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    Re: Should Spain Forcefully Supress the Catalan Independence Referendum?

    Fractured separatism:
    Division among separatists grows and now splits the two largest separatist associations in the region. While ANC publicly expressed support for Puigdemont’s election as regional president last Thursday, yesterday Omnium Cultural called for “generosity to guarantee the formation of a Govern and the restitution of regional institutions” in a speech using the same key words and expressions Esquerra has recently been applying to suggest JxCat propose an alternative candidate that will facilitate lifting application of Article 155. “We need broadly supported, firm and serene solutions that respect the will expressed in the ballots on December 21, Omnium’s leader, Jordi Cuixart stated in direct clash with the radical unilateralism JxCat and CUP advocate.

    ANC takes the opposite tack and foregoes any consensus to demand “the electoral take place and Puigdemont be elected as planned”. ANC, led by Jordi Sanchez (who is also number two for JxCat), said “we will never understand stopping the result of any election” adding “most of [Catalonia] chose [Torrent] to preside over the Parlament, he met with the parliamentary groups and identified the selected delegate, who had to be the candidate for regional president. Now is not the time to go back, we must step forward” he said in a communique delivered the day after Puigdemont described himself as “sacrificed”. Òmnium se alía con ERC contra Puigdemont | cataluna
    The underlying issue is that the separatists of all factions appreciate how continued application of Art.155 erodes the commitment to separatism in the region’s institutions. Madrid is searching through their records for evidence of involvement in the separatist process (and there is plenty). Regional institutions involved in education, communications and interior were directly involved in the outlawed referendum, they unlawfully applied public resources and manpower, and Madrid is gathering evidence of this. The continued application of Art.155 risks more evidence being gathered against Puigdemont’s Administration.

    Additionally, as long as Art.155 is applied, regional institutions cannot be used to advance the separatist cause, and their administration from Madrid erodes the notion the regional government has any authority or provides anything of value to the citizenry. Moreover, it is humiliating to separatists to have their institutions managed from afar. Some separatists have come to the view it would be preferable to recover control of their regional institutions with a substitute for Puigdemont.

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    Re: Should Spain Forcefully Supress the Catalan Independence Referendum?

    The f**king Catalans should just take a good hard look across the Mediterranean and thank their lucky stars they're not part of the f**king French nation.

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    Re: Should Spain Forcefully Supress the Catalan Independence Referendum?

    The latest from Catalonia is that the special report from a panel of learned counsel for the regional government to Torrent's enquiry on the postponement of the electoral assembly, was rejected by Torrent who demanded it's redrafting, the author (seniormost among the attorneys) refused to rewrite so this was assigned to a different attorney, and that apparently the attorneys who reviewed the situation did not all agree on the report's conclusions. In this report it is said Torrent must act urgently, either substituting Puigdemont, designating him and a date for the assembly to vote, or declaring Puigdemont's candidacy void to call on the parties to designate another.

    In other news the rift between Esquerra and JxCat grows as they contemplate replacing Puigdemont, also that CUP leadership reportedly agreed to substitute Puigdemont as well.

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    The report by the most senior attorney for the regional government (Bayona) found the two month period to elect a regional president had not commenced, but urged Torrent take action in order to avoid an indefinite suspension. Bayona offered Torrent 3 paths to take; propose a different candidate, await the Constitutional Court’s decision to confirm the measures applied against Puigdemont or announce there is no candidate to begin the 2 month period for his designation and election. https://elpais.com/ccaa/2018/02/07/c...95_493104.html
    It is reported that counsel for the regional government is divided on the issue. Bayona refused to rewrite his conclusions, two other attorneys will do so, some who supported Bayona’s conclusions are likely to convey their disagreement, some see Torren’t adjournment as a ploy to gain consensus for Puigdemont’s appointment, others are more concerned with suspending application of Art. 155.

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    Re: Should Spain Forcefully Supress the Catalan Independence Referendum?

    Torrent rejected a JxCat proposal for legislative reform to enable Puigdemont’s election in absentia. JxCat drafted a proposed law that would enable the remote appearance, debate and election of Puigdemont, their proposal also would have allowed Puigdemont to preside over and vote in any sort of regional government meeting or assembly remotely.

    Torrent aviva la guerra soberanista al negarse a tramitar la reforma para investir a Puigdemont a distancia | Cataluña

    Evidently Esquerra and JxCat are not working very well together in this separatist coalition, I think this will drag on until the end of March, then they’ll dissolve Parlament and call for new elections, hopefully legal proceedings will have advanced enough to disqualify Puigdemont by then.

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    Re: Should Spain Forcefully Supress the Catalan Independence Referendum?

    Call for an “unblocking” session:

    Ciudadanos’ leader, Inés Arrimadas, has informed the highest representaives of the PSC, Catalunya en Comú-Podem and the PP, she intends to demand a special parliamentary “unblocking” session to overcome the absence of regional government if speaker Torrent fails to propose an electable candidate to preside the regional government.

    According to applicable regulations governing the regional government, any two parties or a fifth of the delegates may propose a specific assembly. On this basis, given that Ciudadanos itself has over a fifth of the delegates in Parlament, she moved to request Torrent call for an extraordinary session which she termed “unblocking” if by Tuesday Torrent fails to engage in contacts with delegates to propose some alternative to Puigdemont.

    In the event Torrent does not initiate contacts to find an alternative candidate, Ciudadanos will formally petition for this “unblocking” session from the separatist controlled Parlament Committee of Spokespersons, which is scheduled to meet on Tuesday.

    Although Ciudadanos, given the number of delegates it has, could call for this extraordinary session on it’s own, Arrimadas sought to engage other constitutionalist parties in an effort to overcome the situation of the region. Catalunya en Comu-Podem has not endorsed Arrimadas’ proposal, but has registered it’s own proposal to reaffirm the “sovereignty” of the regional legislature, calling for an “open, transparent and public debate to evaluate different scenarios that may overcome the regional government’s blocking.”

    Ciudadanos seeks each party in the legislature present their own proposals to overcome the situation, and especially that the separatists make clear their positions regarding Puigdemont. Thus, in her request to Torrent, Arrimadas describes an “immediate and urgent” need for the parties in the legislature to “discuss the institutional paralysis arising from the determination to propose Puigdemont (given his circumstances). Arrimadas busca apoyos para su pleno de "desbloqueo" | Cataluña

    The separatists in Catalonia are primarily concerned now with efforts from Madrid to facilitate instruction in Spanish in the region’s public schools. The matriculation period begins soon and Madrid proposes to include options for the parents to indicate language of instruction preference. Catalonian public schools teach in the region’s language, but many parents find this detrimental as it limits their children’s prospects, thus there have been frequent complaints over the adequacy of instruction in Spanish.

    Madrid can get involved in this matter through the application of Article 155, thus the separatists are caught in a dilemma; either they substitute Puigdemont so an electable regional president gets installed and 155 lifted, or they persist and enable continued involvement by Madrid eroding their autonomous institutions.

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    Re: Should Spain Forcefully Supress the Catalan Independence Referendum?

    https://www.elperiodico.com/es/polit...ciones-6643678

    Still groundhog day. JxCat and ERC may share a common purpose, yet they're even worse at power-sharing than Sinn Fein and the DUP.

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