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Fox News' Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson programs violated Britain's broadcast standards, watchdog

Fishking said:
So full-on censorship. Got it. The government controlling the messaging has always been a very beneficial thing for the plebs.
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The government is not controlling messaging.. quite the opposite.
 
Dragon Eye said:
You've gone from there is no news opinion television programming in Europe to there is some in just a matter of minutes. I'd call that progress. :mrgreen:
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No, I have said quite clearly that I cant put my finger on something similar as Hannity and the rights "opinion" show type in the English speaking European News area. Journalists speaking their opinion is quite rare over here and only really happens in talk shows where they are the guest, not the host.
 
PeteEU said:
The government is not controlling messaging.. quite the opposite.
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How much of a difference is it? Controlling the message, or controlling which messages are allowed?

They seem to be twins from the same mother.
 
truthatallcost said:
Hmmm...didn't the mayor of London legally represent a radical Muslim who praised the holocaust?

Sean Hannity is the least of your worries. You've been co-opted by your future masters.
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Sadiq Khan is not part of the government. I thought you said you knew more than me??

Khan used to be a lawyer, so he may have represented this person. I know you don't like Muslims, but they are still entitled to a fair trial.
 
eohrnberger said:
How much of a difference is it? Controlling the message, or controlling which messages are allowed?

They seem to be twins from the same mother.
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But they're not controlling which messages are allowed. Nothing in PeteEU's post came close to saying that.
 
Aristaeus said:
No. How on earth did you get censorship from that? Hannity and anyone else is allowed to express their opinion as long as they don't call it a news show (news being the reporting of facts).
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They don't call it news.
 
Aristaeus said:
Sadiq Khan is not part of the government. I thought you said you knew more than me??

Khan used to be a lawyer, so he may have represented this person. I know you don't like Muslims, but they are still entitled to a fair trial.
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And what of the numerous sex grooming gangs that were covered up by police, at the direction of local governments? Men and women resigned their posts over those, ya know, after it was found out that they would rather let impoverished kids be raped and sold, than risk being accused of racism for investigating predatory sexual gangs of Pakistani origin.
 
truthatallcost said:
And what of the numerous sex grooming gangs that were covered up by police, at the direction of local governments? Men and women resigned their posts over those, ya know, after it was found out that they would rather let impoverished kids be raped and sold, than risk being accused of racism for investigating predatory sexual gangs of Pakistani origin.
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Sounds like what we did to native people's kids in boarding schools in the 19th and 20th centuries don't it.
 
PeteEU said:
No, I have said quite clearly that I cant put my finger on something similar as Hannity and the rights "opinion" show type in the English speaking European News area. Journalists speaking their opinion is quite rare over here andonly really happens in talk shows where they are the guest, not the host.
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Ah well then my apologies. I thought you had also claimed that these types of shows were not clearly disclosed with standard disclaimers when of course they have for a long time now too. I must have confused you with another poster. ;)
 
jet57 said:
Fox got pulled over there; what am I wrong about?
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I have no idea! But Tucker Carlson gives both sides a chance to state their cases!
 
Andalublue said:
I'm less comfy with unelected tycoons controlling it tbh.
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BBC accused of left-wing bias as audience appears to support Jeremy Corbyn in election TV debate | The Independent
https://biasedbbc.org/quotes-of-shame/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_BBC



but the very idea that one group of people can utter to another person what and what they cannot utter is rather fascist and statist in nature. How can you label yourself a libertarian, btw and support such a notion?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
BBC accused of left-wing bias as audience appears to support Jeremy Corbyn in election TV debate | The Independent
https://biasedbbc.org/quotes-of-shame/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_BBC



but the very idea that one group of people can utter to another person what and what they cannot utter is rather fascist and statist in nature. How can you label yourself a libertarian, btw and support such a notion?
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How can you claim to be a libertarian but concede to the freedom of expression being determined by access to wealth? Liberty is not a commodity.

The BBC is often accused of bias. There are many studies that show it to be biased to the right (check out the Glasgow Media Group's reports), and there are more frquent claims of bias to the left, but they generally come from hard right media sources.
 
Andalublue said:
How can you claim to be a libertarian but concede to the freedom of expression being determined by access to wealth? Liberty is not a commodity.
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because it's not limited to that at all. I can start a blog, a youtube channel etc. I can go to alternative news sources, and other places not approved by a government entity. The media is hard left, and creates fake news here, but as a libertarian I don't call for it's censorship.


The BBC is often accused of bias. There are many studies that show it to be biased to the right (check out the Glasgow Media Group's reports), and there are more frquent claims of bias to the left, but they generally come from hard right media sources.
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They seem pretty left wing to me, probably our continential perspectives.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
because it's not limited to that at all. I can start a blog, a youtube channel etc. I can go to alternative news sources, and other places not approved by a government entity.
So what are you complaining about? No one's infringing anyone's right to do just that.

The media is hard left, and creates fake news here,
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This smokescreen nonesense about the US media being all hard left is frankly a bit laughable. I think virtually every new media celebrity seems to be right wing. You've got right wing major national newspapers, you've got virtually exclusively right-wing talk radio, you've got the Fox empire batting right and you've got massive amounts of right-wing new media voices. The right wing whining about underepresentation in the media is just a diversion.
but as a libertarian I don't call for it's censorship.
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You don't need to. Most voices of opposition to the current neo-liberal hegemony are already heavily censored. US media pluralism is a fantasy.

They seem pretty left wing to me, probably our continential perspectives.
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I'm picking up that by your current standards the British Conservatives would seem pretty left wing to you. I'm surprised you can still bring yourself to engage with me, Bud. :thumbs:
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ReverendHellh0und said:
because it's not limited to that at all. I can start a blog, a youtube channel etc. I can go to alternative news sources, and other places not approved by a government entity. The media is hard left, and creates fake news here, but as a libertarian I don't call for it's censorship.




They seem pretty left wing to me, probably our continential perspectives.
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The media isn't hard left at all, that's just the lie manufactured to excuse the right media's absence of facts.

Media has two poles; one at center left, one at far right.
 
Andalublue said:
ReverendHellh0und said:
because it's not limited to that at all. I can start a blog, a youtube channel etc. I can go to alternative news sources, and other places not approved by a government entity.
So what are you complaining about? No one's infringing anyone's right to do just that.

This smokescreen nonesense about the US media being all hard left is frankly a bit laughable. I think virtually every new media celebrity seems to be right wing. You've got right wing major national newspapers, you've got virtually exclusively right-wing talk radio, you've got the Fox empire batting right and you've got massive amounts of right-wing new media voices. The right wing whining about underepresentation in the media is just a diversion.You don't need to. Most voices of opposition to the current neo-liberal hegemony are already heavily censored. US media pluralism is a fantasy.

I'm picking up that by your current standards the British Conservatives would seem pretty left wing to you. I'm surprised you can still bring yourself to engage with me, Bud. :thumbs:
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Oh andy You know I love you! :thumbs:


I have several outlets I can go to. CATO, Reason, among others.
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Absentglare said:
The media isn't hard left at all, that's just the lie manufactured to excuse the right media's absence of facts.

Media has two poles; one at center left, one at far right.
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BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!

you probably believe that, don't you.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
so a liberal organization says so? did you even read your link, thats media and social media. The idea that they talked about email scandal more than trump is insane.
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Yes yes; i get it, all the purveyors of facts are "liberal", anything you don't like is "liberal".

You're free to believe what you want, but nobody is obligated to believe your GARBAGE non-rebuttal.
 
Absentglare said:
Yes yes; i get it, all the purveyors of facts are "liberal", anything you don't like is "liberal".

You're free to believe what you want, but nobody is obligated to believe your GARBAGE non-rebuttal.
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NO anything that advocates for, propaghandaizes for, and/or promotes leftist ideolgy is liberal.


Such outlets as msnbc, and CNN would come to mind. Mother Jones, et al.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
NO anything that advocates for, propaghandaizes for, and/or promotes leftist ideolgy is liberal.


Such outlets as msnbc, and CNN would come to mind. Mother Jones, et al.
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So anything that reflects positively on liberals is liberal.

Reality is liberal, folks!! We did it, we won!
 
Marco Montana said:
Is that because they're unfactual, or because the EU doesn't like the truth?
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1) Has nothing to do with the EU. Ofcom is British only.
2) Unfactual.... more like biased. There are certain standards tv news has to meet in the UK. One of them is that their stories have to be as unbiased as possible, and especially their journalists and interviewers. On top of that news channels are not allowed to promote products or views. There are a bunch of rules, all set down by the industry itself, as this is an industry regulator made by the industry itself.
 
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