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Corbyn calls for empty homes of the rich to be seized for Grenfell victims

Slingshot Bob said:
You act as though no real estate is available and private property must be seized. Bet your tune would change if they came for yours. Just a hunch:)
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No, because unlike you if I had a property sitting on its own collecting dust I'd be happy to let people with nowhere to go stay there.
 
These people have lost everything. There are 1300 odd investment houses sitting empty in the suburbs right next to them. Justice, I think, allows for them to take them temporarily until they have somewhere else to live. As for wear and tear, if you own investment properties that you are happy to have sit empty year after year because that's all they are, ie, you're never going to live there, then you are rich enough to pay maintenance.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Who would cover damages and maintenance? You know, wear and tear.
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As I pointed out previously, Corbyn appears to be floating a balloon to see whether there's a gallery it might float towards.

What he calls for isn't easy to implement at all
Doing so would not be allowed under current rules, and legislation to allow property to be seized in peacetime would be controversial.
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also
There are currently no powers available to force an owner to rent out their property if it is vacant.
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and with the time it would take to get a CPO (compulsory purchase order) off the ground, let alone dealing with the costs involved, it's probably not only faster but also cheaper to build a new Grenfell Tower.

Reality Check: Can the government requisition homes? - BBC News
 
Slingshot Bob said:
How many are displaced? Do they not have shelters there in case of some natural disaster?
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Natural disasters are not really a thing in Europe with the exception of occasional flooding or landside in the mountains.
 
Carjosse said:
Natural disasters are not really a thing in Europe with the exception of occasional flooding or landside in the mountains.
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Must be nice, I live in the land of hurricanes, tornadoes and frequent flooding.

Sounds like poor civil planning (granted, London is a very old city) Never know when a tsunami can strike.

If they get hit with a big natural disaster, they will be in bad shape.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Must be nice, I live in the land of hurricanes, tornadoes and frequent flooding.

Sounds like poor civil planning (granted, London is a very old city) Never know when a tsunami can strike.

If they get hit with a big natural disaster, they will be in bad shape.
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Well geographically Europe is just not vulnerable to them. With the exception of Greece they do not really have fault lines for earthquakes, they don't have volcanoes, and the Atlantic fault lines do not really produce tsunamis. London is also nowhere near the ocean. It is not bad planning when geographically it is pretty much impossible for a natural disaster to happen.
 
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Carjosse said:
Well geographically Europe is just not vulnerable to them. With the exception of Greece they do not really have fault lines for earthquakes, they don't have volcanoes, and the Atlantic fault lines do not really produce tsunamis. London is also nowhere near the ocean.
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I was wondering that right after I posted it. But who knows but that climate change might make hurricanes do some funny things. We had some hit New Jersey last year. That is crazy north for a hurricane.
 
Carjosse said:
Well geographically Europe is just not vulnerable to them. With the exception of Greece they do not really have fault lines for earthquakes, they don't have volcanoes, and without those you can't really have a tsunami.
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https://www.britannica.com/event/LAquila-earthquake-of-2009

Mount Etna eruption: BBC crew among at least 10 injured in 'huge explosion' | The Independent

Earthquake in Lorca, Murcia, Spain: in pictures - Telegraph

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/3.0....cipalities-at-risk-of-being-hit-by-earthquake

and when Vesuvius blows (as it inevitably will) it'll make the death toll of Pompeji insignificant by comparison. As in bye bye Naples (round about 4.5 million of which less than half are estimated to make it out).
 
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Kiwimac said:
Heiferdust. These people have just lost everything including neighbours in a fire. Could you be any more insulting?

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I'm sure the answer is a big yes.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Regardless, they should prepare their infrastructure just in case, one of those have and not need it things. Ounce of preparation...
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Why? There is literally no point. Do you think Florida should invest in snow clearing equipment and infrastructure in the case of a blizzard? Should Iowa prepare for a hurricane too?
 
Carjosse said:
And that but I don't think London is any danger of that.
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What with the last one being some 350 years ago and not really anything to do with forests, I guess so.
 
Carjosse said:
Why? There is literally no point. Do you think Florida should invest in snow clearing equipment and infrastructure in the case of a blizzard? Should Iowa prepare for a hurricane too?
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Climate change, who knows what could happen. Any society should have emergency contingencies as a hedge against the unknown, which can and does happen.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Appalling man, appalling ideology. I think now more people will see him for the politician he really is.

No - it's not a Daily Mail link. Peston on ITV.

He didn't answer (as far as I know) whether he would seize rich people's empty homes permanently or just for a temporary emergency. Either way, the worst thing is that the Conservatives are just a by election or two away from another election and a Corbyn govt.
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I support this fully. If there are empty homes in the area, then they should be used in times of crisis like this. This should of course only be temporary.
 
PeteEU said:
I support this fully. If there are empty homes in the area, then they should be used in times of crisis like this. This should of course only be temporary.
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Crisis? How many people are we talking about here?
What would they do in case of an actual crisis where several buildings are damaged in an earthquake or something?
Don't they have shelters or anything to offer before resorting to taking people's property and violating their rights?
Paying for hotel rooms? Anything?
And where are the people of London, aren't they inviting these families to their homes?
 
Apocalypse said:
Crisis? How many people are we talking about here?
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Good question, not even sure the government knows that. But lets for arguments sake say it is 200.

What would they do in case of an actual crisis where several buildings are damaged in an earthquake or something?
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Lets see.. tent cities, public buildings and so on. And they would use any and all buildings that can be used... regardless of who owns them. It is a bit like owning a swimming pool, but the fire fighters have the right to drain the pool if need be.

Don't they have shelters or anything to offer before resorting to taking people's property and violating their rights?
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They are in the shelters, but that is not a medium or long.. hell not even short term solution.

Paying for hotel rooms? Anything?
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Expensive as hell.

And where are the people of London, aren't they inviting these families to their homes?
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They are. In fact there are some wealthy building owners that have opened up apartments and buildings that are vacant for these people. Just not enough it seems. So alternative thinking must be used.. For example, one of my pet peeves is that regulation prevents people moving into business and shops that stand vacant for years, while people are in serious need for homes.
 
Of course, we all know, that property rights are far more important than human ones.
 
Henrin said:
The government seizing peoples lands and giving that land to other citizens is in fact something communist dictatorships did.
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So it was communists who seized all the Native American land.
 
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