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Turkey scraps the evolution theory from it school books

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Another reason why the Turks have no place in the EU, now the religious dictatorship under Erdogan further dismantles the secular history of Turkey by scrapping the teaching of the evolution theory from school books under University grades.

The religious idiotic overlords in Turkey are of the opinion that the poor ickle brain limited religious little minds cannot handle the evolution theory.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-education-curriculum-idUSKBN1A31EZ

They also want to force schools to have a prayer room in their schools.

Well we do not need countries like that in the EU.
 
Peter King said:
Another reason why the Turks have no place in the EU, now the religious dictatorship under Erdogan further dismantles the secular history of Turkey by scrapping the teaching of the evolution theory from school books under University grades.

The religious idiotic overlords in Turkey are of the opinion that the poor ickle brain limited religious little minds cannot handle the evolution theory.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-education-curriculum-idUSKBN1A31EZ

They also want to force schools to have a prayer room in their schools.

Well we do not need countries like that in the EU.
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Turkey was never going to be approved for EU membership.
 
JANFU said:
Turkey was never going to be approved for EU membership.
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If they had not gone down the Erdogan way, I would have not seen an issue with having them join and if the threat of military interventions was stopped. But as of now, this Turkey does not have the moral views that make it a fit with the EU IMHO.
 
Peter King said:
If they had not gone down the Erdogan way, I would have not seen an issue with having them join and if the threat of military interventions was stopped. But as of now, this Turkey does not have the moral views that make it a fit with the EU IMHO.
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The never had them prior to Erdogan.
 
Peter King said:
Another reason why the Turks have no place in the EU, now the religious dictatorship under Erdogan further dismantles the secular history of Turkey by scrapping the teaching of the evolution theory from school books under University grades.

The religious idiotic overlords in Turkey are of the opinion that the poor ickle brain limited religious little minds cannot handle the evolution theory.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-education-curriculum-idUSKBN1A31EZ

They also want to force schools to have a prayer room in their schools.

Well we do not need countries like that in the EU.
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Well, the EU was a major party in creating the monster. And it is not as though the members didn't know or at least should have. They were warned before they brought up the idea of a "priviligierte Partnerschaft" that was introduced by Merkel/Schäble anyway. As the negative impact of rejecting Turkey was well enough understood, one could assume that it was intended.
 
JANFU said:
Turkey was never going to be approved for EU membership.
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Actually, I am pretty sure that the invitation to enter was intended to achieve membership, but the EU is never quite, what it appears.
 
Peter King said:
Another reason why the Turks have no place in the EU, now the religious dictatorship under Erdogan further dismantles the secular history of Turkey by scrapping the teaching of the evolution theory from school books under University grades.

The religious idiotic overlords in Turkey are of the opinion that the poor ickle brain limited religious little minds cannot handle the evolution theory.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-education-curriculum-idUSKBN1A31EZ

They also want to force schools to have a prayer room in their schools.

Well we do not need countries like that in the EU.
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Maybe they could join Texas. :)
 
joG said:
Actually, I am pretty sure that the invitation to enter was intended to achieve membership, but the EU is never quite, what it appears.
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My opinion, France and Germany were against.
 
JANFU said:
The never had them prior to Erdogan.
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JANFU said:
My opinion, France and Germany were against.
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Not just those two and neither having written "No!" in stone.

Nevertheless I agree with your first above that Turkey never met the criteria even before this current deterioration. Justice system, human rights and economics having always been the primary obstacles.

And where improvements in those fields could indeed be seen as being made in the by now distant past, that process was always something of one step forward and the next one backwards.

Now it's all backwards with every step.

The supposed creation of Erdogan by the EU being of course a load of tripe, he went megalomaniac all on his own once he realized how playing both the nationalist and the religious card was his best bet of not only keeping but also extending power.

One need remember that he was actually not at all bad for Turkey's progress initially.

Initially.
 
JANFU said:
My opinion, France and Germany were against.
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That turned out later. When the process begann this was not the case, which is why it could have started. No major EU decision could have gone through at that time without full support of both Germany and France.
 
Peter King said:
Another reason why the Turks have no place in the EU, now the religious dictatorship under Erdogan further dismantles the secular history of Turkey by scrapping the teaching of the evolution theory from school books under University grades.

The religious idiotic overlords in Turkey are of the opinion that the poor ickle brain limited religious little minds cannot handle the evolution theory.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-education-curriculum-idUSKBN1A31EZ

They also want to force schools to have a prayer room in their schools.

Well we do not need countries like that in the EU.
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Idiotic zealots
 
Peter King said:
Another reason why the Turks have no place in the EU, now the religious dictatorship under Erdogan further dismantles the secular history of Turkey by scrapping the teaching of the evolution theory from school books under University grades.

The religious idiotic overlords in Turkey are of the opinion that the poor ickle brain limited religious little minds cannot handle the evolution theory.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-education-curriculum-idUSKBN1A31EZ

They also want to force schools to have a prayer room in their schools.

Well we do not need countries like that in the EU.
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Turkey has taken a turn for the worse.
 
Chagos said:
Not just those two and neither having written "No!" in stone.

Nevertheless I agree with your first above that Turkey never met the criteria even before this current deterioration. Justice system, human rights and economics having always been the primary obstacles.

And where improvements in those fields could indeed be seen as being made in the by now distant past, that process was always something of one step forward and the next one backwards.

Now it's all backwards with every step.

The supposed creation of Erdogan by the EU being of course a load of tripe, he went megalomaniac all on his own once he realized how playing both the nationalist and the religious card was his best bet of not only keeping but also extending power.

One need remember that he was actually not at all bad for Turkey's progress initially.

Initially.
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If Germany and France were against membership, why and how could the votes have been cast required to beginn negotiations for full membership? Against Germany's and France's votes there was a majority? You are joking.
 
TheGoverness said:
Turkey has taken a turn for the worse.
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The way they were treated after having gone through an enormous effort to change their legal code by the EU ie its major members France and Germany was highly destructive of Western oriented politicians inTurkish domestic politics. They were robbed of their credibility and the religious forces gained power and in the absence of legitimate or meaningful opposition Turkey has gone in the direction that Condoleezza Rice had warned of, should the EU mess up the relationship in the membership process, which they proceeded to do.

This is really quite interesting albeit not complete: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union
 
joG said:
The way they were treated after having gone through an enormous effort to change their legal code by the EU ie its major members France and Germany was highly destructive of Western oriented politicians inTurkish domestic politics. They were robbed of their credibility and the religious forces gained power and in the absence of legitimate or meaningful opposition Turkey has gone in the direction that Condoleezza Rice had warned of, should the EU mess up the relationship in the membership process, which they proceeded to do.

This is really quite interesting albeit not complete: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union
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Man your hatred of the EU knows no bounds eh? You blame them for everything...

It is the EUs fault that Turkey is turning into a fundamentalist dictatorship..:roll:
 
Of all the reason's Turkey shouldn't be in the EU, this is the least of them. Of course, the way the EU is today, no country should be a participant, but that's another thread for another day.
 
PeteEU said:
Man your hatred of the EU knows no bounds eh? You blame them for everything...

It is the EUs fault that Turkey is turning into a fundamentalist dictatorship..:roll:
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The usual behaviour of believing to be possessed of some superior knowledge and, here, coupled even with the inability to read other people's posts.

Or what is it that's so unclear in the comment (on France and Germany having been the main opponents) of

Not just those two and neither having written "No!" in stone.

And not just posts by others, (just raised here to avoid direct discussion with the ineligible) seeing how the wiki feature linked to does not in any way support the ridiculous claims uttered.

Amazing how one can live in a continent that's not home and either know so little about it as constantly demonstrated or refuse to know anything about it that would threaten the own bubble of confirmation bias.

And to top it all, Condie Rice, the white house viper, being advocated as someone that should ever have been listened to by anyone.:roll:
 
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JANFU said:
Turkey was never going to be approved for EU membership.
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I agree, they were never considered to be part of Europe since before and I doubt there was ever any serious consideration for them to join by TPTB.
 
ChezC3 said:
Of all the reason's Turkey shouldn't be in the EU, this is the least of them. Of course, the way the EU is today, no country should be a participant, but that's another thread for another day.
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I believe most European countries should be a member of the EU, there is strength in numbers.
 
PeteEU said:
Man your hatred of the EU knows no bounds eh? You blame them for everything...

It is the EUs fault that Turkey is turning into a fundamentalist dictatorship..:roll:
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No, not really, but I am sure it might appear that way to persons indoctrinated in EU or local paradigm. I don't know how it is, where you live, but if the media are as homogeonous and selective on certain subjects as they are in the continental countries I do know, you have my sympathy. It is a hard up hill battle to even find some information on it. But even on German public radio you now sometimes hear German politicians admitting the exact fact that I mentioned above and you find so surprising. Of course, some MdBs had realized it earlier, I talked with a small number of them at the time. But there was nothing they could do, they said. It was a Marschbefehl and the opposing voices were few, soto voce and died quickly. The exclusion of Turkey was very popular in a populist way, you see. And so we started down the path on which we now find ourselves.
 
Peter King said:
If they had not gone down the Erdogan way, I would have not seen an issue with having them join and if the threat of military interventions was stopped. But as of now,
this Turkey does not have the moral views that make it a fit with the EU IMHO.
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Until Turkey admits the Armenian massacre and pays massive reparations it shouldn't be part of the EU.
 
shrubnose said:
Until Turkey admits the Armenian massacre and pays massive reparations it shouldn't be part of the EU.
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Same goes for every country who ever committed massacres yea?
 
joG said:
No, not really, but I am sure it might appear that way to persons indoctrinated in EU or local paradigm. I don't know how it is, where you live, but if the media are as homogeonous and selective on certain subjects as they are in the continental countries I do know, you have my sympathy. It is a hard up hill battle to even find some information on it. But even on German public radio you now sometimes hear German politicians admitting the exact fact that I mentioned above and you find so surprising. Of course, some MdBs had realized it earlier, I talked with a small number of them at the time. But there was nothing they could do, they said. It was a Marschbefehl and the opposing voices were few, soto voce and died quickly. The exclusion of Turkey was very popular in a populist way, you see. And so we started down the path on which we now find ourselves.
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So, the EU set parameters and criteria for Turkey to meet. Turkey fail for a multitude of reasons but you suggest this is the fault of the EU?:doh
 
shrubnose said:
Until Turkey admits the Armenian massacre and pays massive reparations it shouldn't be part of the EU.
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That too, it was a genocide and that is that. No excuses no BS'ing, admit it and pay reparations. But as long as it does not respect democratic and judicial values, it has not place in the EU.

Just like Poland is risking punishment (quite rightly) for trying to interfere in the independent judicial processes of that country. Shame on Poland IMHO.
 
gunner said:
So, the EU set parameters and criteria for Turkey to meet. Turkey fail for a multitude of reasons but you suggest this is the fault of the EU?:doh
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Actually, when you have time to look back at the chronology, you will find that the Turks were doing quite well and had made very substantial progress in achieving the adjustments required. If I recall, they were actually doing better on a number of issues than Romania and other Balkan countries, but my memory on that point is not firm and I would have to check the numbers, which is too much work for the moment.
In any event, they were well within the expected parameters at the time that the EU (mainly Austria, Germany and France) started telling them publicly but informally, that they would not be allowed to join. While the negotiations kept on, this was only in order not to own the exclusion of Turkey and get them to break them off.
 
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