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Germany Might As Well Start Sprechen Sie Arabisch...

Tanngrisnir said:
Meh. You can't rationally defend the idiotic title of this thread, which isn't backed up by anything in reality.

Same old, same old.
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Just because you said so....:lamo

Uh huh...:coffeepap
 
ChezC3 said:
It can easily be deduced that the silk lay in the barrel by the quality of stock put up for auction. It would be foolish to think because Germans support the European bloc in principle that they support the EU in its current form. They do not. Nearly 8 in 10 want nothing to do with further EU integration. Further integration is inevitable with the two main candidates up for election. Germans (rightfully so) are extremely wary of cults of personality which to a certain degree is what is needed to uproot the currently well entrenched establishment. Germany's current financial success and gains have been because of the EU and their place it its pecking order, and it is because of this success that Merkel & Co. have been able to hold on to power. An imbecile or a child would be the only ones to bring up for debate a known quantity such as this.

Perhaps if you offer RabidAlpaca a lolli, he'd rub your tired feet and you can relax, rest-assured that you won't have to retell the tale of the German-Turk relationship. I'm well aware of its presence.

I'll ignore the puerile provocation and instead fully insist that the numbers in Frankfurt are not misleading at all. Turks make up for 13% of the population, hardly negligible and 61% of the born abroad are from other EU member states. So we will dismiss out of pocket uneducated opinions about my prejudices or predilections in regard to race.

It seems the proEU controlled ministry of propaganda have done a proper job demonizing the AfD. Half-wits abound point their fingers in mock indignation, making bold accusations and assumptions. It is a simple view of the world to think that because a fringe element throws their support behind an organization who represent that which the other parties can't, which is, (oh how delightfully fitting) an alternative to the proEU, globalized agenda that all the people in the party and the party itself, must be Nazi's. Ridiculous to even think such a thing I know, but unfortunately you have a certain element who find this type of jejune reasoning advantageous to their political ambitions.

I'll playfully bat aside your last sentence there as it is the final stanza in what has been a truly unremarkable post. Offering nothing of substance, support, or true rebuttal but only sloppily constructed and I can only assume judged on their quality and yours , painstakingly rehearsed snivels.

First thing last, I should have prefaced this post with a bit of cautionary advice -- if one is going to put on airs then one should make sure they can handle the pressure.

As it stands, you're being crushed.
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Well, with your rant now over, I guess we can conclude this whole interchange now as showing no merit in being continued. So you can continue to believe what you want while I believe what I know.

Have a nice one.
 
Chagos said:
Well, with your rant now over, I guess we can conclude this whole interchange now as showing no merit in being continued. So you can continue to believe what you want while I believe what I know.

Have a nice one.
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Rant? hehehe, OK, sure...

I would say auf wiedersehen, but, well....

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Being polyglot is a wonderful thing.

Is the OP perhaps just a bit worried about having to learn Spanish to function in his own country?
 
Urethra Franklin said:
Being polyglot is a wonderful thing.

Is the OP perhaps just a bit worried about having to learn Spanish to function in his own country?
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As I am now officially less than 2 years from one of these (hurray for me!!!)

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I don't really think I'm worried about hablando español.

Of course, having worked in restaurants most of my life including a stint as a Chef at a Tex-Mex restaurante, I wasn't too worried to begin with...

Romanian, now that's a language I might want to brush up on...but seeing as Vicari è un comune di della città metropolitana di Palermo in Sicilia? I should concentrate on the Sicilian dialect.
 
Chagos said:
The title would incidentally be more close to reality if it contained "Türkisch" instead of "Arabisch", seeing how there are at least 3 times as many Turk speakers in Germany as there are Arabic speakers.

Reasons going back decades.

One may also doubt that, with the throttle on immigration being almost closed, the around 900,000 Arabic speakers currently in Germany are going to have much of a linguistic impact on a nation of over 80 million.

As such, to stay with the spirit of the thread title in using "foreign", one may well use a popular Bavarian saying which reads "Herr, lass Hirn vom Himmel regnen".

Translating as "Lord let brains rain from the sky" with brains obviously signifying intelligence. In this context the intelligence required to be able to make a sensible assessment.
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And Germany has imposed more stringent asylum rules? is that correct?
 
JANFU said:
And Germany has imposed more stringent asylum rules? is that correct?
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In a manner of speaking, yes.

To be more precise, she always differentiated between "economic" immigrants and "refugees" (from political oppression, war torn countries etc.), just that now the parameters are more vigorously adhered to.

A somewhat more cavalier approach in the past was greatly governed by those EU countries having an outside EU border with Comanchería fulfilling their obligations of securing that part of the overall outer border for the benefit of other EU countries. Like for Germany, practically buffered on all sides by partners and thus having its only (EU) border to the outside on what seafront it possesses. So not bordering on the Med. helped, seeing how rubber dinghies don't navigate all that well from Libya, Morocco or Turkey to the North Sea.

As a result the greatest onslaught of refugees in the past was upon partners like Italy, Greece and Spain. Germany in the comfortable position of being able to tell those that their "quota" was still far from fulfilled, while Germany was (by quota) full.

End message being "deal with it (read your copy of Dublin agreements), it's not our problem".

Summer and fall of 2015 the picture changed completely in that "the Balkan route" was opened primarily by Turkey allowing its refugee overspill to flow unhampered into Greece and from there onwards, thus causing pressure on all countries along that route, all those countries either interning whoever they could get hold of in concentration camp conditions or simply waving them through.

Pressure thus ultimately culminating in Hungary and lastly in Austria.

Merkel decided this could not go on indefinitely and, hoping that the rest of the EU would assist her, opened the flood gates very much like Texas currently wishes it could (if it had any and topography had ever allowed for their installation), to disperse the tsunami.

She overlooked two points, one being that public opinion in other countries (foremost France) that showed admiration for her "humanitarian" move did not necessarily reflect the political will of governments, the second being that she underestimated the lemming effect caused by the news travelling down the refugee grapevine that the land of milk and honey would now take anybody and everybody.

To the first point, she should have negotiated with all the others first (however long that would have taken) to share into the overall effort of alleviating the crisis. Instead, and in an understandable and totally justified sense of urgency, she acted. On the assumption that others would see the light, once the deck was dealt.

Big mistake.

To the second point, nobody (but really nobody) had any business at the time and has none today to call the numbers of those that then set forth for Europe unexpected. The refugee camps in Lebanon and Jordan had been bursting at the seams for years already, with living conditions there deteriorating to unbearable. Not thru any particular fault of the host countries but simply because international aid was cut by the UN on account of having run out of money (contributors having forestalled on payments).

In addition Turkey was already jam-packed with millions of refugees from Syria, some having fled the war directly across the near border but many having fled the conditions of the camps further South, just to find that conditions offered in Turkey, where often enough not involving internment in camps, were barely better.

The catastrophe not only was but is an international one still, main faults lying in not addressing the overall development early enough to at least form some semblance of planning its management for times to come.

But, to return to your original question, what the more rabid xenophobes (here and elsewhere) numbered at "millions" flooding into Germany, has meanwhile turned out to be less than one million and the chaos in processing them that reigned during the fall of 2015 and the spring of 2016 has meanwhile subsided somewhat, albeit processing still being far from optimal.

As such "economic" refugees have as little chance of being granted asylum as they always did, they're now simply being chucked out faster than before, where in the less tumultuous past they were often "tolerated" for unspecified lengths of time for humanitarian reasons such as illness (requiring medical attention), their kids having been sent to school (not uncommon considering how long the processing of the parents' status actually took in those times) etc.

Now the reins have been tightened to the point of Afghans being sent back on the argument that Absurdistan does not constitute a war zone (not our problem if you can't find some peaceful place to live outside Helman province or even Kabul).

"Real" refugees are afforded asylum as before as EU law, international law and German law stipulates.
 
ChezC3 said:
As I am now officially less than 2 years from one of these (hurray for me!!!)

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I don't really think I'm worried about hablando español.

Of course, having worked in restaurants most of my life including a stint as a Chef at a Tex-Mex restaurante, I wasn't too worried to begin with...

Romanian, now that's a language I might want to brush up on...but seeing as Vicari è un comune di della città metropolitana di Palermo in Sicilia? I should concentrate on the Sicilian dialect.
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Is that a slice of panettone that Italian passport's sitting on?

That all indicates a certain measure of open mindedness. Which makes the title of your thread even more sad. You're trying to acquire a nationality you weren't born with. I've done that - it's a great thing. But it does suggest that you ought to know better than to start a coldjoint type thread with such a dumb title.

A word of advice: don't spout off such racist pooh at your nationality interview.
 
Chagos said:
In a manner of speaking, yes.

To be more precise, she always differentiated between "economic" immigrants and "refugees" (from political oppression, war torn countries etc.), just that now the parameters are more vigorously adhered to.

A somewhat more cavalier approach in the past was greatly governed by those EU countries having an outside EU border with Comanchería fulfilling their obligations of securing that part of the overall outer border for the benefit of other EU countries. Like for Germany, practically buffered on all sides by partners and thus having its only (EU) border to the outside on what seafront it possesses. So not bordering on the Med. helped, seeing how rubber dinghies don't navigate all that well from Libya, Morocco or Turkey to the North Sea.

As a result the greatest onslaught of refugees in the past was upon partners like Italy, Greece and Spain. Germany in the comfortable position of being able to tell those that their "quota" was still far from fulfilled, while Germany was (by quota) full.

End message being "deal with it (read your copy of Dublin agreements), it's not our problem".

Summer and fall of 2015 the picture changed completely in that "the Balkan route" was opened primarily by Turkey allowing its refugee overspill to flow unhampered into Greece and from there onwards, thus causing pressure on all countries along that route, all those countries either interning whoever they could get hold of in concentration camp conditions or simply waving them through.

Pressure thus ultimately culminating in Hungary and lastly in Austria.

Merkel decided this could not go on indefinitely and, hoping that the rest of the EU would assist her, opened the flood gates very much like Texas currently wishes it could (if it had any and topography had ever allowed for their installation), to disperse the tsunami.

She overlooked two points, one being that public opinion in other countries (foremost France) that showed admiration for her "humanitarian" move did not necessarily reflect the political will of governments, the second being that she underestimated the lemming effect caused by the news travelling down the refugee grapevine that the land of milk and honey would now take anybody and everybody.

To the first point, she should have negotiated with all the others first (however long that would have taken) to share into the overall effort of alleviating the crisis. Instead, and in an understandable and totally justified sense of urgency, she acted. On the assumption that others would see the light, once the deck was dealt.

Big mistake.

To the second point, nobody (but really nobody) had any business at the time and has none today to call the numbers of those that then set forth for Europe unexpected. The refugee camps in Lebanon and Jordan had been bursting at the seams for years already, with living conditions there deteriorating to unbearable. Not thru any particular fault of the host countries but simply because international aid was cut by the UN on account of having run out of money (contributors having forestalled on payments).

In addition Turkey was already jam-packed with millions of refugees from Syria, some having fled the war directly across the near border but many having fled the conditions of the camps further South, just to find that conditions offered in Turkey, where often enough not involving internment in camps, were barely better.

The catastrophe not only was but is an international one still, main faults lying in not addressing the overall development early enough to at least form some semblance of planning its management for times to come.

But, to return to your original question, what the more rabid xenophobes (here and elsewhere) numbered at "millions" flooding into Germany, has meanwhile turned out to be less than one million and the chaos in processing them that reigned during the fall of 2015 and the spring of 2016 has meanwhile subsided somewhat, albeit processing still being far from optimal.

As such "economic" refugees have as little chance of being granted asylum as they always did, they're now simply being chucked out faster than before, where in the less tumultuous past they were often "tolerated" for unspecified lengths of time for humanitarian reasons such as illness (requiring medical attention), their kids having been sent to school (not uncommon considering how long the processing of the parents' status actually took in those times) etc.

Now the reins have been tightened to the point of Afghans being sent back on the argument that Absurdistan does not constitute a war zone (not our problem if you can't find some peaceful place to live outside Helman province or even Kabul).

"Real" refugees are afforded asylum as before as EU law, international law and German law stipulates.
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Thank you. Well written and insightful.
 
Urethra Franklin said:
Is that a slice of panettone that Italian passport's sitting on?

That all indicates a certain measure of open mindedness. Which makes the title of your thread even more sad. You're trying to acquire a nationality you weren't born with. I've done that - it's a great thing. But it does suggest that you ought to know better than to start a coldjoint type thread with such a dumb title.

A word of advice: don't spout off such racist pooh at your nationality interview.
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I bore with the racist BS...truly.

I've got Kenyan friends, I've got Romanian friends, I've got Egyptian friends, Greek, Jew, German, Italian, Ugandan, I've got Irish and English friends, Swedes and Danes, Russians and Japanese, I've got Korean friends and Mexican friends, El Salvadoran, Filipino, and Saudi friends, African American friends Cherokee friends....

I am the furthest thing from a racist as you can find.

So a word of advice, don't go accusing someone of something when you don't know the person who you're accusing.

It is a narrow mind that does this, it is a narrow mind that cannot fathom that when you value something the natural instinct is to preserve it. I understand in today's secular, wish and whim, nihilistic worldview that this may be hard to grasp. That the illogical conclusion is that if you want to preserve something, if you value it for what it is, then you must hate that which it isn't. But see, that's hogwash.

Because I find value in Germany's culture as the culture is in no way signifies I hate Arabs. As a matter of fact I can tell you of one friend of mine who is Egyptian by birth but was raised in Vienna and the man is "more German" (Austrian, but, you know, still German) than a few of my German born friends. So, do I hate this man? This Egyptian? Because he's Egyptian? FFS NO!!!! Do I want Arabic to be spoken in Germany to such an extent as a result of an influx of migrants so many as that it changes the culture? FFS NO!!!!! Why? Because I value Germany and it's culture.

I also value Egyptian culture, and Saudi Culture, and all the other cultures, independently and distinct -- Distinct from one another.

That's what makes this world so grand. That's what makes it MULTI cultural. Not throwing everything together and making all the different the same. That's already been done here in America and let me tell you, when you actually live in a multicultural environment, truly, like I choose (Mine is the most or one of the most diverse zip codes in the country with 78 nationalities over 100 languages spoken) it isn't all that grand, hold hands and sing Kumbya bull **** that the media and liberal numb nuts like to portray. You want to know where those types live? The one's preaching the virtues of tolerance, diversity and multiculturalism? In the most honkey white, cookie cutter, tacky tacky neighborhoods you could ever possibly come across. And when an Arab or an orthodox Jew, or a black or a Mexican come into their neighborhood? They look aghast and point to their friends and leerily watch until they are out of sight.


I could carry on but I'm gonna end it here. I understand that these kinda sites and the internet as a whole is made for people just to spew out word vomit and anything they can say to make themselves feel smugly more superior on this topic or that, but the truth of the matter is that most people don't have the foggiest idea about that which they speak. I'm not one of those people. You should try not to be as well.
 
ChezC3 said:
I bore with the racist BS...truly.

I've got Kenyan friends, I've got Romanian friends, I've got Egyptian friends, Greek, Jew, German, Italian, Ugandan, I've got Irish and English friends, Swedes and Danes, Russians and Japanese, I've got Korean friends and Mexican friends, El Salvadoran, Filipino, and Saudi friends, African American friends Cherokee friends....

I am the furthest thing from a racist as you can find.

So a word of advice, don't go accusing someone of something when you don't know the person who you're accusing.

It is a narrow mind that does this, it is a narrow mind that cannot fathom that when you value something the natural instinct is to preserve it. I understand in today's secular, wish and whim, nihilistic worldview that this may be hard to grasp. That the illogical conclusion is that if you want to preserve something, if you value it for what it is, then you must hate that which it isn't. But see, that's hogwash.

Because I find value in Germany's culture as the culture is in no way signifies I hate Arabs. As a matter of fact I can tell you of one friend of mine who is Egyptian by birth but was raised in Vienna and the man is "more German" (Austrian, but, you know, still German) than a few of my German born friends. So, do I hate this man? This Egyptian? Because he's Egyptian? FFS NO!!!! Do I want Arabic to be spoken in Germany to such an extent as a result of an influx of migrants so many as that it changes the culture? FFS NO!!!!! Why? Because I value Germany and it's culture.

I also value Egyptian culture, and Saudi Culture, and all the other cultures, independently and distinct -- Distinct from one another.

That's what makes this world so grand. That's what makes it MULTI cultural. Not throwing everything together and making all the different the same. That's already been done here in America and let me tell you, when you actually live in a multicultural environment, truly, like I choose (Mine is the most or one of the most diverse zip codes in the country with 78 nationalities over 100 languages spoken) it isn't all that grand, hold hands and sing Kumbya bull **** that the media and liberal numb nuts like to portray. You want to know where those types live? The one's preaching the virtues of tolerance, diversity and multiculturalism? In the most honkey white, cookie cutter, tacky tacky neighborhoods you could ever possibly come across. And when an Arab or an orthodox Jew, or a black or a Mexican come into their neighborhood? They look aghast and point to their friends and leerily watch until they are out of sight.


I could carry on but I'm gonna end it here. I understand that these kinda sites and the internet as a whole is made for people just to spew out word vomit and anything they can say to make themselves feel smugly more superior on this topic or that, but the truth of the matter is that most people don't have the foggiest idea about that which they speak. I'm not one of those people. You should try not to be as well.
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"Well he's been to Nice and the Isles of Greece where he sipped champagne from a yacht,
Moved like Harlow in Monte Carlo and showed 'em what he's got............"

I preferred Nacy Wilson's version over Charlene's, personally.


That you have to retreat to the "Some of my best friend are...." routine speaks reams.

Yes, those of us who've visited the US know how f***ed up it is over race. Thanks for the confirmation anyhow.

When I hear Arabic spoken on the bus I don't give a toss. I know it is not about to "take over" from French.

The title of your thread has very nasty overtones. If you can't see that then I'll say again, good luck with your EU citizenship application - just don't be too honest about your feelings at the interview. You might just come up against people that don't want YOU in Italy. I mean, there's enough English spoken there :roll:

Ciao caro.
 
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Urethra Franklin said:
"Well he's been to Nice and the Isles of Greece where he sipped champagne from a yacht,
Moved like Harlow in Monte Carlo and showed 'em what he's got............"

I preferred Nacy Wilson's version over Charlene's, personally.


That you have to retreat to the "Some of my best friend are...." routine speaks reams.

Yes, those of us who've visited the US know how f***ed up it is. Thanks for the confirmation anyhow.

When I hear Arabic spoken on the bus I don't give a toss. I know it is not about to "take over" from French.

The title of your thread has very nasty overtones. If you can't se that then I'll say again, good luck with your EU citizenship application - just don't be too honest about your feelings at the interview. You moght just come up against people that don't want YOU in Italy. i mean, there's enough English spoken there :roll:
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Should have guessed, but unlike some I give tend to give people the benefit....

But thanks for making it explicit.

Ciao
 
Currently, there are around 267,500 Syrians with approved asylum status who are candidates for the family reunification scheme but the number could rise to as many as 390,000 by next year Focus Online reports.

If each person eligible were to bring only three other family members each, the number of migrants coming to Germany could increase by well over a million in the span of a year.
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http://www.focus.de/politik/deutschland/antragsflut-fuer-familien-visa-fluechtlinge-ab-2018-koennen-390-000-syrer-ihre-familien-nach-deutschland-holen_id_7525769.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-idUSKBN1771IP

390,000 Syrians Eligible To Bring Their Families to Germany in 2018


This is the part all those people trying to minimize the numbers and effects always want to leave out.
 
The source is "Bild". Anyone who has only a little of a clue about German affairs knows what that means.

btw, beside any numbers - I´m okay with that. I´m not that cruel to keep families parted because of some weird stomach feelings from nationalists.
 
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german hick said:
The source is "Bild". Anyone who has only a little of a clue about German affairs knows what that means.
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............joke that's been going around over "Bild" since it was first founded in 1952:

"Man murders wife and puts her body thru a meat grinder. Bild is the first to interview the victim".

Accompanied by the general advice to never hold the paper in any other mode but "horizontal", the otherwise ensuing deluge of blood contained within not only soiling the reader but washing any article not nailed down, straight out of the household.:lamo
btw, beside any numbers - I´m okay with that. I´m not that cruel to keep families parted because of some weird stomach feelings from nationalists.
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Quite apart from which, the logical challenge would consist of asking how one or even two million Arabs can cause (all?) Germans to speak Arabic, when a considerably larger number of Turks that's been in the country far longer has failed in making them speak Turkish.

Not to mention over 2 million Poles that have been migrating (to Germany) since the late 1880s failing to dominate the German language.

But there is little point in challenging the logic of a premise, when that premise is totally devoid of any logic to begin with.

Heck, if there's any danger presented to the integrity of the German language, it's been coming from Bavaria since time immemorial, with Saxons in close competition.:mrgreen:

"Herr lass Hirn vom Himmel regnen" (see post # 7 for translation).

On which note (language) the thread title, if it's supposed to make any sense at all, should read "Germans might as well start Arabisch zu sprechen".

The way it's formulated, all it says is "Germans might as well start do you speak Arabic". Although that sort of gibberish is well in keeping with the whole nature of this thread. :roll:
 
We call that language "Denglish" here, and that is a reall threat to anyone who likes German. More than bavarian, saxon, turkish and arabic language together. :lol:
 
If only a constructive argument could be made on the topic of the thread instead of undirected ad homs...

Like little boys jerking it under the bedsheets...

:lamo
 
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ChezC3 said:
If only a constructive argument could be made on the topic of the thread instead of undirected ad homs...

Like little boys jerking it under the bedsheets...

:lamo
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What you appear to have missed as much as you missed presenting any sensible premise in your thread, is that the constructive argument has already been made on the topic of this thread.

And it consists of calling your thread premise (especially in view of the chosen title) a load of bull with plenty of explanations accompanying that verdict.

Calling your premise a load of tripe isn't actually ad-hom (look up the term), but if you want to extend it to yourself, nothing anyone can do about it.
 
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Chagos said:
What you appear to have missed as much as you missed presenting any sensible premise in your thread, is that the constructive argument has already been made on the topic of this thread.

And it consists of calling your thread premise (especially in view of the chosen title) a load of bull with plenty of explanations accompanying that verdict.

Calling your premise a load of tripe isn't actually ad-hom (look up the term), but if you want to extend it to yourself, nothing anyone can do about it.
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What you appear to have missed is context. What I appear to have missed is the location of any semblance of a coherent argument emanating from you.

Perhaps the sort you surround yourself with are impressed with feigned high brow twaddle but as I impressed on you earlier, when dealing with the genuine article, you must up your game.

When you get a clue, do bring it to someone who gives a damn, won't you?

Since I must be explicit, this is the point in our conversation where you are dismissed.
 
ChezC3 said:
~................... this is the point in our conversation where you are dismissed.
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Considering how that's been your status from the getgo, it sure took you long enough to come to the same conclusion.
 
Besides the things Chagos already said, where is the sense of a diskussion if any argument of somebody who does not share your own values is "no argument"?

I think it would be better for you to talk with a mirror or a buddy who always celebrates every outcome of your genius brain with a big party...
 
joG said:
He was a great leader of the Eu and stands for all they are. Why shouldn't he be a fine adversary for Merkel?
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Because he is a "tired" Socialist with "tired" ideas about how the country should be run.

And I can't imagine why you call him a "great leader of the EU":
* He did Eff-all whilst at Berlaymont. Except earn a damn-fine salary. (Basic monthly salaries of the High Commission here in pdf.)
* Doesn't even have a high-school degree
* Womanizer (not that he was the only one in Brussels)

Berk, berk, berk. The Left can do better.

But not for as long as Merkel wants to be Chancellor ... she's good at what she does. Like the scientist she is, she rarely bites off more than she can chew, and when she puts her mind to something she has formidable arguments.

Germany's unemployment rate is 3.9%. Merkel did underestimate the flack from the Refugee Crisis - where Germany took in the most of them of any European country. German industry needs desperately warm-bodies that can be trained quickly at the lower levels of employment because most of its kids go off to university.

And I get all that from what I read in the news, in English. Still, Schulz's campaign has been a mess since he declared. He'd be lucky to get elected dog-catcher - she's got an 15 point lead on him. From here (28 August):
Opinion polls out on March 11 showed Schulz with 33 percent of voting intentions – the same as Merkel's CDU party. Since then, Schulz's position has deteriorated. Polls out last Saturday gave only 23 percent of the votes to Schulz and 38 percent to Merkel.
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Still, one never really knows until the voting centers close and count the vote ...
 
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