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Why are there Islamic Terror attacks in Europe? [W:208]

PeteEU said:
So the Bible is responsible for the murder and abuse of children by the radical mormons or Jehovas? Or is it the people who interpret the Bible to justify their actions,...aint their fault?

The Bible after all is far more violent than the Koran.
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The Bible does not tell you how to interpret it, the Koran does.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Why isn't Christianity responsible for all the crimes Christians commit? Do you realize that Christians in America murder and rape people every single day, both of which is explicitly condoned in the Bible. Should we hold the individuals responsible or all Christians?
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Because the doctrine of Christianity does not tell Christians to do those things. Islam encourages anything or anyway it can be advanced, including terror.
 
Serenity said:
Those who engage in terrorist behaviour are responsible for the killing. So the correct answer is the terrorists of course.

Unless you don't believe in holding people responsible for THEIR own actions or believe in personal responsibility.
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If the terrorist who ran his truck into a crowd in Charlottesville is not merely a terrorist, but a Nazi terrorist, then why are the terrorists who ran trucks into crowds in Nice/London/Barcelona not Islamic terrorists instead of just terrorists?

IOW, why is the former's Nazi ideology part of his description but the latter's Islamist ideology not part of their's.
 
coldjoint said:
Because the doctrine of Christianity does not tell Christians to do those things. Islam encourages anything or anyway it can be advanced, including terror.
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Yes it does. There are even more ****ed up things in the bible than the koran but its your religion so you'll make excuses until the cows come home. You don't apply the same standard to everyone else. And before you go trying to guess my opinion I think both of your religions are violence ridden abominations to human decency.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Yes it does. There are even more ****ed up things in the bible than the koran but its your religion so you'll make excuses until the cows come home. You don't apply the same standard to everyone else. And before you go trying to guess my opinion I think both of your religions are violence ridden abominations to human decency.
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Show me something in the NT that says to kill anyone.
 
Chagos said:
The end of story will be when you stop lying. As you are prone to do with every thread you start and every post you make. That apparently would thus equate to when you stop posting. Until then................

No more today though, seeing how I'm sick of your dishonesty, here and elsewhere, for one day.
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Every Islamic extremist will tell you they are acting for the glory of, and at the behest of, Islam. Why do you doubt they're telling the truth? They make no secret of it.
 
stevecanuck said:
Every Islamic extremist will tell you they are acting for the glory of, and at the behest of, Islam. Why do you doubt they're telling the truth? They make no secret of it.
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Chagos is doing the lying here. He refuses to address what Islam says. All he has is a smear repeated over and over which has nothing to do with the topic or the questions he refuses to answer. Then he tells us he knows so much and we know so little but never backs it up. Why is that?
 
coldjoint said:
Show me something in the NT that says to kill anyone.
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See, you've already thrown out half of your holy book because you know how many ****ed up things happen in the old testament. Have you talked to muslims and had them explain to you why the parts the terrorists use aren't what they're supposed to follow today? What is just there for historical purposes like all of the atrocities in the bible? You don't hold both to the same standard.

Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
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RabidAlpaca said:
See, you've already thrown out half of your holy book because you know how many ****ed up things happen in the old testament. Have you talked to muslims and had them explain to you why the parts the terrorists use aren't what they're supposed to follow today? What is just there for historical purposes like all of the atrocities in the bible? You don't hold both to the same standard.
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Does the OT have open ended calls for war? No it does not. Islam does. That is a huge difference. The Jews were finished killing Islam will never finish.
 
coldjoint said:
Does the OT have open ended calls for war? No it does not. Islam does. That is a huge difference. The Jews were finished killing Islam will never finish.
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How the godly should behave in war:

They fought against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every man. . . . The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. . . . Moses was angry with the officers. . . . “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. . . . “Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.” . . . So Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the Lord commanded Moses. The plunder remaining from the spoils that the soldiers took was 675,000 sheep, 72,000 cattle, 61,000 donkeys and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man. The half share of those who fought in the battle was . . . 16,000 people, of whom the tribute for the Lord was 32. (Numbers 31:7–40 NIV)
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A loving god wages war

You shall acknowledge no God but me. . . . You are destroyed, Israel. . . . The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open. (Hosea 13:4, 9, 16 NIV)
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What we can all look forward to
See, the day of the Lord is coming—a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger. . . . I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty. . . . Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated. (Isaiah 13:9–16 NIV)
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Though shalt be rewarded for murdering mixed race couples
Just then one of the Israelites came and brought a Midianite woman into his family, in the sight of Moses and in the sight of the whole congregation of the Israelites. When Phinehas son of Eleazar, son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he got up and left the congregation. Taking a spear in his hand, he went after the Israelite man into the tent, and pierced the two of them, the Israelite and the woman, through the belly. So the plague was stopped among the people of Israel. Nevertheless those that died by the plague were twenty-four thousand. The Lord spoke to Moses, saying: “Phinehas son of Eleazar, son of Aaron the priest, has turned back my wrath from the Israelites by manifesting such zeal among them on my behalf that in my jealousy I did not consume the Israelites. Therefore say, ‘I hereby grant him my covenant of peace. It shall be for him and for his descendants after him a covenant of perpetual priesthood, because he was zealous for his God, and made atonement for the Israelites.’” (Numbers 25:6–13 NRSV)
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RabidAlpaca said:
Do you have me confused with someone else? As far as I can tell the only view I've expressed so far in this thread is that you were objectively wrong in your statement that no European nations helped in Afghanistan an Iraq. It is however super nice as a veteran of Afghanistan to be called a terrorist sympathizer by some child on the internet who makes up facts as he goes along and slings insults.
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Maybe I have confused you for someone else. If I have, I apologize.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Yes it does. There are even more ****ed up things in the bible than the koran but its your religion so you'll make excuses until the cows come home. You don't apply the same standard to everyone else. And before you go trying to guess my opinion I think both of your religions are violence ridden abominations to human decency.
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Then why the constant deflection and condemnation only for Christians? Why on earth would you object to having something called Islamic terrorism if that's what it is and condemn it without the usual deflections? Could you imagine a set of circumstances where you'd speak up on behalf of Christians? Both are a system of beliefs and I cannot tell you how many times I've been told by atheists that it's fine to question or criticize beliefs but you get immediately defensive over Islam. There's an atheist here that has no use for my beliefs. He makes it very clear, but he's equally as condemning of Islam. I don't like a lot of what he says but, at least, he's consistent. I don't understand atheists like you that claim you see all religion as the same but far from act like it.
 
X Factor said:
Then why the constant deflection and condemnation only for Christians? Why on earth would you object to having something called Islamic terrorism if that's what it is and condemn it without the usual deflections? Could you imagine a set of circumstances where you'd speak up on behalf of Christians? Both are a system of beliefs and I cannot tell you how many times I've been told by atheists that it's fine to question or criticize beliefs but you get immediately defensive over Islam. There's an atheist here that has no use for my beliefs. He makes it very clear, but he's equally as condemning of Islam. I don't like a lot of what he says but, at least, he's consistent. I don't understand atheists like you that claim you see all religion as the same but far from act like it.
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Once again, out of sheer laziness and an undue assumption of my position, you missed this just a few posts ago:

RabidAlpaca said:
Yes it does. There are even more ****ed up things in the bible than the koran but its your religion so you'll make excuses until the cows come home. You don't apply the same standard to everyone else. And before you go trying to guess my opinion I think both of your religions are violence ridden abominations to human decency.
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They're both just ****ing awful. I'm not defending one, I'm attacking both. Bring a muslim in here and let him talk about how the koran doesn't have all the messed up stuff the bible has and I'll lay into him too.
 
coldjoint said:
Because the doctrine of Christianity does not tell Christians to do those things. Islam encourages anything or anyway it can be advanced, including terror.
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Well the fact is that anything can be justified in someone's mind if they believe God supports it. That goes for Christians as well. There is a difference, though, between being a certain religion and committing a crime and committing a crime because of and in the name of your religion. A distinction often lost on those engaging in the usual deflections.
 
coldjoint said:
Chagos is doing the lying here. .....................~
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That, coming from someone by now shown as one of the most dishonest posters on the forum, serves merely to discredit you further.

And pointing out your consistent propensity for lying, misrepresenting, deflecting, presenting crap sources, forging links, forging article contents, IOW the whole caboodle in which your total dishonesty presents itself, is not a smear but a documentation of the behaviour you resort to.

That you also appear unable to actually answer the question this thread presents, just aptly demonstrates how little you know so as to provide a pertinent address of the question.

All you ever have is "Islam is eevull" and it would surprise nobody if that were your contribution to a topic dealing with whether red wine is healthy or not.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Once again, out of sheer laziness and an undue assumption of my position, you missed this just a few posts ago:



They're both just ****ing awful. I'm not defending one, I'm attacking both. Bring a muslim in here and let him talk about how the koran doesn't have all the messed up stuff the bible has and I'll lay into him too.
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Lol, sure. If that were true, you'd be more in agreement with criticism rather that constantly deflecting from it.
 
X Factor said:
Well the fact is that anything can be justified in someone's mind if they believe God supports it. That goes for Christians as well. There is a difference, though, between being a certain religion and committing a crime and committing a crime because of and in the name of your religion. A distinction often lost on those engaging in the usual deflections.
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I actually very much share into the point you make previously (post #62) in that I also can see no sense either in Christianity (and thus the bible) being constantly brought up in this context.

Whatever calls to violence can be found in the "Book" of any religion, cannot, on their own, serve to negatively define that religion overall and most certainly not all its followers in the most broad brushing of ways.

Just to add that IS (chuck in AQ, Al Shabab and all the other despicable bunch of bigoted thugs) is about as much about Islam as Westboros or Kluxers etc. taking the name (of the Lord) in vain, is anything to do with actual Christians.

Whether one is of any faith or atheist, if one cannot discern that simple truth, one is already lost in the maze of one's own bias.
 
Why are there any kind of terror attacks anywhere?

Fill us in.
 
Chagos said:
That, coming from someone by now shown as one of the most dishonest posters on the forum, serves merely to discredit you further.

And pointing out your consistent propensity for lying, misrepresenting, deflecting, presenting crap sources, forging links, forging article contents, IOW the whole caboodle in which your total dishonesty presents itself, is not a smear but a documentation of the behaviour you resort to.

That you also appear unable to actually answer the question this thread presents, just aptly demonstrates how little you know so as to provide a pertinent address of the question.

All you ever have is "Islam is eevull" and it would surprise nobody if that were your contribution to a topic dealing with whether red wine is healthy or not.
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Islam is evil. But of course you will not tell us why it is not. So Islam is evil stands until challenged with quotes from their own literature that prove something different.

I have yet to see any verses that prove anything you say. Let's get on that or just go away because you contribute gossip and that is all.
 
coldjoint said:
Islam is evil. But of course you will not tell us why it is not. So Islam is evil stands until challenged with quotes from their own literature that prove something different.

I have yet to see any verses that prove anything you say. Let get on that or just go away because you contribute gossip and that is all.
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You have no knowledge of any Islamic literature and, as already pointed out, outlining your dishonesty, bigotry and ignorance is a documentation that has nothing to do with gossip.
 
Chagos said:
I actually very much share into the point you make previously (post #62) in that I also can see no sense either in Christianity (and thus the bible) being constantly brought up in this context.

Whatever calls to violence can be found in the "Book" of any religion, cannot, on their own, serve to negatively define that religion overall and most certainly not all its followers in the most broad brushing of ways.

Just to add that IS (chuck in AQ, Al Shabab and all the other despicable bunch of bigoted thugs) is about as much about Islam as Westboros or Kluxers etc. taking the name (of the Lord) in vain, is anything to do with actual Christians.

Whether one is of any faith or atheist, if one cannot discern that simple truth, one is already lost in the maze of one's own bias.
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Even the type of consistency you're showing is rare and I respect it.
 
coldjoint said:
The thread concerns Islamic terror.
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How many different kinds of terrorism are there in the world? I am assuming that when you said terror you meant terrorism.
 
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