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taking Barcelona terror attack to the forum it belongs

It may be coincidence but the Catalan local government and the Spanish national government don't seem to be issuing joint statements.
 
Manc Skipper said:
It may be coincidence but the Catalan local government and the Spanish national government don't seem to be issuing joint statements.
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Not sure that Rajoy has sufficient Catalan to hack it with the locals.:mrgreen:

Naw, he had to cut his vacation and travel (to Barcelona). We'll have to wait and see whether he and Puigdemont can actually bring themselves to a joint appearance in face of tragedy, or whether enmity will govern to the point of foolishness. I somehow doubt the latter happening.

Meanwhile police have killed 4 suspects in Cambrils (seaside resort South East of Barcelona), seemingly foiling another terror attack that was supposed to take place in coordination with the Barcelona one.

Neither of the two suspects arrested in and around Barcelona is the driver of the Las Ramblas van.

An explosion that happened in a house in Alcanar earlier on (leaving one dead and injuring several others ) is linked to the whole attack. Alcanar Platja is also South East of Barcelona on the same coast.

Meanwhile the guy shot dead when trying to run down a police road block appears not linked to any of this.
 
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We have a new addition to our never ending prayer list.
 
Las Ramblas is open for business and full of people again.. terrorists will NEVER WIN!
 
The number of perps killed by police in Cambrils has risen to 5.

Simply because the 5th perp has meanwhile succumbed to gunshot wounds received when the whole bunch of them tried to do the same as the perps in Barcelona, run down as many people as possible on the sea-side promenade there with yet another van.

Fortunately taken out before they could manage greater damage.

Like the perps in London (Borough market) wearing fake explosives vests, it looks like not only the MO is copied but also that logistic problems on procuring combat-worthy materials also abide.

That they were trying to build bombs in the house that previously exploded in Alcanar seems probable, but is as yet not officially confirmed.
 
PeteEU said:
Las Ramblas is open for business and full of people again.. terrorists will NEVER WIN!
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After the Madrid bombings, Spain left the fight in Afghanistan.
The terrorists won.

What sort of security measures are now in place in Las Ramblas that were not present on Wednesday?
 
Athanasius68 said:
After the Madrid bombings, Spain left the fight in Afghanistan.
The terrorists won.
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Spain left Afghanistan in 2015... the Madrid bombings were in 2004.

What sort of security measures are now in place in Las Ramblas that were not present on Wednesday?
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They are most likely beefed up, but not much different. Do you know what Las Ramblas is?
 
PeteEU said:
Spain left Afghanistan in 2015... the Madrid bombings were in 2004.



They are most likely beefed up, but not much different. Do you know what Las Ramblas is?
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Iraq, not Afghanistan.
 
PeteEU said:
Las Ramblas is open for business and full of people again.. terrorists will NEVER WIN!
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I always wonder. What makes people say things like that? We have been watching terror of different types and intensities all around the world for many decades. There have been periods with this level hit taking place continuously. As societies we have tried varying reactions. But what do you want to do? Accept that this is like crossing a road. You can die any time.
But you have to eat in the mean time. So go to work in the morning.
 
Chagos said:
.......and in the process hopefully away from the partisan hackery stench already spreading in the usual swamp "over there".

Barcelona van attack: multiple deaths reported in Las Ramblas area



https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...van-driven-into-crowd-in-las-ramblas-district

Motive and identity of perpetrators so far not confirmed but a van was deliberately driven into pedestrians on Barcelona's famous Las Ramblas at around 5 p.m. CET, causing multiple deaths and many injured.

Much confusion still abounding but various Spanish news sources appear to agree on the death toll having reached 13 by now.

Authorities have named it (what else?) a terrorist attack.
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Thinking of why.
It might be called to mind how badly Europeans fell down immigration and integration but worse on Libya, Syria and other areas of Africa and into the Arab regions. Going by this and the regional backward attitudes to data mining and handling, this might make one expect much more of this into the future. Paying off North African warlords, as variius European countries are attempting might slow some issues from exploitation, but it has more the feel of desparation and too late.
It would surprise me, if we do not see many more such attacks. But at least the police are on the spot quickly.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Iraq, not Afghanistan.
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Iraq was an illegal war that the right wing party put Spain in. But it was not what made the left win. It was the incompetence of the PP party and them coming out accusing ETA of the Madrid attack before they had the facts. This, along with corruption scandals and incompetence scandals pushed people over the edge and went with the left.
 
To call the behaviour of "the Spanish" that followed the 2004 Madrid train bombing disgraceful, is yet just another example of utter ignorance on actual happenings serving as an emboldenment to demonstrate said ignorance even more, rather than causing any holder of such ignorance to be silent on matters so clearly clueless about.

The Madrid train bombings did not cause Spain to leave the insane Iraq venture, the blatant lies that the Spanish government tried to feed to its people over the true perpetrators of the attack caused it to lose the elections that were running practically parallel to the whole proceedings.

Where there was absolutely no majority support among the people for involvement in Iraq in the first place, opinion polls immediately after the attacks still showed the Aznar bunch of liars to win the election, even if only by a slight margin.

Well Aznar (all the way to Loyola de Palacio) couldn't leave well enough alone and, in the idiotic move of trying to pin Madrid on ETA so as to deflect from the far more uncomfortable issue, had to go and blow it to the point that government-aligned national TV was still pushing the ETA angle at the same time that crowds outside TVE HQ were bellowing for it to stop the lying.

I well remember Spanish neighbors visiting my house at the time to profit from the Satellite TV I had, to get the real picture that foreign news outlets had long since been reporting on, namely that Spanish security forces had identified the perps as being from the AQ swamp days ago and that the Aznar bunch of prevaricators were suppressing any information on that.

THAT lost the PP the election, NOT the Madrid attacks themselves.

Without that blatant cheating of the public by the PP, the PSOE would not have won the elections and would not have been empowered to do what it had always promised in and before its campaigning, to withdraw Spain from the involvement in an enterprise that had also been based on lies from the outset.

The whole blather that prompts this excursion into past history showing yet again that living in some foreign country clearly does not automatically for knowledge upon it make. A constantly recurring feature as we, just as constantly, keep getting to see from the "source":roll: in question.
 
PeteEU said:
Iraq was an illegal war that the right wing party put Spain in. But it was not what made the left win. It was the incompetence of the PP party and them coming out accusing ETA of the Madrid attack before they had the facts. This, along with corruption scandals and incompetence scandals pushed people over the edge and went with the left.
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In greater brevity:thumbs:

At the time the likes of CNN (if broadcasting at all outside of Satellites) did not have, as far as I recall, a Spanish version yet and BBC and Sky (not to mention French and German channels) were not available on the terrestrial transmissions.

So my neighbors greatly appreciated the set-up I had and my translations of what was being reported just as much.

One of the items being that foreign channels actually revealed how Loyola de Palacio (foreign minister at the time) had instructed all Spanish embassies in a memo to sell the ETA angle under all circumstances to other governments.

Indignation peaked when, on a foreign channel, a Spanish police spokesman actually named Madrid as an Islamic terror attack while TVE and others were still peddling the ETA lies.
 
Thoughts are with all involved.

Thinking of Anda and his friends/loved ones there.

The little 7 year old boy from Sydney is also still missing. He was with his Mum when the vehicle struck, she was badly injured in the attack and is in hospital. His whereabouts are unknown. Beyond awful.
 
If one can speak of good fortune in a context like this one at all, it's beginning to look as if something "much bigger" by use of IEDs was planned by these thugs .

The explosion in the house at Alcanar indicates that bomb building efforts there went awry (one dead), thus prompting premature actions by the Cambrils and Barcelona perps.

The two attacks were obviously then committed in haste before the police, alerted by said explosion, could and would catch up with them.

Small comfort that it could and probably would otherwise have been worse but one doesn't get to be picky in this day and age.

Casualty count currently up to 14, the 14th having been a woman at Cambrils. According to reports here many in hospital are still fighting for their lives.

Fingers crossed.
 
A horrific attack. My sincere condolences. Wishing the injured all speed with recovery.
 
Serenity said:
Thoughts are with all involved.

Thinking of Anda and his friends/loved ones there.

The little 7 year old boy from Sydney is also still missing. He was with his Mum when the vehicle struck, she was badly injured in the attack and is in hospital. His whereabouts are unknown. Beyond awful.
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Sadly he has now been identified as being among those killed.

Terrible.
 
Chagos said:
Sadly he has now been identified as being among those killed.

Terrible.
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Yeah. 7 Years old. I just can't.....

Sickening.
 
PeteEU said:
bla bla bla bla.. there were more terror attacks in the 70s and 80s...
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Your head sinks deeper in the sand by the day.
 
Barcelona attack: Suspected van driver shot dead by police

August 21, 2017

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A witness near a petrol station tipped off police. AFP

Spanish police have shot dead the main suspect in last Thursday's Barcelona attack, Younes Abouyaaqoub. Police believe he was the driver of a van which careered down the Las Ramblas avenue, killing 13 and injuring more than 100 others. He was killed some 25 miles (40km) west of Barcelona near a petrol station following a tip off. Abouyaaqoub, wearing a fake explosive belt, is reported to have shouted "Allahu Akbar" ("God is Greatest"). An extensive manhunt was already under way when police closed in on the Subirats area, close to Sant Sadurní d'Anoia. Bomb disposal officers went to the scene and used a robot to examine the fake explosive belt. This led to some delay before Abouyaaqoub could be officially identified.

The Catalan police said the operation was still under way and Cadena Ser radio reported that an extensive search was continuing for another man and a van. Local residents described seeing some 20 police cars heading for the scene and helicopters circling. Police said the investigation was still international in scope. At an earlier news conference, police described how after the Barcelona attack, Abouyaaqoub made his escape on foot to the outskirts of the city where he hijacked a car. CCTV footage in Spanish media appears to show him walking through a market district shortly after the attack. Some 90 minutes after driving down Las Ramblas, Abouyaaqoub fled to the city's university district, police said. He hijacked the car before driving it through a police checkpoint and later abandoning the vehicle. he male driver of the car, Pau Pérez, 34, from Vila Franca, was found stabbed to death in the back seat. Police named him as the 15th victim of the Barcelona bloodshed and a later attack in the resort of Cambrils. A woman died in Cambrils when a car was driven into pedestrians and five suspected jihadists were killed at the scene by police early on Friday.

Police have also confirmed that an imam suspected of radicalising the young men who carried out the attacks died in an explosion on Wednesday at a house in Alcanar, south of Barcelona, that was being used as a bomb factory. The remains of one other person found at the house are still being examined. The terror cell behind the attacks was 12 strong. Police say eight suspects are now dead and four are in custody. The group had apparently been planning three co-ordinated attacks using home-made bombs, but were thwarted by the Alcanar blast. Police found about 120 gas canisters at the Alcanar site. So-called Islamic State (IS) said it had carried out the Las Ramblas and Cambrils attacks, though it is not clear whether any of the attackers were directly connected to the group or simply inspired by it.

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It seems the Spanish police are rapidly rolling up this terror cell.
 
Horrible, horrible weekend in Barcelona. I've nothing to say other than that at the very least the nest of vipers has been eliminated. What can anyone say? I'm sick to the stomach.
 
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