Refugee Murdered American Soldier, According to Prosecution

The publication Stars and Stripes is reporting that a 20 year old Afghan man seeking asylum in Germany has been charged in the 2014 death of Pfc. Christian Jake Chandler of Trenton, TX.

Chandler, 20 at the time of his death, was a 2012 graduate of Whitewright High School. He was assigned to Fort Drum, NY
based 2nd battalion, 87th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat team, 10th Mountain Division. He died on April 28, 2014, when enemy forces attacked his unit with small arms fire.

The story said the killer was identified as Abdol Moghada, who was also charged with the attempted murder of two more American soldiers who were wounded in the same ambush in 2014.

Asylum-seeker in Germany charged in 2014 death of Trenton soldier - News - Herald Democrat - Sherman, TX

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Moghada was arrested after applying for asylum in Germany. I'm not sure how long he's been living in and off of Germany, but judging from recent pics, he looked happy and well fed. I wonder how many other migrants in Europe hold a similar past...or future for that matter?

I'm shocked that the American media whores aren't covering this.

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^ No coverage.

There's two important things about this: He was a juvenile at the time (about 17 years old) and was fighting foreign invaders in a war in his home country. I don't see how that could possibly be classified as murder. War sucks and I've experienced it, but I'm not going to start pretending that the Taliban needs to be charged with murder for attacking uniformed soldiers in war. Those that attack civilians obviously should be, but that's obviously not the case here.

truthatallcost said:

I'm shocked that the American media whores aren't covering this.
-ABC
-CBS
-NBC
-CNN
-MSNBC
-NYT
-WaPo
^ No coverage.

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Probably because it's relatively unimportant news. If the news doesn't blast the exact stories you want to hear about, it must be a conspiracy to cover it up, right?

RabidAlpaca said:

There's two important things about this: He was a juvenile at the time (about 17 years old) and was fighting foreign invaders in a war in his home country. I don't see how that could possibly be classified as murder. War sucks and I've experienced it, but I'm not going to start pretending that the Taliban needs to be charged with murder for attacking uniformed soldiers in war. Those that attack civilians obviously should be, but that's obviously not the case here.

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Do you think Taliban members should be allowed asylum in Germany? You live in Europe, right?

Probably because it's relatively unimportant news. If the news doesn't blast the exact stories you want to hear about, it must be a conspiracy to cover it up, right?

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Considering that the media I mentioned will be talking about Charlottesville for the next 2 weeks, and trying to tie it to Trump & conservatives, it'd be nice if they could take a few minutes to talk about our fallen countryman here, and the circumstances surrounding the story.

truthatallcost said:

Do you think Taliban members should be allowed asylum in Germany? You live in Europe, right? Considering that the media I mentioned will be talking about Charlottesville for the next 2 weeks, and trying to tie it to Trump & conservatives, it'd be nice if they could take a few minutes to talk about our fallen countryman here, and the circumstances surrounding the story.

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Proof at time of asylum is critical.

Our nation is in turmoil where deniers at all costs try and deflect the increase in violence and the radical right becoming emboldened enough for it's repulsive elements to march in public as media driven??? Members of Trump's own PARTY are demanding Trump say/do more than blame 'many sides, many sides'...

What you really want is for the media to tell the news the way you want it to... eace

notquiteright said:

Proof at time of asylum is critical.

Our nation is in turmoil where deniers at all costs try and deflect the increase in violence and the radical right becoming emboldened enough for it's repulsive elements to march in public as media driven??? Members of Trump's own PARTY are demanding Trump say/do more than blame 'many sides, many sides'...

What you really want is for the media to tell the news the way you want it to... eace

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Actually all we can want from the news is to be critical of everything they cover, and treat it with some kind of decorum. If they actually managed to cover stories that did more than serve their own political/social agenda, then we could have more trust in them to do so. But as of now we are relegated to seeing what the news post that morning, and then using multiple other sources to flesh out the details that they just somehow forgot to mention.

Not to mention sitting on the side line, and seeing them ignore other relevant stories in order to espouse the same message.

After keeping track of the migrant issue for some time, I can share your need for actual proof on the issue. But as I have seen in the past few months, Germany is currently dealing with a massive intake that they are nearly incapable of dealing with correctly. Even Canada is dealing with some rather strange immigration issues, when people seeking asylum under the guise of children on paper. Turn out to be 30-45 year olds in real life.

This issue needs more time to be resolved correctly, it hasn't built up enough evidence, and I would rather not cast blame on either party involved at the moment. Being a veteran as well, I know that it most likely will not come out well for anyone involved. Though that doesn't account for how long the case they are building could get drawn out.

Germany has not had a good year, and will not cease in this for some time it seems.

notquiteright said:

Proof at time of asylum is critical.

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Next to impossible to obtain, due to the lack of ability to discern who anybody is during the asylum process. A decent liar stands a pretty good chance of duping the vetting process. I'd really like to know how they tied this guy to the Taliban to begin with.

Our nation is in turmoil where deniers at all costs try and deflect the increase in violence

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I expect you to afford us the same treatment you did with every new case of Islamic terrorism:

Say, "but they aren't all like that. If we judge them all as being terrorists, we'll just create more." Thank you.

and the radical right becoming emboldened enough for it's repulsive elements to march in public as media driven???

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Did I say that?

Members of Trump's own PARTY are demanding Trump say/do more than blame 'many sides, many sides'...

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Who? Name names please.

What you really want is for the media to tell the news the way you want it to... eace

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There's a song from the 80's that goes, 'everybody wants to rule the world'. You familiar with that one?

truthatallcost said:

Do you think Taliban members should be allowed asylum in Germany? You live in Europe, right?
Considering that the media I mentioned will be talking about Charlottesville for the next 2 weeks, and trying to tie it to Trump & conservatives, it'd be nice if they could take a few minutes to talk about our fallen countryman here, and the circumstances surrounding the story.

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I'm not saying they should be granted asylum, I'm saying trying them for murder for attacking uniformed invaders of their country as a paramilitary group is nonsense. It's not murder, it's war. That is the title and central theme of your thread. Our countryman should've never been there in the first place and this blood is on our politicians.

I'd really like to present news coverage that the guy arrived in Germany in skeleton shape (due to the lousy diet the Taliban provide) and was thus initially turned over to one of the local "here, stuff your face" units that Germany is famous for.:mrgreen:

Alas, nothing can be uncovered to that effect.

Just to put something(s) of relevance into this (yet another) bovine manure thread,

1. It is against the law in Germany to be or become member of a terrorist organization and that applies to Germans and other nationals alike.

2. The Taliban IS/ARE classified as a terrorist organization by Germany.

3. He's not the only Afghani "refugee" in Germany that is currently either under investigation or under prosecution for having belonged to the Taliban.

As to how he was uncovered by the stupid Germans, the Germans have equally stupid military in Afghanistan and an equally stupid military intelligence unit there. Both of which, in conjunction with Pashto and Dari speaking "auxiliaries" both in Afghanistan and Germany, can actually wind up counting two and two together, no matter how intellectually challenging this may be.

As a result of which.............see above 3.

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P.S. With Charlottesville not being in Europe, I don't give a damn about it here. Not because I don't generally give a damn but because I can not only keep different geographical locations apart but also the respective forums that pertain to them.

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truthatallcost said:

Next to impossible to obtain, due to the lack of ability to discern who anybody is during the asylum process. A decent liar stands a pretty good chance of duping the vetting process. I'd really like to know how they tied this guy to the Taliban to begin with. I expect you to afford us the same treatment you did with every new case of Islamic terrorism: Say, "but they aren't all like that. If we judge them all as being terrorists, we'll just create more." Thank you. Did I say that? Who? Name names please. There's a song from the 80's that goes, 'everybody wants to rule the world'. You familiar with that one?

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Ahhh now your an ex-spurt on the asylum process... :roll:

The rest is odd deflection babble, but Big D's comments on the Charlestown murder by a white supremacist was to blame many sides, many sides- only after his party shamed him did he say anything close to what any normal human would say.

notquiteright said:

Ahhh now your an ex-spurt on the asylum process... :roll:

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I'm basing my opinion on the public statements of European intelligence officials, which I'm betting you've never heard. The terrorists involved in the Charlie Hebdo massacre were members of Isil in Syria, and snuck into France by merely using fake identification they made themselves.

The rest is odd deflection babble, but Big D's comments on the Charlestown murder by a white supremacist was to blame many sides, many sides- only after his party shamed him did he say anything close to what any normal human would say.

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You can't name one person in Trump's party who's shaming him in the press?

Are you aware that after the 2015 San Bernardino terrorist attack, which killed 14 people, Obama didn't speak publicly about it for 3 days? When he did speak out, he made a point of saying that the attackers weren't connected to mainstream Islam. We're you outraged when that happened?

truthatallcost said:

I'm basing my opinion on the public statements of European intelligence officials, which I'm betting you've never heard. The terrorists involved in the Charlie Hebdo massacre were members of Isil in Syria, and snuck into France by merely using fake identification they made themselves.



You can't name one person in Trump's party who's shaming him in the press?

Are you aware that after the 2015 San Bernardino terrorist attack, which killed 14 people, Obama didn't speak publicly about it for 3 days? When he did speak out, he made a point of saying that the attackers weren't connected to mainstream Islam. We're you outraged when that happened?

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You seem to be claiming things that are untrue. The attack was on the 2nd December and on the 3rd of December he already spoke publicly.

As one can see here:



He also on the 3rd of December Obama signed a proclamation which:

calls for flags to remain at half-staff through Monday and affects flags at the White House, public buildings, military installations, U.S. Navy ships, embassies and diplomatic missions.

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So you are very wrong with your 3 days comment, also that was a bit different from what happened this weekend, but nice try and trying to excuse the ass wipe behavior of the Orange Hairball from Trump Tower

The terrorists involved in the Charlie Hebdo shooting were French.

Born in France, raised in France.

They claimed allegiance to Al Quaeda, NOT IS.

The third shooter (Hypercacher Supermarket) was the only one claiming allegiance to IS. He was French as well and none of the three "snuck" into France on forged papers.

Of such stuff are posts from this OP made.:roll:

Peter King said:

You seem to be claiming things that are untrue. The attack was on the 2nd December and on the 3rd of December he already spoke publicly.

As one can see here:



He also on the 3rd of December Obama signed a proclamation which:



So you are very wrong with your 3 days comment, also that was a bit different from what happened this weekend, but nice try and trying to excuse the ass wipe behavior of the Orange Hairball from Trump Tower

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You're right, thank you. When I searched online, the speech from December 5 was all that I could find. Since the San Bernardino shooting occurred on a Tuesday, it would have been odd for Obama not to comment the following day.
In contrast, the Charlottesville attack was on a Saturday, and Trump tweeted his condolences immediately.

truthatallcost said:

You're right, thank you. When I searched online, the speech from December 5 was all that I could find. Since the San Bernardino shooting occurred on a Tuesday, it would have been odd for Obama not to comment the following day.
In contrast, the Charlottesville attack was on a Saturday, and Trump tweeted his condolences immediately.

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The attack in San Bernardino attack was a terrorist attack with many deaths committed by a small number of terrorists, facts and evidence was few and far between. It ended at 3.14pm PST (which is about 6.14pm in Washington DC). And this was my first search (provisional) and in fact he already spoke about this attack on the day of the attack:

http://abc7.com/news/president-obama-responds-to-san-bernardino-shootings/1107280/

which is dated the 2nd of December 2015.

And on CNN we can read:

Speaking to CBS News moments after news broke of the shooting, Obama called for "common sense gun safety laws" and urged lawmakers to pass a law to prevent individuals on the "No Fly List" who are barred from boarding commercial flights from legally purchasing firearms.

"We don't yet know what the motives of the shooters are but what we do know is that there are steps we can take to make Americans safer," Obama said in the interview. "We should never think that this is just something that just happens in the ordinary course of events because it doesn't happen with the same frequency in other countries."

Obama calls for gun reforms in wake of San Bernardino shooting - CNNPolitics

and the date on this article is also the 2nd of December. So he spoke on the 2nd just after it happened, he spoke about it again on the 3rd when he decreed the lowering of the flags to half mast and the also made a speech about it on the 5th.
Obama said the pattern of U.S. mass shootings "has no parallel anywhere else in the world."

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truthatallcost said:

Moghada was arrested after applying for asylum in Germany. I'm not sure how long he's been living in and off of Germany, but judging from recent pics, he looked happy and well fed. I wonder how many other migrants in Europe hold a similar past...or future for that matter?

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Hey, according to Neo Confederates, White Supremacists and Neo Nazis, murdering American soldiers is a-okay and should be celebrated.

truthatallcost said:

Moghada was arrested after applying for asylum in Germany. I'm not sure how long he's been living in and off of Germany, but judging from recent pics, he looked happy and well fed. I wonder how many other migrants in Europe hold a similar past...or future for that matter?

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