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"Broadcasters need to be more patriotic" - Leadsom on Newsnight.

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"It would be helpful if broadcasters were willing to be a bit patriotic," she told BBC Newsnight. "The country took a decision, this Government is determined to deliver on that decision."

VERY dangerous ground here. I've never liked this woman and I found her grinning simpering delivery of points during the EU referendum especially irritating. However, that pales into insignificance when she wants the press to "be more patriotic" (i.e.) don't question anything to do with the negotiations and put out a positive spin on the UK position as led by Brexiteers.

Funny, nobody in a similar position of power made the same demand of leavers in the years before.

nota bene: Brexit is not party political, Leadsom's comments do not represent the whole of the Conservative party. There were Brexiteers in Labour too.
 
VERY dangerous ground here. I've never liked this woman and I found her grinning simpering delivery of points during the EU referendum especially irritating. However, that pales into insignificance when she wants the press to "be more patriotic" (i.e.) don't question anything to do with the negotiations and put out a positive spin on the UK position as led by Brexiteers.

Funny, nobody in a similar position of power made the same demand of leavers in the years before.

nota bene: Brexit is not party political, Leadsom's comments do not represent the whole of the Conservative party. There were Brexiteers in Labour too.

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

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Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

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Oh I think Leadsom was worse than that last night. We were verging on the "traitors to the UK" headlines from the Brexit minded Daily Fail when the independent judiciary did exactly what Brexiteers demanded sovereignty etc etc. Tim Farron's words "sinister" were mild compared to what I would call her.
 
Oh I think Leadsom was worse than that last night. We were verging on the "traitors to the UK" headlines from the Brexit minded Daily Fail when the independent judiciary did exactly what Brexiteers demanded sovereignty etc etc. Tim Farron's words "sinister" were mild compared to what I would call her.
I wonder, do you think that she has the mood of the country with that? I watched Katie Hopkins with her 'populist' message in interview with Jon Snow earlier in the week and it just sounded sad an clueless. I was embarrassed for her.
 
VERY dangerous ground here. I've never liked this woman and I found her grinning simpering delivery of points during the EU referendum especially irritating. However, that pales into insignificance when she wants the press to "be more patriotic" (i.e.) don't question anything to do with the negotiations and put out a positive spin on the UK position as led by Brexiteers.

Funny, nobody in a similar position of power made the same demand of leavers in the years before.

nota bene: Brexit is not party political, Leadsom's comments do not represent the whole of the Conservative party. There were Brexiteers in Labour too.

It is true that BBC is much less patriotic and supportive of national foreign policy and domestic sleaze giving it far less pro national spin than German media or RT, say. There have been exceptions to this, but as a rule of thumb ....
 
It is true that BBC is much less patriotic and supportive of national foreign policy and domestic sleaze giving it far less pro national spin than German media or RT, say. There have been exceptions to this, but as a rule of thumb ....


The BBC when it comes to UK foreign policy has been used to promote major decisions. I doubt German media when it comes to foreign policy is less of a lap dog to German interests which are minor and generally trade related

RT is of course very pro Russian, as to be able to operate it would have to be or see itself shut down, or have serious issues
 
Leadsom is more like Putin than I expect she would like to admit
 
The BBC when it comes to UK foreign policy has been used to promote major decisions. I doubt German media when it comes to foreign policy is less of a lap dog to German interests which are minor and generally trade related

Consider the source of this information first...

And you are partly wrong. German media actually tells the news in a mostly unbiased manor. There is simply too much competition, to have the same amount of "lapdogery" as there is in the UK. That is why the BBC is such a good thing, because the rest of the media is owned by 2 to 3 men who all are conservative and hate Europe.

In every country you have your TV news, which for the most part is unbiased regardless if it is private or public owned (Italy is the one exception that I can think off). In print you have your left wing and right wing media and everything in between. Problem with the UK is that in the print media, the right controls a huge proportion of the popular print media and because of the consolidation of print media over the decades, there is very little to counteract the out right lies these media often tell. Now on the TV side, there are rules and guidelines that give the British TV news a certain unbiased nature when it comes to left vs right wing politics... but only up to a point.

As you saw the last election, the right wing print media went all out to discredit Corbyn, and both ITV, BBC and Sky helped them in the beginning. Even when the Mail and Sun started their massive smear campaign at the end, no news outlet challenged or outed the truth to any real extent. And that has changed everything in my opinion. That the news media in the UK has turned more and more patriotic and dont ask the difficult questions about Brexit and consequences.. nor do their due diligence is a serious problem. The whole Brexit campaigning is another good example.

The fact that Sky News can run a story about Mays immigration proposal and not mention the EU stance, which has been out for months.. is mind boggling. That the reported happened to mention it briefly and then was cut off "because of time", just shows there is a problem in the British media.

RT is of course very pro Russian, as to be able to operate it would have to be or see itself shut down, or have serious issues

RT is a propaganda station. Cant not take it seriously. Sad part, they do sometimes expose the truth overseas, but that is tainted by their Fox News like loyalty to their dear leader. It is a bit like Al Jazzera in English. They dont mention problems in Qatar, but go after other middle eastern countries (which is why we have the Qatar blockade now), so trusting them on this issue is .. hmm. However their coverage of the rest of the world is usually very detailed and top notch and often cover things that you will never see in British or American media... usually because it involves abuses by British and American companies or/and government... but hey.

The fact that a Tory government minister, with links to Rupert Murdoch I believe, starts pushing the "Patriotic" card, is basically a continuing battle to get rid of Ofcom and the BBC, so that Rupert Murdoch can turn Sky News into Fox News in the UK for the Tory party.
 
Consider the source of this information first...

And you are partly wrong. German media actually tells the news in a mostly unbiased manor. There is simply too much competition, to have the same amount of "lapdogery" as there is in the UK. That is why the BBC is such a good thing, because the rest of the media is owned by 2 to 3 men who all are conservative and hate Europe.

In every country you have your TV news, which for the most part is unbiased regardless if it is private or public owned (Italy is the one exception that I can think off). In print you have your left wing and right wing media and everything in between. Problem with the UK is that in the print media, the right controls a huge proportion of the popular print media and because of the consolidation of print media over the decades, there is very little to counteract the out right lies these media often tell. Now on the TV side, there are rules and guidelines that give the British TV news a certain unbiased nature when it comes to left vs right wing politics... but only up to a point.

As you saw the last election, the right wing print media went all out to discredit Corbyn, and both ITV, BBC and Sky helped them in the beginning. Even when the Mail and Sun started their massive smear campaign at the end, no news outlet challenged or outed the truth to any real extent. And that has changed everything in my opinion. That the news media in the UK has turned more and more patriotic and dont ask the difficult questions about Brexit and consequences.. nor do their due diligence is a serious problem. The whole Brexit campaigning is another good example.

The fact that Sky News can run a story about Mays immigration proposal and not mention the EU stance, which has been out for months.. is mind boggling. That the reported happened to mention it briefly and then was cut off "because of time", just shows there is a problem in the British media.



RT is a propaganda station. Cant not take it seriously. Sad part, they do sometimes expose the truth overseas, but that is tainted by their Fox News like loyalty to their dear leader. It is a bit like Al Jazzera in English. They dont mention problems in Qatar, but go after other middle eastern countries (which is why we have the Qatar blockade now), so trusting them on this issue is .. hmm. However their coverage of the rest of the world is usually very detailed and top notch and often cover things that you will never see in British or American media... usually because it involves abuses by British and American companies or/and government... but hey.

The fact that a Tory government minister, with links to Rupert Murdoch I believe, starts pushing the "Patriotic" card, is basically a continuing battle to get rid of Ofcom and the BBC, so that Rupert Murdoch can turn Sky News into Fox News in the UK for the Tory party.
I truly don't know much about German media, but I do know that the BBC when it comes to major UK foreign policy serves the interests of the UK government. Domestic issues, and non military issues they are less servile.

I believe that in the lead up to Iraq war the BBC was supportive of the invasion (but I am not certain)
 
I truly don't know much about German media, but I do know that the BBC when it comes to major UK foreign policy serves the interests of the UK government. Domestic issues, and non military issues they are less servile.

Yes, comes from your imperial past.

I believe that in the lead up to Iraq war the BBC was supportive of the invasion (but I am not certain)

Disagree there. In fact there was quite a lot of media in the UK that spoke out against the invasion. Now did the BBC do enough? No, they did not. But I clearly remember them asking the difficult questions both before and after the invasion about the evidence and all that.
 
I wonder, do you think that she has the mood of the country with that?

Honestly? No I don't. I think the young were hugely motivated into voting in the GE and if the referendum was now, it would clearly go the other way. There was a lot of sneering at the young including people claiming to have fought in WW2 then telling the young they had died for freedom the young would give away. I guess if these people weren't hardcore UKIP or BNP types they would have been Russian posters.

I watched Katie Hopkins with her 'populist' message in interview with Jon Snow earlier in the week and it just sounded sad an clueless. I was embarrassed for her.

I simply don't have the stomach to read or watch her.
 
Yes, comes from your imperial past.



Disagree there. In fact there was quite a lot of media in the UK that spoke out against the invasion. Now did the BBC do enough? No, they did not. But I clearly remember them asking the difficult questions both before and after the invasion about the evidence and all that.

Not my imperial past

I am Canadian
 
Which was part of the Empire and who exactly is your head of state? :joke:...


Says the offspring of Vikings who invaded and colonized part of Great Britain;)
 
The BBC when it comes to UK foreign policy has been used to promote major decisions. I doubt German media when it comes to foreign policy is less of a lap dog to German interests which are minor and generally trade related

RT is of course very pro Russian, as to be able to operate it would have to be or see itself shut down, or have serious issues

German media are mostly focused on moulding information flow and opinion to see the superiority of the German Way.
 
German media are mostly focused on moulding information flow and opinion to see the superiority of the German Way.

pooh, I really work hard to take you serious anymore... No idea where this hatred comes from...
 
pooh, I really work hard to take you serious anymore... No idea where this hatred comes from...
hard work would be much better invested elsewhere in this particular case.;)

The witnessed propensity for posting nonsense and the prospect of taking it seriously form an oxymoron all of itself. :mrgreen:
 
pooh, I really work hard to take you serious anymore... No idea where this hatred comes from...

It's the equal and opposite reaction to Pete's take on the U.S. Who knows where irrationality comes from? If it were obvious it would be less irrational, wouldn't it ?
 
pooh, I really work hard to take you serious anymore... No idea where this hatred comes from...

You don't listen impartially, do you.
You should. It is quite defining in many areas. There was/is even a set of expressions like "der deutsche Weg" or the use of expressions like "Exportweltmeister" that have been cultivated to this end. But it goes much deeper to the point that even most well informed people in Germany believe in the superiority of many aspects of their systems and will not believe the statistics, when presented. This is the result of highly and perpetual selective info in their public media. It is hard for the population to recognize the faults of their cultural paradigm. But that is quite normal.
 
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Sounds more like somebody exclusively in touch with own preconceptions, bias and prejudice than with the realities of the country s/he purportedly lives in. Of course inadequate command of the language shown in the past may be a contributor to that failing as well.

At least that would lead to unravelling how the terms "Exportweltmeister" and "Der deutsche Weg" can be so grossly misrepresented as to signify a feeling of superiority.

The claim over the German media being of course pure rubbish.
 
The claim over the German media being of course pure rubbish.

It seems a lot of people have a 'thing' about a certain country or nationality. JoG's is Germany; Pete's is the US and UK; there are those with a thing about Israel or Mexico or even poor old Canada. Me? It's Guinea-Bissau. Can't stand those shifty Bissauans!
 
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It seems a lot of people have a 'thing' about a certain country or nationality. JoG's is Germany, Pete's is the US and UK, there are those with a thing about Israel or Mexico or even poor old Canada. Me? It's Guinea Bissau. Can't stand those shifty Bissauans!

It's the Chagos Islanders that irk me so much :)
 
Don't listen to him, Chagos. He doesn't mean it, he's just overwrought.
I nevertheless agree with him.

Despite never having been there, I still hear that Diego Garcia sucks like an Electrolux ever since the natives were expelled.

Replacing them with Yanks (now the Islanders) seeming not much of an improvement.:mrgreen:
 
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