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BNP was Right

zyzygy said:
I don't see all the Muslims in the world in that pic. Why do you hate Muslims?
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That's from 2006. They've learned since then that toning down their rhetoric advances their agenda better than saying what's on their minds. The pen is mightier than the sword, and shrewd usage of the former will later enable usage of the latter.
 
truthatallcost said:
Of course, the Russians were invaded by Germany's top units, but that has nothing to do with the Battle of Berlin.



The discussion was centered around the Battle of Berlin. I'm aware that child soldiers fought elsewhere as well.


NAZI child soldiers - rounded up from their fifth and sixth form classes to march off to face the Red Army marching towards Berlin in the closing weeks of the Second World War - are remembered in a gripping new book published this week in Germany.

Many of the survivors from the legions forced to confront Soviet armies of more than five million men are traumatised to this day by their experiences.

The 12th SS Panzer Division of the Hitlerjugend, was established later in World War II as Germany suffered more casualties, and more young people volunteered, initially as reserves, but soon joined front line troops. These children saw extensive action and were among the fiercest and most effective German defenders in the Battle of Berlin.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_use_of_children_in_World_War_II



You don't even understand what the argument was in the first place!
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the 12th SS we're hardly children when recruited in 1943 the average age of the 12TH was 17 and by the time of the Normandy landings they were 18 years old the NCOs and officers were made up from veteran soldiers of the 1st SS panzer Division Liebstandarte "Adolf Hitler"

the Sovietys loses taken in Berlin were remarkably light ... the advantage is with the defender ... the Germans lost over 300,000 men trying to take Stalingrad and failed ... that failure cost them the war
 
This story will mess you up! Louise has been on the streets of London for over two years. She has given birth to two babies while sleeping rough. Complications with her last birth left her crippled and now bound to a wheelchair. As if that's not enough, she goes on to say she's had her head kicked in several times from street violence. Louise is only nineteen-years-old.
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It's mainly because of the Tory government's benefit cuts on the disabled. Working-class folks in Britain are suffering under Theresa May who is unapologetic about making further cuts to disability benefits. When Tony Blair was the Prime Minister, every Briton could live off of government benefits, including those considered workshy.

Theresa May has refused to rule out making further cuts to disability benefits in the next Parliament if the Conservatives are returned to government.

Asked by The Independent at a campaign event in Mansfield whether she would rule out any further cuts to support, the Prime Minister avoided giving a direct answer.

“If you look at what we’ve been doing on disability benefits, what we have done is look at focusing disability benefit payments on those who are most in need. In fact we are spending more on disability benefit payments than has been done by any government in the past,” she replied.
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spud_meister said:
Hitler had given up on his plans to invade Britain over a year before the US entered the war.
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For various reasons. Some have suggested that Churchill over emphasized the invasion threat to bolster the British into service, militant outlook, etc.


Britain declared war because Germany attacked an allied nation.
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True enough.

The US entered the war because it was directly attacked.
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The US was helping GB, France and China before it was attacked. I think our contribution in much needed food, supplies and weaponry topped $30 billion, the equivalent of 10 times that amount today. Our contribution in the Atlantic war, plus aid kept GB afloat.

It's not the judgement of the British that let the Holocaust continue for as along as it did.
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My initial objection was in painting the Russians out to be the heroic victors, as Mal tried to do. They were partners with the Germans during the invasion of Poland and conducted their own massacres there.

Russia was more in tuned to the death camps than we were, and willing to ally themselves with Nazi Germany. If anything, people should be scratching their heads at that.
 
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truthatallcost said:
As sorry as I am to admit it, BNP was right. Watch the video please if you plan on commenting.






Hundreds of thousands of foreigners to England receive benefits every year, yet a nice native girl like this is forced to beg on the streets of London. What crime did she commit? Is she not exotic enough for you bleeding hearts to care about?

BNP WAS RIGHT, AND YOU CHASED THEM AWAY.

Great Britain's Empire is now it's funeral pyre.
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The BNP is never right, they are just racist morons.
 
truthatallcost said:
And you think Russia was the first to reach Berlin why exactly?

They didn't exactly do a great job at that even, as Germany's fighting forces were reduced to 14 year old kids with rifles, and old men who'd been too old to fight initially. Yet the Soviets sustained higher casualties:

German Casulties- 81,116
Soviet Casualties- 92,000-100,000

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Berlin

Eisenhower’s Order to Halt at the Elbe
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You do know how invading a large city is fraught with dangers for the invading forces? And that usually the people trying to get into a town/almost fortress, where a sniper or a booby trap can be found in every door and room usually suffer the worst losses? And it is not like with the towns the US/UK/Canadians were trying to free, which were not the capital of the 3rd Reich, the home of the Fuhrer which had to be defended to the last bullet?

That usually is going to cost a lot of deaths on the invading force.
 
truthatallcost said:
True in a way, but at least we had the good sense to severe ties with the Crown. And remember how that went; the USA fought the greatest military power of the day, and defeated it.



Your proof of this is what? Nick Griffin wore a 'white power' t shirt before I was alive? Lol. Who cares? You wouldn't care if a modern politician was photographed wearing a black power t shirt in his youth.

A common story I've heard from the poor in England is that they get no help, unless they're non-English. That's why I think the BNP may have been correct, plus a myriad of other details of the modern UK like children being blown up at Manc Arena, scores of Asian Sex Gangs preying on under privileged white children while financially comfortable white Brits shrug their shoulders in indifference.
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And that is bull crap.

In 2013, the department of works and pensions released the number of benefit claims of working age claimants, of the 5,309,580 claimants, 4,914,160 were UK citizens, 264,430 were Non EU claimants and 130,990 were EU claimants.

Of the people getting tax credits, 3,989,100 were UK citizens and 715,900 were non UK citizens.

And it is said that the chance of an immigrant living in social housing is less than those of UK citizens (in other words, immigrants are less likely to get social housing benefits)
 
Peter King said:
And that is bull crap.

In 2013, the department of works and pensions released the number of benefit claims of working age claimants, of the 5,309,580 claimants, 4,914,160 were UK citizens, 264,430 were Non EU claimants and 130,990 were EU claimants.

Of the people getting tax credits, 3,989,100 were UK citizens and 715,900 were non UK citizens.

And it is said that the chance of an immigrant living in social housing is less than those of UK citizens (in other words, immigrants are less likely to get social housing benefits)
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The reality of the situation is of no interest to him.
 
truthatallcost said:
As sorry as I am to admit it, BNP was right. Watch the video please if you plan on commenting.






Hundreds of thousands of foreigners to England receive benefits every year, yet a nice native girl like this is forced to beg on the streets of London. What crime did she commit? Is she not exotic enough for you bleeding hearts to care about? .
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Actually foreigners claim JSA in smaller amounts then locals. (asylum seekers get money while their claim is being processed but that's because they are not allowed to work until it is) not to mention that a foreigner living and working here is a net contributor to the public purse (given that they haven't received an education and paediatric care as a local would) which means more money to help those like the woman in the video.
 
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Peter King said:
You do know how invading a large city is fraught with dangers for the invading forces? And that usually the people trying to get into a town/almost fortress, where a sniper or a booby trap can be found in every door and room usually suffer the worst losses? And it is not like with the towns the US/UK/Canadians were trying to free, which were not the capital of the 3rd Reich, the home of the Fuhrer which had to be defended to the last bullet?

That usually is going to cost a lot of deaths on the invading force.
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Stalingrad comes to mind.
 
zyzygy said:
Stalingrad comes to mind.
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And Leningrad and any other situation where armed forces are dug into a city or town. Germany defended a lot of French towns with such vigor that it took Herculean efforts from the Western Allies to take those towns and their defenders down.
 
Peter King said:
And Leningrad and any other situation where armed forces are dug into a city or town. Germany defended a lot of French towns with such vigor that it took Herculean efforts from the Western Allies to take those towns and their defenders down.
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While not at the same scale.. Caen. Had the Germans not defended Caen with the numbers, the US forces would not have broken out of Normandy. It is irony that the American troops are in history praised for breaking out of Normandy but the British Canadian troops fighting in Caen are almost never mentioned and frankly they did most of the work...
 
PeteEU said:
While not at the same scale.. Caen. Had the Germans not defended Caen with the numbers, the US forces would not have broken out of Normandy. It is irony that the American troops are in history praised for breaking out of Normandy but the British Canadian troops fighting in Caen are almost never mentioned and frankly they did most of the work...
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Sometimes in discussions I get (not only here) we liberated you (speaking to me in the Netherlands) which is true and not true. It is not true because they did not free "me" but they my mother they did free and by a lucky coincidence they did liberate my mother (the US troops) and her parents/brother/rest of the lot, but for the majority of the Netherlands it was the Canadians and English who liberated the rest of the Netherlands where the US has the monumental task (with support from other countries) to march into Germany itself. We live close to Germany so on the way to Germany from Belgium/north of France the US troops moved through our region of Limburg and liberated us. Something that can be remembered at the US cemetery in Margraten.

But this week we commemorated the end of the war in the East. Where the Japanese also dug in and made invasions almost impossible to succeed quickly.

But back to the BNP, the BNP is always wrong. Racists are never right, sometimes they are "slightly less wrong" but they are never right.
 
An uncle of mine helped to liberate Bergen-Op-Zoom. He was Scottish so it wasn't just the English.
 
zyzygy said:
An uncle of mine helped to liberate Bergen-Op-Zoom. He was Scottish so it wasn't just the English.
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Gaw dont go down that road... British-Canadian-Commenwealth-French-Polish and others troops okay?
 
zyzygy said:
An uncle of mine helped to liberate Bergen-Op-Zoom. He was Scottish so it wasn't just the English.
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Sorry, i meant British/UK/commonwealth and other troops.
 
zyzygy said:
You wouldn't be there if we hadn't started your country. Back to the topic. Why do you admire a British Nazi party? Haven't you got a Nazi party of your own?
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lmao...you win the Internet today, friend. hahaha
 
Godric1970 said:
remind me if i am wrong but didn't the BNP get over a million votes for EU elections in England in 2009 ?? they got 2 MEPs including Nick Griffin ... whereas in Scotland they got less than 5,000 votes ... glad to clear it up for you ...

and UKIP are just a better funded BNP with better fitting suits
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That was in 2009.
 
Godric1970 said:
you still claimed you don't like Nazis ... that is not entirely true ... and then their was the support for the UKIP a well funded BNP
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I entirely don't like Nazis.
 
truthatallcost said:
I know that the Nazi Party would own your homeland today if it wasn't for my American ancestors bailing you out. How many bombs fell on London? It was your leaders that thought they had peace with the ferocious beast that was Hitler, because he signed a little piece of paper that said 'I promise to be good'! Your judgment is suspect.
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America joined both world wars two years after they'd started. Prior to them joining there was actually a lot of pro German sentiment in America.

Oh and, for the record, it was the Soviet Union who liberated Berlin, precipitating the suicide of Hitler.

Your understanding of history is suspect.
 
Baltim said:
America joined both world wars two years after they'd started. Prior to them joining there was actually a lot of pro German sentiment in America.
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11,000 ethnic Germans were rounded up and placed in internment camps. 4,000 were transported from South America to the USA, and then deported to Germany. Most Americans at the time just wanted to avoid another war in Europe, after the mass loss of life that resulted in WW1.

Oh and, for the record, it was the Soviet Union who liberated Berlin, precipitating the suicide of Hitler.
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Liberated and then occupied half of it for 40 years. Russia also 'liberated' Eastern Poland, when they were allies with Nazi Germany.

Your understanding of history is suspect.
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Are you a fan of the USSR? Tell me what was so great about it.
 
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