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Brexit reality starting to hit home....

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As a British EU negotiator, I can tell you that Brexit is going to be far worse than anyone could have guessed | The Independent

[FONT=&quot]Who knew a fortnight ago that leaving the apparently obscure Euratom Treaty would jeopardise not only the UK nuclear industry, but also the [/FONT]supply of medical isotopes[FONT=&quot] for cancer treatment?[/FONT]

Err pretty much everyone outside the UK it seems...

[FONT=&quot]Was everyone already aware that UK airlines like easyJet would need to set up in the EU27 and Ryanair might [/FONT]move its planes to EU27[FONT=&quot] countries due to the UK leaving the Open Skies Agreement?[/FONT]

Yep, well those outside the UK and of course the experts in the UK, who were ignored by the masses.

[FONT=&quot]For example, while we are becoming aware of the impact of leaving the Open Skies Agreement on the aviation market, few have spotted Brexit’s impact on aviation safety.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The UK does not have its own capacity to do things like certify maintenance facilities if it leaves the European Aviation Safety Agency. Yes, you heard that right. The UK won’t be able to certify the people that fix the planes. As with so many of these issues, the UK will either have to negotiate to remain in the agency (which is within the dreaded European Court of Justice’s jurisdiction), or establish its own capacity to replace what it does from a standing start in only 20 months.

Tick tock... any bets on that the UK does not have enough time to do that?

Total chaos in the UK government on Brexit, and in the mean time Liam Fox is starting to lay the ground for a UK - US trade deal, which is described as TTIP on steroids... but at least the UK wont be accepting chlorine chickens from the US..

If you thought chlorine-washed chicken was scary, wait until you see what else Liam Fox has planned for a UK-US trade deal | The Independent


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As a British EU negotiator, I can tell you that Brexit is going to be far worse than anyone could have guessed | The Independent



Err pretty much everyone outside the UK it seems...



Yep, well those outside the UK and of course the experts in the UK, who were ignored by the masses.


Tick tock... any bets on that the UK does not have enough time to do that?

Total chaos in the UK government on Brexit, and in the mean time Liam Fox is starting to lay the ground for a UK - US trade deal, which is described as TTIP on steroids... but at least the UK wont be accepting chlorine chickens from the US..
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If you thought chlorine-washed chicken was scary, wait until you see what else Liam Fox has planned for a UK-US trade deal | The Independent


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We're used to right wing omniscients in the states. We elected one president. They're always surprised to find out that there really are things they don't know. Who knew health care was complicated?
 
The UK survived before the EU, they can and will survive without it via Brexit. :shrug:
 
The UK survived before the EU, they can and will survive without it via Brexit. :shrug:

But they essentially have less than two years to figure out how literally the entire country is going to function both domestically and internationally without EU institutions, things they have not had to do for decades. They essentially have to create a new bureaucracy for a lot of very important things from scratch.
 
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But they essentially have less than two years to figure out literally the entire country is going to function both domestically and internationally without EU institutions, things they have not had to do for decades. They essentially have to create anew bureaucracy for very important things from scratch.

They've had several hundred years of experience with independent governance, so I am fairly sure they won't starting from scratch. :coffeepap:
 
They've had several hundred years of experience with independent governance, so I am fairly sure they won't starting from scratch. :coffeepap:

Largely irreverent experience, most of these institutions have been in place for decades, they are rather out of date. They can't go and hire and train potentially thousands of public servants just in case.
 
As a British EU negotiator, I can tell you that Brexit is going to be far worse than anyone could have guessed | The Independent



Err pretty much everyone outside the UK it seems...



Yep, well those outside the UK and of course the experts in the UK, who were ignored by the masses.


Tick tock... any bets on that the UK does not have enough time to do that?

Total chaos in the UK government on Brexit, and in the mean time Liam Fox is starting to lay the ground for a UK - US trade deal, which is described as TTIP on steroids... but at least the UK wont be accepting chlorine chickens from the US..
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If you thought chlorine-washed chicken was scary, wait until you see what else Liam Fox has planned for a UK-US trade deal | The Independent


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I am still figuring that BREXIT gets called off.

70% confidence and going up.
 
But they essentially have less than two years to figure out how literally the entire country is going to function both domestically and internationally without EU institutions, things they have not had to do for decades. They essentially have to create a new bureaucracy for a lot of very important things from scratch.

You're worried that the UK can't create bureaucracies! Lol, you shouldn't fret about that one, they are the Olympic medalists of bureaucracy creation.
 
You're worried that the UK can't create bureaucracies! Lol, you shouldn't fret about that one, they are the Olympic medalists of bureaucracy creation.

I am sure they can create the bureaucracies but can they do it in the 2 or so year time frame. It does not seem they are working to much on the issue
 
I am still figuring that BREXIT gets called off.

70% confidence and going up.

I have a feeling they will be stuck with a Norway type of situation. Most of the requirements of being in the EU, but no say about how it is run
 
They've had several hundred years of experience with independent governance, so I am fairly sure they won't starting from scratch. :coffeepap:

So the people now are hundreds of years old with all that experience?

They are starting from scratch on many issues. For one... trade. The EU has hundreds of trade agreements, which the UK will now not be part off. So they have to negotiate agreements across the planet. Problem is they dont have the manpower, let alone the experienced manpower to do that.. and they dont have time. They had a hard enough time finding people to represent them at the current EU negotiations, with many Brits with experience in international negotiations choosing either not or actually work for the EU in said negotiations.

Then there are all the agreements that the EU has made as being part of the EU.. such as the nuclear agreements, airline safety, environmental issues and so on and so on. Because the UK refuses anything to do with the European court system, then the UK has to leave them all.. putting them at a massive disadvantage because in most cases they literally have to recreate the wheel again.

Time is running down fast and we have yet to hear any real proposals coming out of the UK government..on anything.
 
I have a feeling they will be stuck with a Norway type of situation. Most of the requirements of being in the EU, but no say about how it is run

You will be lucky to get that to be honest. As long as the UK refuses to have the European court system deal with inter govermental issues, then you aint getting even a Norway type system... maybe a Turkey like system, but you dont even want to be within the customs union.
 
As a British EU negotiator, I can tell you that Brexit is going to be far worse than anyone could have guessed | The Independent



Err pretty much everyone outside the UK it seems...



Yep, well those outside the UK and of course the experts in the UK, who were ignored by the masses.


Tick tock... any bets on that the UK does not have enough time to do that?

Total chaos in the UK government on Brexit, and in the mean time Liam Fox is starting to lay the ground for a UK - US trade deal, which is described as TTIP on steroids... but at least the UK wont be accepting chlorine chickens from the US..
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If you thought chlorine-washed chicken was scary, wait until you see what else Liam Fox has planned for a UK-US trade deal | The Independent


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Hahahahahaha, stupid Leavers. Thinking they knew better than the experts. :laughat:
 
False argument, the OP did not argue the UK "would not survive".

Protip: Drop the straw-man arguments.

Actually his entire OP is about the trials and tribulations if the UK goes through with Brexit.

The basic argument is how will the UK survive without all the wonderful goodness provided by the EU if does Brexit...pretty standard position of the anti-Brexit party.

It is your point that is a red herring. :coffeepap:
 
Actually his entire OP is about the trials and tribulations if the UK goes through with Brexit.

Wrong... there is no if. Brexit is going to happen and these type of posts show how bad it can be.
 
So the people now are hundreds of years old with all that experience?

They are starting from scratch on many issues. For one... trade. The EU has hundreds of trade agreements, which the UK will now not be part off. So they have to negotiate agreements across the planet. Problem is they dont have the manpower, let alone the experienced manpower to do that.. and they dont have time. They had a hard enough time finding people to represent them at the current EU negotiations, with many Brits with experience in international negotiations choosing either not or actually work for the EU in said negotiations.

Then there are all the agreements that the EU has made as being part of the EU.. such as the nuclear agreements, airline safety, environmental issues and so on and so on. Because the UK refuses anything to do with the European court system, then the UK has to leave them all.. putting them at a massive disadvantage because in most cases they literally have to recreate the wheel again.

Time is running down fast and we have yet to hear any real proposals coming out of the UK government..on anything.

Hmmm...not quite. They'll definitely have trade opportunities with the U.S.A., as well as all their old Dominion governments...Australia is just waiting for the openings.

That's not to mention the several hundred other nations around the world that are not E.U. members.

Wrong... there is no if. Brexit is going to happen and these type of posts show how bad it can be.

LOL...and you made my case for me. Thanks :lamo
 
Hmmm...not quite. They'll definitely have trade opportunities with the U.S.A., as well as all their old Dominion governments...Australia is just waiting for the openings.

That's not to mention the several hundred other nations around the world that are not E.U. members.

Yes yes.. but there are problems.

1) Australia has stated that any trade deal will require the free movement of peoples.. something the UK is against.
2) India has stated that any trade deal will require the free movement of peoples.. something the UK is against.
3) The US will demand the free movement of people and that the UK allow US goods like radiated chicken and drug infested beef and pork into the Uk... something the UK wont want.

And all of them have stated that, there will be no deal as long as the UK relationship to the EU is not clear.
 
Yes yes.. but there are problems.

1) Australia has stated that any trade deal will require the free movement of peoples.. something the UK is against.
2) India has stated that any trade deal will require the free movement of peoples.. something the UK is against.
3) The US will demand the free movement of people and that the UK allow US goods like radiated chicken and drug infested beef and pork into the Uk... something the UK wont want.

And all of them have stated that, there will be no deal as long as the UK relationship to the EU is not clear.

WTF is this "free movements of peoples" stuff?

Prior to the EU I could freely travel to the UK as long as I had a valid passport with all my shots, and vice versa. In fact I can still go just about anywhere in the world under the same conditions (except the one or two proscribed nations like North Korea).

The same holds true for anyone else, unless there is a specific ban, like the one President Trump initiated for six Middle Eastern nations.

Now if you mean travel without passports? Only citizens of the nation (like the right to travel freely within the 50 U.S. States) are entitled to that privilege. If you mean open borders and free migration? I don't know why you think either the USA or most other nations would insist on this internationally.
 
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Yes yes.. but there are problems.

1) Australia has stated that any trade deal will require the free movement of peoples.. something the UK is against.
2) India has stated that any trade deal will require the free movement of peoples.. something the UK is against.
3) The US will demand the free movement of people and that the UK allow US goods like radiated chicken and drug infested beef and pork into the Uk... something the UK wont want.

And all of them have stated that, there will be no deal as long as the UK relationship to the EU is not clear.

You are overblowing the "radiated/Drug infested" food thing... just don't buy it if you don't want it... it doesn't force people to buy anything... You authoritarian types don't understand the concept of just because you think it's not a good idea, doesn't mean you should force EVERYONE to not do or have it. The chlorinated chicken doesn't harm the food, it's proven not to...
 
Time is running down fast and we have yet to hear any real proposals coming out of the UK government..on anything.

And now they've all gone on a 2-month vacation; no more negotiations until September. What a shower!
 
And yet talks have already begun with the US on striking a trade agreement while Europes TTIP deal with Washington is still no where after years of talks. Inflation is actually going down and last year foreign investors poured more money into the U.K. Than they did any other European nation ( even after Brexit) and the city is still hiring at a high rate....
 
Oh and did you catch the Walters city job index last month?
 
Most of the city has removal plans in place, either to Ireland or direct to Frankfurt. "Letterbox" businesses not permitted.
 
Most of the city has removal plans in place, either to Ireland or direct to Frankfurt. "Letterbox" businesses not permitted.

No evidence of that yet, the scare mongering around Brexit is outrageous. Let's at least let it play out first before we start ordering coffins. Plus as I pointed out foreign investors haven't been deterred even with it hanging over us
 
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