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UK- Asylum Seekers Raped Children in Newcastle

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Four men have been jailed for up to 12 and a half years each for their involvement in a sex grooming network in Newcastle. The men were all asylum seekers from either Iran or Iraq, and three had been granted leave to remain in the UK. As they are not British citizens, they are likely to be deported once they have served their prison sentences.

Newcastle crown court heard that the gang contacted their female victims, who were aged 13-16, on Facebook to discuss sex parties and on one occasion demanded sex in return for paying for a tattoo.

The case was part of Operation Sanctuary, Northumbria police’s investigation into the sexual exploitation of children and adults with vulnerabilities. Earlier this year, the operation led to the conviction and jailing of 18 people for grooming offences. At the time, police said they had identified as many as 278 potential victims as part of Operation Sanctuary.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...iled-sex-grooming-network-operation-sanctuary
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Asylum seekers are using Facebook to find English children to drug and rape. Has this experiment in multiculturalism worked out well for England? I can't imagine that the common Brit feels that receiving cheap laborers in exchange for having their children drugged and raped was really a great deal to make. Maybe it's just Labour party officials who are content with that arrangement?
 
truthatallcost said:
Asylum seekers are using Facebook to find English children to drug and rape. Has this experiment in multiculturalism worked out well for England? I can't imagine that the common Brit feels that receiving cheap laborers in exchange for having their children drugged and raped was really a great deal to make. Maybe it's just Labour party officials who are content with that arrangement?
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Care to show us any examples of nations that did well as a result of resisting multiculturalism?
 
truthatallcost said:
Asylum seekers are using Facebook to find English children to drug and rape. Has this experiment in multiculturalism worked out well for England?
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The asylum system has nothing to do with multiculturalism. You should really seek to understand the relevant terms if you want to discuss a topic.

truthatallcost said:
I can't imagine that the common Brit feels that receiving cheap laborers in exchange for having their children drugged and raped was really a great deal to make.
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Nobody made that deal. Why do you feel the need to lie? Can you not make whatever point you're trying to honestly?

truthatallcost said:
Maybe it's just Labour party officials who are content with that arrangement?
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I've no idea where that came from. What is the purpose of your slander?
 
HonestJoe said:
The asylum system has nothing to do with multiculturalism. You should really seek to understand the relevant terms if you want to discuss a topic.

Nobody made that deal. Why do you feel the need to lie? Can you not make whatever point you're trying to honestly?

I've no idea where that came from. What is the purpose of your slander?
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It's just another one of his xenophobic rants.

He doesn't want any "furriners" (especially those non-Caucasian) in his backyard and thinks he'd better start preventing it by going across the pond first.

In the process showing, as usual, his utter ignorance as well as the habitual dishonesty we're all supposed to become accustomed to.
 
Chagos said:
It's just another one of his xenophobic rants.

He doesn't want any "furriners" (especially those non-Caucasian) in his backyard and thinks he'd better start preventing it by going across the pond first.

In the process showing, as usual, his utter ignorance as well as the habitual dishonesty we're all supposed to become accustomed to.
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So, the story is fake? Did asylum seekers rape British kids or did they not? (Btw, you forgot a perfunctory, "As much as I sympathize this the victims.....".)
 
truthatallcost said:
The cultural divide is too great in some instances, and we're certainly seeing that today in the UK.
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No, we are not seeing, you are.

And on account of you having repeatedly demonstrated your ignorance over Europe in general and its individual countries in particular, what you "see" holds no relevance.
 
stevecanuck said:
So, the story is fake? Did asylum seekers rape British kids or did they not? (Btw, you forgot a perfunctory, "As much as I sympathize this the victims.....".)
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I don't need you to tell me the levels of my sympathy, thank you very much.

Same as I don't need to answer stupid questions, prevaricatingly designed to show anyone denying anything.

Play your silly games with somebody else (again, thank you very much), and, while you do that, your syntax needs seeing to as well.
 
stevecanuck said:
So, the story is fake? Did asylum seekers rape British kids or did they not? (Btw, you forgot a perfunctory, "As much as I sympathize this the victims.....".)
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Nobody suggested the story is fake, we're only challenging the OP's wider interpretation and presentation of it.
 
HonestJoe said:
The asylum system has nothing to do with multiculturalism. You should really seek to understand the relevant terms if you want to discuss a topic.

Nobody made that deal. Why do you feel the need to lie? Can you not make whatever point you're trying to honestly?

I've no idea where that came from. What is the purpose of your slander?
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While many of the British posters on the board choose to split hairs over terminology, foreign gangs that traffic in sex slavery are preying on English children.

Simply put, I don't give a **** if my wording wasn't perfect. :peace
 
truthatallcost said:
While many of the British posters on the board choose to split hairs over terminology, foreign gangs that traffic in sex slavery are preying on English children.

Simply put, I don't give a **** if my wording wasn't perfect. :peace
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People are more concerned with the not rape that happened to a 14 year old by a Republican.
 
The USA has it's own problem with child rapes and sex slavery.

It recently hit home with me when I was listening to a young lady from Virginia Beach talking on Tony Macrini's talk AM 790 morning show about funding a shelter for ex sex slaves. There are over 100,000 young sex slaves right here at home.

https://thebutterfly.house/human-trafficking-facts/

The wife and I have cut a $100.00 check for the latest fundraiser. It's not much, but every little bit helps.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Again, can you show any examples of nations that did well as a result of resisting multiculturalism?
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This really isn't a case of resisting multiculturalism. It's a case of insisting that all who immigrate to a country agree to abide by that nation's laws and codes above all else, including any religious tenets that might be in opposition to the laws and codes of the host nation.

People of all races and religions rape but some (sub)cultures actually use rape as a method of control. This is a cultural throwback to a time when rape was considered as just one of many ways to subvert an enemy.

The West, for the most part, has evolved beyond that disgusting idea, and the laws of western nations reflect that evolution. When non-westerners immigrate from nations where that ideal still holds sway, we can see a culture shock, which we've increasingly seeing.

The way western host countries can stop the infiltration of an undesirable subculture is to set stricter assimilation standards for immigrants so they know, in no unsure terms, that cultural norms that may have been tolerated in the nations from which they emigrated, will not be tolerated in the host nation.

Immigrants should undergo a probationary period during which any infractions of host laws will be punished on a greater scale than those of a native or an immigrant who has successfully completed probation with no violations.

Making excuses for this type of cultural misbehavior is akin to encouraging further rapes. Those who do it are typically closet misogynists.
 
truthatallcost said:
While many of the British posters on the board choose to split hairs over terminology, foreign gangs that traffic in sex slavery are preying on English children.

Simply put, I don't give a **** if my wording wasn't perfect. :peace
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The ultimate cop-out of all incapable of presenting a coherent argument, let alone an honest one.

Unless you can back up your accusation, it remains balderdash. No amount of gish galloping gets you around that.
 
HowardBThiname said:
This really isn't a case of resisting multiculturalism. It's a case of insisting that all who immigrate to a country agree to abide by that nation's laws and codes above all else, including any religious tenets that might be in opposition to the laws and codes of the host nation.

People of all races and religions rape but some (sub)cultures actually use rape as a method of control. This is a cultural throwback to a time when rape was considered as just one of many ways to subvert an enemy.

The West, for the most part, has evolved beyond that disgusting idea, and the laws of western nations reflect that evolution. When non-westerners immigrate from nations where that ideal still holds sway, we can see a culture shock, which we've increasingly seeing.

The way western host countries can stop the infiltration of an undesirable subculture is to set stricter assimilation standards for immigrants so they know, in no unsure terms, that cultural norms that may have been tolerated in the nations from which they emigrated, will not be tolerated in the host nation.

Immigrants should undergo a probationary period during which any infractions of host laws will be punished on a greater scale than those of a native or an immigrant who has successfully completed probation with no violations.

Making excuses for this type of cultural misbehavior is akin to encouraging further rapes. Those who do it are typically closet misogynists.
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Rape is repulsive, irrespective of whether the rapist is a citizen or immigrant. It's still rape. Still vile. Deportation is always an option in addition to the standard penalty for non citizens and I have no issues with that but I do not support a lesser penalty based purely on citizenship status. The penalty for the actual crime itself (incarceration time) should be the same.
 
Serenity said:
Rape is repulsive, irrespective of whether the rapist is a citizen or immigrant. It's still rape. Still vile. Deportation is always an option in addition to the standard penalty for non citizens and I have no issues with that but I do not support a lesser penalty based purely on citizenship status. The penalty for the actual crime itself (incarceration time) should be the same.
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All probationary periods provide enhanced punishments/consequences for those who offend during their probation, whether it's probation for a new job or probation after a criminal act. That's the purpose of probation. It reinforces the need to abide strictly by the laws.

Since immigrating to a host nation involves a time of learning to assimilate, it would be beneficial for these people to be on probation as well, until such time passes that they're good behavior removes them from probation.

There's nothing wrong with that.
 
HowardBThiname said:
All probationary periods provide enhanced punishments/consequences for those who offend during their probation, whether it's probation for a new job or probation after a criminal act. That's the purpose of probation. It reinforces the need to abide strictly by the laws.

Since immigrating to a host nation involves a time of learning to assimilate, it would be beneficial for these people to be on probation as well, until such time passes that they're good behavior removes them from probation.

There's nothing wrong with that.
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I was pretty clear in my initial response as to my position. Can you clarify yours please?

Do you support a greater penalty (incarceration time) for a convicted rapist if they are an immigrant rather than if it was someone who holds citizenship? Is that what you are actually arguing?
 
truthatallcost said:
While many of the British posters on the board choose to split hairs over terminology, foreign gangs that traffic in sex slavery are preying on English children.

Simply put, I don't give a **** if my wording wasn't perfect. :peace
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I wasn't challenging your wording, I was challenging to fundamental lack of understanding of reality that it demonstrated. You didn't write "multiculturalism" by mistake, you wrote it because you truly thought it was relevant here. You didn't repeat the lie about accepting the rape of children in return for cheap labour by mistake, you really wanted to make that accusation. You didn't mention "Labour party officials" by mistake, you really wanted to spin a partisan political attack in to this for some reason.

If you really cared about the victims of this kind of crime (both British and foreign), there are constructive ways you can do something about it - for example, there are all sorts of charitable organisations set up to support them. This kind thread doesn't help anyone and if anything it can cause harm, feeding the misinformation and misdirection which leads to whole groups of often innocent people being tarred with the crimes of a minority and a whole load of actual criminals being ignored because they don't fit the stereotypes.
 
Chagos said:
I don't need you to tell me the levels of my sympathy, thank you very much.

Same as I don't need to answer stupid questions, prevaricatingly designed to show anyone denying anything.

Play your silly games with somebody else (again, thank you very much), and, while you do that, your syntax needs seeing to as well.
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So, was that a yes or a no? Oh wait, I forgot you never actually answer questions. My bad.
 
HonestJoe said:
Nobody suggested the story is fake, we're only challenging the OP's wider interpretation and presentation of it.
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Presentation? People who were brought into the country to get them out of a war zone say thank you by raping children, and you're worried about "presentation"?
 
stevecanuck said:
Presentation? People who were brought into the country to get them out of a war zone say thank you by raping children, and you're worried about "presentation"?
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Presentation is more significant when discussing important issues like this. Or do you think it's OK for people to misrepresent things and play politics with people's lives?
 
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