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Theresa May's Case for a Two-Year Transition Period After Brexit

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https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/09/theresa-may-florence/540558/

Theresa May reaffirmed her belief that “no deal is better than a bad deal” when it comes to Brexit, but added that she would like to try for one anyway—even if it means going beyond the March 2019 deadline. In a highly anticipated speech in Florence Friday, the British prime minister called for establishing a two-year “implementation period” after the U.K. formally leaves the EU, during which time the U.K. would continue to observe EU rules and access EU markets.

“Clearly people, businesses, and public services should only have to plan for one set of changes in the relationship between the U.K. and the EU,” May said. “The framework for this strictly time-limited period, which can be agreed under Article 50, would be the existing structure of EU rules and regulations.
On the divorce bill, May reaffirmed that the U.K. would honor the commitments it made to the bloc’s common budget when it was last finalized in 2013 (the budget is agreed to by all of the EU member states every seven years, with the current one spanning until 2020). Though May did not name a specific figure, U.K. officials have estimated it would cover approximately 20 billion euros—a sum markedly lower than the approximately 60 billion euros Brussels reportedly wants (the EU has also never named a specific figure, though economists have projected it could cost the U.K. anywhere between 20 billion to 100 billion euros).

The offer hasn’t come a moment too soon. After three months and three rounds of negotiations, the two parties have remained deadlocked over the major withdrawal issues, with both sides conceding after the last round of talks that “no decisive” progress had been made—an omission that prompted some EU negotiators to question if reaching a withdrawal agreement by October as planned was still possible.
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Guess all those promises about trade deals, new orgs and regulatory bodies, better deal and such and all could be done within the 2 year framework was complete BS.
I think the EU will state a loud No.
 
The EU will be lucky it won't be tied to the UK when it sinks below the waves.
 
All it will take is one EU country to say no at the end of two years and the UK is ****ed.
 
Anyone notice she has dropped the "no deal better than a bad deal" rhetoric?

Also with Boris going solo or attempting to do so, it looks like more chaos in the British government. Too many chefs it seems to me.
 
PeteEU said:
Anyone notice she has dropped the "no deal better than a bad deal" rhetoric?

Also with Boris going solo or attempting to do so, it looks like more chaos in the British government. Too many chefs it seems to me.
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she hasn't dropped it Pete
 
JANFU said:
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/09/theresa-may-florence/540558/


Guess all those promises about trade deals, new orgs and regulatory bodies, better deal and such and all could be done within the 2 year framework was complete BS.
I think the EU will state a loud No.
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Hell yes, they wanted out, they had plenty of time to start working on the laws, rules and regulations prior to the moment they started the brexit proper but they failed in their duties just like everything Theresa May does, just because she is piss poor at her job does not mean the EU has to change the process to aid the Brits to finally do their job.
 
Peter King said:
Hell yes, they wanted out, they had plenty of time to start working on the laws, rules and regulations prior to the moment they started the brexit proper but they failed in their duties just like everything Theresa May does, just because she is piss poor at her job does not mean the EU has to change the process to aid the Brits to finally do their job.
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But but, the UK politicians had to have their 2 month vacation, and their bank holiday Mondays-Fridays..
 
PeteEU said:
But but, the UK politicians had to have their 2 month vacation, and their bank holiday Mondays-Fridays..
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Nobody forced them to start the brexit when they did, they could have properly prepared themselves prior to starting the article 50 process when they did.
 
Peter King said:
Nobody forced them to start the brexit when they did, they could have properly prepared themselves prior to starting the article 50 process when they did.
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You mean like the EU did? The EU presented their terms for negotiation soon after the Brits triggered article 50... just saying!
 
PeteEU said:
You mean like the EU did? The EU presented their terms for negotiation soon after the Brits triggered article 50... just saying!
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i believe the terms of negotiating leaving the EU was set out in EU law the UK was party of this when the UK demanded a clause EU membership the problems stems from Westminster believing the terms of leaving the EU should be exempt and that they are a special case.

Theresa May’s claim during her keynote Brexit speech that “the United Kingdom has never totally felt at home being in the European Union”.

The Prime Minister told her audience in the Italian city of Florence that there had always been a scepticism towards Brussels from this island.

“Perhaps because of our history and geography, the European Union never felt to us like an integral part of our national story in the way it does to so many elsewhere in Europe,”
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this woman may speak for England and Wales but never Scotland down south do not understand us ... Scotland has had longstanding links with many EU nations stretching millennia ... 62 % of Scots voted to remain .... all 32 regions
 
Personally, I'd like to see Farage in the negotiations. That way he can be exposed for the simplistic buffoon, that he is. Moreover, he can carry some of the inevitable baggage that goes with failure.
 
gunner said:
Personally, I'd like to see Farage in the negotiations. That way he can be exposed for the simplistic buffoon, that he is. Moreover, he can carry some of the inevitable baggage that goes with failure.
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Which has me pondering:


  • - What more of a buffoon can he show himself to be than he already is (and has been) doing?

  • - What sort of baggage could failure land him with, considering that he holds no political office of significance anyway that could be ripped from him (his inane spoutings in Brussels notwithstanding)?

On that second point, his party today is practically emasculated beyond its already inherent insignificance and the only reason his mug appears anywhere these days is either because they haven't taken away his code card for the MEP yet, or because certain media just can't keep from sticking a mic. in his face.

A factor of annoyance incidentally shared with Tony BLiar.

What I wish far more is that these attention whores be finally consigned to shuddup land.
 
Godric1970 said:
i believe the terms of negotiating leaving the EU was set out in EU law the UK was party of this when the UK demanded a clause EU membership the problems stems from Westminster believing the terms of leaving the EU should be exempt and that they are a special case.

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this woman may speak for England and Wales but never Scotland down south do not understand us ... Scotland has had longstanding links with many EU nations stretching millennia ... 62 % of Scots voted to remain .... all 32 regions
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She speaks for nobody but the Tory party, and not all of that. As the reality of what "Brexit is Brexit" means leaks out, more and more people are concluding that remain is the sane option.
 
JANFU said:
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/09/theresa-may-florence/540558/


Guess all those promises about trade deals, new orgs and regulatory bodies, better deal and such and all could be done within the 2 year framework was complete BS.
I think the EU will state a loud No.
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Not sure what you are referring the "loud No" to, but if it's the request for extending the exit deadline, I doubt that it would be principally refused.

What DOES pose a problem though is the immediately raised question of "why?".

As things stand, the whole Florence speech has really provided no progress whatsoever in that nothing has changed in positions, those being that the UK isn't getting its act together at all while the EU is voicing at least a framework that the UK is still incapable of addressing.

Nevertheless it seems to escape most "continentals" here (impatient with the constant UK gallivanting of speaking a lot and saying nothing) that May doesn't have a mandate and neither does anyone else in the government. That she can summon a majority of votes on anything in parliament is all very well, but look what she has to rely upon.

Hard Brexiteers, soft Brexiteers, a bunch of Irish medieval nutbags. Herding a flock of bees thru a doorlock with a rod is by comparison a cinch.

One gets the feeling more and more that the only way Brexit could happen at all is by the EU letting UK crash into the wall of its own making. Maybe that's what May is contemplating, so she can say afterwards "that it's now a hard Brexit is not our fault, it's down to Brussels intransigence".

That narrative has been already practised for some time now ("they want to punish us") and holding others responsible for own incompetence (and impotence) is really nothing new.

Of course the EU might wish to thwart that type of prevarication by granting extension, the question remains however "why should it?". What does it gain? Climate of continued friendliness at the expense of yet further business uncertainty and insecurity?

Where the average EU national may be somewhat wanting in knowledge of UK domestic issues (political, societal etc.), the cognitive dissonance reigning West of the channel to me appears to be far more pronounced. The simple truth is that "Europeans" are sorely sick of British shenanigans and have been ever since Thatcher pushed the rebate thru. Now where that is an emotional response not based on actual economic rationale of the times then (or now), it would be naive to think that either Brussels or any other EU-capital wouldn't at least let it flow into considerations.

I'm getting the (admittedly subjective) feeling that people this side would wish the whole thing to be over with already, while on the other side the illusion is manifesting itself that "if we do nothing, maybe it'll all go away".
 
gunner said:
Personally, I'd like to see Farage in the negotiations. That way he can be exposed for the simplistic buffoon, that he is. Moreover, he can carry some of the inevitable baggage that goes with failure.
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The further Farage is from publicity the better. Let the toad sink into well deserved obscurity.
 
No patriotic Englishman who understands the EU could have voted remain. Over 60% of our laws and regulations originate in the EU, and it has vast areas of competency ranging from social to energy policy. Anyone who cares about our sovereignty and identity would be willing to suffer a little short term economic hardship for it.

Of course, the truth is most hardcore remainers are not primarily concerned with economics. They are ideologically committed to marginalising the nation state.

Farage has the air of a used-car dealer. But still he deserves a statue for his service to our nation.
 
Theresa May won't say if she'd vote for Brexit now - BBC News

Theresa May has refused to say how she would vote if there was another EU referendum.
The prime minister, who backed Remain in last year's vote, was repeatedly asked if she would now vote for Brexit.
She told LBC radio: "I don't answer hypothetical questions."

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Fairly or not, Theresa May's hesitation in giving her answer on this hypothetical question will give pause for thought to those who harbour suspicions of her real commitment to Brexit.
And her "open and honest" answer, which refused to come down on either side creates the strange situation where the prime minister appears unwilling to give full-throated support to her government's main policy.
 
Meh, that's the Tory party today for you. Remember, this is the party of Heath, Heseltine, and Howe. If the opposition wasn't lead by people with a tract record of praising IRA gunmen and accepting awards from those with epithets like The Old Bailey bomber, I'd say I'd welcome seeing it implode.
 
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