the United States into Canada. Both of those procedures may require some documentation, although Canada is more strict with their border security.
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Wrong. Northern Ireland is a part of the United Kingdom (UK). Eire (Southern Ireland) is a separate state, not part of the UK, but which has an open border with it's European neighbour. No passports or documents needed, just like Texas and Louisiana.
 
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