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Russian network used Venezuelan accounts to deepen Catalan crisis

CletusWilbury

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Russian network used Venezuelan accounts to deepen Catalan crisis Madrid 11 NOV 2017

An analysis of five million messages reveals that RT and Sputnik used social networks to spread a negative image of Spain

Two media outlets linked to the Kremlin, RT and Sputnik, made use of a large number of accounts on social networks related to Venezuela and chavismo in order to propagate a negative image of Spain in the days running up to and after the October 1 referendum on independence in Catalonia. That’s according to a detailed analysis of more than five million messages carried out by George Washington University in the United States. The report warns of the “serious crisis of political and economic reputation in Spain and the EU.”
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To carry out the study, researchers used an advanced software program that makes use of Spanish technology to measure and analyze big data. Its author, Javier Lesaca, is a visiting scholar at the School of Media and Public Affairs at George Washington University. He has analyzed a total of 5,029,877 messages on Twitter, Facebook and other social networks that used the terms Cataluña, Catalunya and Catalonia between September 29 and October 5.

“The most surprising thing about the investigation has been the discovery of an entire army of zombie accounts that are perfectly coordinated and that are dedicated to sharing content generated by RT and Sputnik in diverse digital conversations, which go from Syria and the United States to Catalonia,” Lesaca explains. “There is evidence to suggest that the pattern of digital disruption that has been detected in digital debates about the elections in the United States or Brexit has also been seen in Catalonia, and that the authors of this disruption are the very same.”
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The deep state runs all the way to Madrid.
 
Russian network used Venezuelan accounts to deepen Catalan crisis Madrid 11 NOV 2017



The deep state runs all the way to Madrid.

Spain has done a fine job of making an ass of itself. They didn't need any help from Russia. News is news and and what news organizations are supposed to spread, well, excepting the USA MSM, which is agenda driven by NEOCON scumbags. Speaking of Venezuela, the USA embargo against it is illegal and an attempt to bankrupt a Democratic Nation. We have invaded Syria. We admitted to supporting al Qeda/NusraFront/ISIS/Ahrar al sham/Jabhat al Sham. Maybe your news hasn't been working for you. It's all OK, they're just scrubbing out the naked truths and replacing them with well dressed truths. Put your head back in the hile,. It beckons.
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Spain has done a fine job of making an ass of itself. They didn't need any help from Russia. News is news and and what news organizations are supposed to spread, well, excepting the USA MSM, which is agenda driven by NEOCON scumbags. Speaking of Venezuela, the USA embargo against it is illegal and an attempt to bankrupt a Democratic Nation. We have invaded Syria. We admitted to supporting al Qeda/NusraFront/ISIS/Ahrar al sham/Jabhat al Sham. Maybe your news hasn't been working for you. It's all OK, they're just scrubbing out the naked truths and replacing them with well dressed truths. Put your head back in the hile,. It beckons.
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While I also believe that Spain has acted extremely badly and probably even stupidly, I believe you err regarding Venezuela in every way.
 
Russian network used Venezuelan accounts to deepen Catalan crisis Madrid 11 NOV 2017



The deep state runs all the way to Madrid.

I'm surprised anyone is surprised about this. Maybe it's an age and education thing. The Russians are busy in every country causing instability, and now it's easier than ever because they don't just have to just influence educators, journalists, and opinion pushers, but they have the internet to pitch directly into the hearts and minds of Americans who have been duped into "having love in their hearts" and not taking our enemies seriously.

Hell, DP is large enough, we probably are on the Russian's radar.
 
CletusWilbury:

The deep state or deep establishment is transnational in nature and can be found anywhere there is concentrated capital and persons willing to cooperate with its ever shifting agendas in return for money and influence/power. It now stretches across oceans and deserts and moves wth the speed of electronic transactions. Madrid, London, Paris, Berlin, Beijing, Washington, Riyadh, etc. are all branch offices of a this insidious and dangerous mindset called the deep establishment.

Regarding Russia and its alleged use of Venezuelan social media sites, welcome to the new media paradigm of peer-to-peer news and reportage, where fact and opinion/disinformation vie for dominance in the public's minds. I am certain that Western and American states do the same things around the globe and I have seen this personally in the case of Venezuela since the death of Hugo Chavez. The response in America should not be outrage but rather a firm resolution to teach voters in free democracies and representative republics how to differentiate between malarkey and fact.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
From El Mundo:
The Spanish government has established Russian and Venezuelan hackers were involved in the Catalonian crisis and will raise this issue at the EU’s Council of Foreign Ministers on Monday, Spanish government spokesman Íñigo Méndez de Vigo, and Defence Minister María Dolores de Cospedal announced.

“This is a serious matter, where democracy must confront the challenges of new technology” Mendendez de Vigo said after a meeting of the Spanish Council of Ministers. "It is a matter of top priority in the next EU Council of Foreign Ministers to be held in Brussels, where Spanish Foreign Minister Alfonso Dastis will raise the issue”, he announced. “We believe the EU must take this matter very seriously. The EU is constituted as a community of law premised on constitutional order, it should not be possible for unknown foreign forces to alter our constitutional order."

"What our government has determined is that many messages and online interventions have taken place through social media originating in Russian territory” the Defence Minister said. “We haven’t been able to establish whether the government of Russia was involved”, he noted. "Therefore we must proceed with caution to establish the actual source and participants, we are working on that” he added. Government sources latter noted one of the sources was found to be Venezuela.

Hackers in Russia and Venezuela spread false news relating to Catalonia and Spain. For example, they reported demands for independence from the Balearic Islands and that Spanish is not allowed in Catalonian public schools. The false information relating to Catalonia has grown exponentially since the outset of the institutional crisis there. According to a spokesman for the Partido Popular the hackers messages are all in support of secession and false, he felt their aim is to destabilize the EU."
Apparently this was something that had been detected before the more recent crisis, there have been reports from France of similar online messaging aimed at interfering with the recent elections there too.

It seems 'natural' for a rival undemocratic power to try to interfere with elections through the internet, the degree to which Russian trolls succeed just depends on their credibility, how well they use the language and familiarity with local idiosyncrases. Right here on this forum one comes across some posters who don't appear to be who they claim to be, nor posting from where they say they are. Administrators of sites like this can identify the geographic source of postings through ISP numbers, but proxy ISPs can be easily and inexpensively acquired.

To the degree interference is sophisticated, coordinated among different participants, with covert efforts to conceal provenance it becomes reasonable to fault the government at their source and to suspect their malicious involvement.

Hosts who allow online posting should be required to include a "verified profile" of their posters which detailed what information their users have provided has been verified by the site's administration.

Posters and users of social media need to realize this is just as with advertising, there's a lot of falsehood, but that unlike with advertising -there's no penalty.
 
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Buy the time Putin/Xi are done lending more money to the Maduro regime to avoid defaulting in December, they'll pretty much own most of Venezuela's national oil company (in the US we know it as Citgo). It's the only asset left that Maduro can use as loan collateral.
 
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I am certain that Western and American states do the same things around the globe and I have seen this personally in the case of Venezuela since the death of Hugo Chavez.
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I agree. Evidence is strong the U.S. encouraged the failed coup against Chavez. Chavez committed the sin of nationalizing US corporate assets.
 
Plus Ultra:

Hosts who allow online posting should be required to include a "verified profile" of their posters which detailed what information their users have provided has been verified by the site's administration.

A bad idea to my mind. This would effectively deny the right to free speech of legitimate posters and readers who wish to remain anonymous while at the same time it would not really stop institutional trolls and corporate or state backers from doing what they do by using sophisticated spoof strategies. A better pathway is to have such sites commit to posting and reminding posters and readers to be critical and discerning in their use of social media sites and the content therein. The notion of, "There ought'a be a law.", often stifles legitimate activity more than it combats illegitimate activity. In the agora of ideas, the Wild West is better than A Brave New World, despite having to deal with odious ideas and ingenuous posters with malicious intentions.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
The Russian disinformation effort in Spain was apparently quite sophisticated:
Europe is at war. Digital war. And it’s very much the same fight that’s taken place in the United States: facing an attack meant to sow distrust, heighten divisions, and undermine established democratic processes.

Here’s a chilling fact: At the height of the Catalan separatist crisis, analysis of more than 5 million messages about Catalonia posted on social networks between Sept. 29 and Oct. 5, shows that only 3% come from real profiles outside the Russian and Venezuelan cybernetworks. These are the conclusions of a report prepared by Javier Lesaca, visiting scholar at the School of Media and Public Affairs at George Washington University.

And there’s more: 32% of the messages investigated came from Venezuela—accounts linked to the Chavista regime of Nicolás Maduro. Thirty percent were born from anonymous accounts exclusively dedicated to contents of the Russian state media RT and Sputnik; 25% came from bots; and 10% from the official accounts of the two Russian media mentioned.

On the same dates, the geolocation data offered by social networks such as Twitter or Facebook show similar results: Excluding Spain, 13% of those who shared RT’s information about the illegal referendum in Catalonia were in Venezuela.

Based on these data, the newspaper El País concluded on Nov. 11 that, the “Russian network used Venezuelan accounts to deepen the Catalan crisis.” Hours later the government of Spain claimed that it has well-founded information that confirms a large number of messages with a Catalan secessionist bias in social networks comes from “Russian territory.” The possibility of Venezuelan involvement was left open.

What sort of fake news items are we talking about? Sputnik and RT played up the confrontations in Barcelona the day of the referendum that Madrid declared illegal, of course: “Police violence against peaceful voters.” But the website EUvsDisinfo.eu, created by Brussels to monitor “fake news” of Russian origin and respond to it, registered such propagandistic (and implausible) headlines as “Catalonia will recognize Crimea as part of Russia,” “Spanish is studied as a foreign language in Catalonia,” “European officials supported the violence in Catalonia,” or, “Also the Balearic Islands in Spain ask for independence,” a news item signed by the Russian agency Sputnik.

The propaganda campaign of Russian origin has not ceased, although it has been weeks since the referendum and the Spanish government’s response applying Article 155 of the Spanish constitution, which partially suspended the Catalan self-government, in order to call new regional elections in December.

The manipulative drift of RT led to the truly hysterical headline on Oct. 28: “Tanks in the streets of Barcelona: Spain and Catalonia on the verge of a violent outcome.”

There was no tank on any street in Barcelona, nor any violent outcome of any kind.

According to Spanish counterintelligence sources consulted by the investigative website El Confidencial Digital, the detailed analysis of information on Spain and Catalonia published on Russian media platforms in recent months shows that Russian disinformation is “shameless.” The newspaper adds that “in the moments of greatest activity,” up to 50 false or biased stories about the Catalan convert appeared each day.

On Thursday, Nov. 23, an expert from the Elcano Royal Institute, Mira Milosevic-Juaristi, appeared in the Spanish Parliament to analyze the results of her investigations into Russian interference in Spain’s affairs. According to the institute’s data, the presence of Catalonia in social networks increased by 2000 percent in September, while some messages from Julian Assange—suddenly converted to a leader favoring Catalan independence—were retweeted up to 60 times per second, which is only possibly using bots.

Milosevic-Juaristi believes that the “complexity of the technological means used” rules out the possibility that the messages may come “from an isolated individual or a patriot” and is inclined to see a “planned strategy” that has the “support of agencies close to the [Russian] government.”

Why would Russia want to interfere in Spanish territorial problems? Milosevic-Juaristi concludes that the Russian objective has not been the independence of Catalonia, as such. Rather, the Kremlin found in the secessionist cause an opportunity to “weaken” the European Union and “discredit” the European democracies.

Finally, Milosevic-Juaristi recalled that since 2014, Russia has included the “information war” in its official military doctrine. A war financed by the Kremlin that has as propaganda generators RT or Sputnik, which rely on its intelligence services, and that can spread its message through thousands of false profiles on social networks.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-is...-war-in-europe
 
Spain has done a fine job of making an ass of itself. They didn't need any help from Russia. News is news and and what news organizations are supposed to spread, well, excepting the USA MSM, which is agenda driven by NEOCON scumbags. Speaking of Venezuela, the USA embargo against it is illegal and an attempt to bankrupt a Democratic Nation. We have invaded Syria. We admitted to supporting al Qeda/NusraFront/ISIS/Ahrar al sham/Jabhat al Sham. Maybe your news hasn't been working for you. It's all OK, they're just scrubbing out the naked truths and replacing them with well dressed truths. Put your head back in the hile,. It beckons.
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i just wander is anybody here reads your Olgino crazy diarrhea? everyone knows , sees that your TV.ru does toward Spain

Russian interference seen in Catalonia crisis - Washington Times
https://www.washingtontimes.com/.../russian-interference-seen-...

2 okt. 2017 - Russian propagandists scored a victory in Spain this weekend after "boldly injecting fake news and disinformation" into the debate over Catalonian ... Eastern European, or Russian, troll farms and robotic accounts then use algorithms to make “emotional hot-button topics” trend across a country's Internet ...
 
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