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Evilroddy

Evilroddy

Pragmatic, pugilistic, prancing, porcine politico.
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Sebastian Kurz Peoples Party has formed a coalition with the far-right Freedom Party. This coalition came seven months after Austria quietly ended laws banning the inclusion of such extremist parties into governing coalitions in April of 2017. The proliferation of authoritarian and far-right parties in Eastern and Central Europe is accelerating and now the process has secured a bridgehead into Western Europe too.

Is the Kurz coalition a good idea or a necessary concession to pragmatic realpolitik? Or is this going to bite Western Europe in the backside and become a real political and cultural trend which spreads? Could a reverse ideological Anschluss result from this as acceptance and normalisation of far-right political parties in positions of power lowers Germany's societal and legal barriers to the legitimisation of the far-right in Europe's most powerful ecomomy? Why am I hearing the suscerations of "Lili Marleen" in the back of my head and seeing old stock newsreel B&W footage of marches and parades in my mind's eye?

Marlene Dietrich - Lili Marleen - YouTube

Will we come full circle and plunge ourselves once again over the edge of Nietzsche's abyss in just 80 years? Or are we wiser than that?

Trembling.
Evilroddy.
 
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What did people think was going to happen? Swing too far to the left and society will swing too far to the right, sooner or later. Allow hundreds of thousands of people from an entirely different culture to invade Europe, and this is going to be the result. Not saying it is the right result, before anyone accuses me of being...ta da, drum roll...a Nazi...just what was obviously going to happen. The rise of the far-right is the fault of the far-left.
 
Evilroddy said:
Sebastian Kurz Peoples Party has formed a coalition with the far-right Freedom Party. This coalition came seven months after Austria quietly ended laws banning the inclusion of such extremist parties into governing coalitions in April of 2017. The proliferation of authoritarian and far-right parties in Eastern and Central Europe is accelerating and now the process has secured a bridgehead into Western Europe too.

Is the Kurz coalition a good idea or a necessary concession to pragmatic realpolitik? Or is this going to bite Western Europe in the backside and become a real political and cultural trend which spreads? Could a reverse ideological Anschluss result from this as acceptance and normalisation of far-right political parties in positions of power lowers Germany's societal and legal barriers to the legitimisation of the far-right in Europe's most powerful ecomomy? Why am I hearing the suscerations of "Lili Marleen" in the back of my head and seeing old stock newsreel B&W footage of marches and parades in my mind's eye?

Marlene Dietrich - Lili Marleen - YouTube

Will we come full circle and plunge ourselves once again over the edge of Nietzsche's abyss in just 80 years? Or are we wiser than that?

Trembling.
Evilroddy.
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In any event, the EU has decided not to punish Austria the way they did last time. Also, the German public broadcasting system seems to have decided to stop calling those parties' extremist or radical I have noticed and now speak of a conservative right.
 
LadyMoonlight said:
What did people think was going to happen? Swing too far to the left and society will swing too far to the right, sooner or later. Allow hundreds of thousands of people from an entirely different culture to invade Europe, and this is going to be the result. Not saying it is the right result, before anyone accuses me of being...ta da, drum roll...a Nazi...just what was obviously going to happen. The rise of the far-right is the fault of the far-left.
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Invade??? No one has invaded, lol. And when has Austria ever been too far to the left?
 
joG said:
In any event, the EU has decided not to punish Austria the way they did last time. Also, the German public broadcasting system seems to have decided to stop calling those parties' extremist or radical I have noticed and now speak of a conservative right.
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JoG:

You've hit the nail on the head. The normalisation and acceptance of the far right is the real danger here and it being done while spreading the false narrative that Europe is too leftist. Europe hasn't been too leftist since the death of Lenin in 1925 and the death of Tito in 1975. Europe today is a slightly left of centre society with a slightly right of centre economic structure. Europe is centrist and not extremely leftist at all. Leftist extremism only resides in the extreme margins of European society and is far from power as has been seen in the latest French elections while right-wing extremism is insinuating itself into the halls of power once again.

This normalisation of right-wing extremism is not just limited to Europe but is spreading in Asia, Latin America, Africa and even here in North America.

I leave you all with an absurd but telling video from Japan which makes this clear in a bizarre sort of way. Girls und Panzer as a vector for resurrecting a suppressed public menace in a remilitarising Japan. Coincidence? I think not.

Panzerlied - YouTube

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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Evilroddy said:
JoG:

You've hit the nail on the head. The normalisation and acceptance of the far right is the real danger here and it being done while spreading the false narrative that Europe is too leftist. Europe hasn't been too leftist since the death of Lenin in 1925 and the death of Tito in 1975. Europe today is a slightly left of centre society with a slightly right of centre economic structure. Europe is centrist and not extremely leftist at all. Leftist extremism only resides in the extreme margins of European society and is far from power as has been seen in the latest French elections while right-wing extremism is insinuating itself into the halls of power once again.

This normalisation of right-wing extremism is not just limited to Europe but is spreading in Asia, Latin America, Africa and even here in North America.

I leave you all with an absurd but telling video from Japan which makes this clear in a bizarre sort of way. Girls und Panzer as a vector for resurrecting a suppressed public menace in a remilitarising Japan. Coincidence? I think not.

Panzerlied - YouTube

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Seems like WW2 was not enough for the message to sink in.
 
LadyMoonlight said:
What did people think was going to happen? Swing too far to the left and society will swing too far to the right, sooner or later. Allow hundreds of thousands of people from an entirely different culture to invade Europe, and this is going to be the result. Not saying it is the right result, before anyone accuses me of being...ta da, drum roll...a Nazi...just what was obviously going to happen. The rise of the far-right is the fault of the far-left.
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I "liked" your post, but can I also like your signature line? The problem with being someone who is simply concerned that his country and culture is in jeopardy from mass immigration of those whose culture is vastly different from ours is that we look around at those equally worried and see mostly bigoted skin-heads. Where are the rest of us who just want to stop and reassess before continuing with a policy of cultural suicide?
 
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