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Sickness in the EU

ChezC3 said:
I understand this process, but believe in the EU its a little different.
Let me explain.
I live in Chicago, IL. Let's say I move to Los Angeles, CA. I may move back to Illinois one day, maybe, but its doubtful. I've got family here, I've got a pension coming from the State, so I have some ties to it. I might even still own property in IL.
Now, I'm happy with my water wings splashing around in the Pacific, I've made a home for myself, became a part of the community in which I live, yada yada yada.
Why do I give a fig about how those people in IL are living? Why do I want to concern myself? Do I have a right to? Yes. But Just because it is your right doesn't mean you always need to exercise that right, does it?
The biggest problem in the US and as we are seeing in the EU is too many people that no longer or never were attached to a particular area want to tell those people living in that area how they should live. The bolded part of my quote "If we ever decide to come back."
So, you got people who saw fit to move, wanting to tell the people who live there, how they should live. Just in case they ever decide that they want to return.
Let me go and live my life over here, but you over there, you need to do things the way I want, just in case I decide to go over there.
That is the problem. That is what I have issue with.
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For that very reason I'm not allowed to vote in the local elections in Texas, only federal. Since I am not a resident of Texas I do not get a say-so in their process. However, as an American citizen I have a vested interest in the United States, no matter where I happen to be living at the time. I will keep my US citizenship forever because if my wife and I ever divorce I will move back to the states. In exchange for that I'm never allowed to vote for politicians where I actually live, in Germany.

Likewise, as Polish citizens in France, they have a vested interest in the nation of Poland and have every right to vote. Yes, the EU is a little bit like US states, but it's different in the fact that they're still individual nations with individual nationalities. The Polish citizens in France are not without sacrifice in keeping their right to vote in Poland.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
For that very reason I'm not allowed to vote in the local elections in Texas, only federal. Since I am not a resident of Texas I do not get a say-so in their process. However, as an American citizen I have a vested interest in the United States, no matter where I happen to be living at the time. I will keep my US citizenship forever because if my wife and I ever divorce I will move back to the states. In exchange for that I'm never allowed to vote for politicians where I actually live, in Germany.

Likewise, as Polish citizens in France, they have a vested interest in the nation of Poland and have every right to vote. Yes, the EU is a little bit like US states, but it's different in the fact that they're still individual nations with individual nationalities. The Polish citizens in France are not without sacrifice in keeping their right to vote in Poland.
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I understand perfectly what you're saying. I disagree with the thought process behind it.

It is a case of political expedience that Brussels whole-heartedly accepts what your point is just so long as it favors Brussels.

The route the EU is going they are essentially wanting to make Poland Texas so to speak, one of many states in their Union. With ever more sovereignty being relinquished by its members and much more power being consolidated into the central EU government.

As such, they are working diligently to curb national sovereignty all the while telling expats in foreign lands who agree with the EU's positions that they too should have a voice in what their country(Texas) does. Should these people disagree with Brussels then their voices I guarantee you will fall on deaf ears. They'll be nothing but right wing rabble rousers who hypocritically concern themselves in a land they seen fit to flee from.

It's self serving.
 
ChezC3 said:
I understand perfectly what you're saying. I disagree with the thought process behind it.

It is a case of political expedience that Brussels whole-heartedly accepts what your point is just so long as it favors Brussels.

The route the EU is going they are essentially wanting to make Poland Texas so to speak, one of many states in their Union. With ever more sovereignty being relinquished by its members and much more power being consolidated into the central EU government.

As such, they are working diligently to curb national sovereignty all the while telling expats in foreign lands who agree with the EU's positions that they too should have a voice in what their country(Texas) does. Should these people disagree with Brussels then their voices I guarantee you will fall on deaf ears. They'll be nothing but right wing rabble rousers who hypocritically concern themselves in a land they seen fit to flee from.

It's self serving.
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Between you saying the Poles shouldn't get to vote in their own country, and "Brussels" (actually Poland) saying they can vote in their nation of citizenship, I'll take the latter. Nationality matters, you're just butt-hurt about the EU in general so you're trying to pretend you have the authority to rearrange another continent's politics. I'll continue to vote in American elections and you can continue to be sour about it.
 
ChezC3 said:
Well, I think the Hungary thing is blown way out of proportion. It's propaganda, as I believe this is.

Magyars and Poles have every right to self determination and while the actions taken go to the right, it most certainly isn't into the Authoritarian State that is being bandied about in the Press.

The thing is is that they are working to keep their sovereignty while Brussels is trying to strip them of it. A suspicious ear should be used whenever you hear these cries of wolf about Fascism. It's being used as a cudgel for anyone who dare not rubber stamp whatever nonsense they have determined is in everyone's best interest in Brussels.
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The Polish foreign minister is racist for claiming it is a problem that people with different ethnicities have children. Also, it is very authoritarian to claim riding a bicycle or becoming a vegetarian is bad.

Also, it’s very authoritarian of the Polish government to threaten a journalist with imprisonment just because he exposed the defence minister's connection to Russian goverment and Russian criminals.

The military bureau of the Polish prosecutor-general's office announced on 11 July 2017 that it had received a complaint from Macierewicz accusing Piatek of "using force or threats against a public official" and "public insults or humiliation of a constitutional body" in connection with the book, published in late June.

In a joint open letter to the defence minister on 18 July 2017 (see below), the EFJ and other organisations call on him to immediately withdraw these proceedings against Piatek.

The result of 18 months of research, the book, entitled Macierewicz and His Secrets, describes the minister's alleged political and financial ties with persons close to the Kremlin, to the Russian intelligence services and to Russian criminal organizations.
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https://www.ifex.org/poland/2017/07/18/complaint-against-piatek/
 
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