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Could the UK default their trade laws to European Standards?

Thothseeker

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Hello all,

This is my first thread, and I was watching John Oliver when I had an idea. It is no secret that the trade standards the United Kingdom will have to deal with are immense, and this will be a messy process. That being said, is it possible that Britain will adopt EU regulations in a de facto manner, and simply call it British? It will be officially out of the European Union, but it will adhere to most of its' standards as a matter of convenience and changing what it wants to to suit the needs of the UK.
I only am suggesting an idea. I understand that the situation is extremely complicated, and the snap election has not made things easier (though I wish, as an American, that we had a labor party as left leaning as yours gaining so much ground), and this would only really apply to trade relations with the European Union. I don't know if it could apply in a broader international perspective.

Your thoughts?

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Thothseeker said:
Hello all,

This is my first thread, and I was watching John Oliver when I had an idea. It is no secret that the trade standards the United Kingdom will have to deal with are immense, and this will be a messy process. That being said, is it possible that Britain will adopt EU regulations in a de facto manner, and simply call it British? It will be officially out of the European Union, but it will adhere to most of its' standards as a matter of convenience and changing what it wants to to suit the needs of the UK.
I only am suggesting an idea. I understand that the situation is extremely complicated, and the snap election has not made things easier (though I wish, as an American, that we had a labor party as left leaning as yours gaining so much ground), and this would only really apply to trade relations with the European Union. I don't know if it could apply in a broader international perspective.

Your thoughts?

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Hi and congrats on your first thread.:)

The main obstacle to virtually anything and everything is that the UK not only wants out of the EU but also (obviously in the process) out of the customs union. What's more, the EU is not likely to keep it there without some trade agreement finally reached on freedom of movement, both of goods and people.

So I don't really understand what you mean by adopting trade standards in line with EU regulations.
 
I have the vague impression and no more, that we brought all current applicable EU legistlation into UK law, so that it can be dismantled at will once we leave. It's a major fallacy that we are overwhelmed by Brussels lawmaking, I think it's less than 15% of UK law is drectly EU related. An obvious problem with that is that selling 60% of our exports into Europe, the EU buyers can insist contractually that those standards are still met. (including employment laws, for instance)
 
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Hi and congrats on your first thread.:)

The main obstacle to virtually anything and everything is that the UK not only wants out of the EU but also (obviously in the process) out of the customs union. What's more, the EU is not likely to keep it there without some trade agreement finally reached on freedom of movement, both of goods and people.

So I don't really understand what you mean by adopting trade standards in line with EU regulations.
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I believe he means product and service standards.

So that a car built and sold in the UK could also be sold in the EU as it meets all EU standards. The laws and regulations are British but are fully adopted from EU standards
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
I believe he means product and service standards.

So that a car built and sold in the UK could also be sold in the EU as it meets all EU standards. The laws and regulations are British but are fully adopted from EU standards
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Ah, I see.

Well, nothing to reasonably prevent that.
 
Chagos said:
Ah, I see.

Well, nothing to reasonably prevent that.
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It is the logical thing to do for any item that could be exported. It will also allow the UK to make exemptions for purely British items like vegimite or hagas (sp)
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
It is the logical thing to do for any item that could be exported. It will also allow the UK to make exemptions for purely British items like vegimite or hagas (sp)
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Isn't vegimite Ow-stry-lee-un? And what, by the beard of the prophet, is hagas?:mrgreen:
 
Chagos said:
Ah, I see.

Well, nothing to reasonably prevent that.
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Yes, this is what I meant. Sorry, should have stated this earlier.

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Thothseeker said:
Hello all,

This is my first thread, and I was watching John Oliver when I had an idea. It is no secret that the trade standards the United Kingdom will have to deal with are immense, and this will be a messy process. That being said, is it possible that Britain will adopt EU regulations in a de facto manner, and simply call it British? It will be officially out of the European Union, but it will adhere to most of its' standards as a matter of convenience and changing what it wants to to suit the needs of the UK.
I only am suggesting an idea. I understand that the situation is extremely complicated, and the snap election has not made things easier (though I wish, as an American, that we had a labor party as left leaning as yours gaining so much ground), and this would only really apply to trade relations with the European Union. I don't know if it could apply in a broader international perspective.

Your thoughts?

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*as far as goods and services go.

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Thothseeker said:
Hello all,

This is my first thread, and I was watching John Oliver when I had an idea. It is no secret that the trade standards the United Kingdom will have to deal with are immense, and this will be a messy process.
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Interesting first thread.

There is a miss-conception that the UK some how will have less standards now that is out of the EU.. no it wont. In fact, I suspect it will have even more as the British Parliament tries to prove it is boss. Did the UK have food standards before the EU... yes of course it did and do you think they will lower those standards? LOL yea right. Did it have standards on electrical parts.. yes of course it did, and now that it is out, then suddenly the UK will get rid of the UK electrical plug which is over-engineered and way exceeds EU standards? yea right.

So the amount of standards wont really change, but they might change to make it more difficult and costly to sell in the UK market, something that the EU has been trying to minimise since it start. Harmonisation of standards is one of the cornerstones of the EEC/EU, as it is a competitive issue.

That being said, is it possible that Britain will adopt EU regulations in a de facto manner, and simply call it British?
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That is what they will do. The Brexit people threatened to throw out all EU regulations before the vote, and now they are saying they will "replace" those that they dont like and call the others British. How pragmatic of them all of a sudden. Guess they found out that the amount of work "de-EUing" their legal system, would be too much and too costly. Remember, the UK has been a member for 40 years.

It will be officially out of the European Union, but it will adhere to most of its' standards as a matter of convenience and changing what it wants to to suit the needs of the UK.
I only am suggesting an idea. I understand that the situation is extremely complicated, and the snap election has not made things easier (though I wish, as an American, that we had a labor party as left leaning as yours gaining so much ground), and this would only really apply to trade relations with the European Union. I don't know if it could apply in a broader international perspective.

Your thoughts?
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It all depends on how bat crazy nationalistic the British government will become.

As it stands now, the British have no plan (still). The most recent meeting between the EU and UK, broke up without any negotiation plan, as the UK could not present its official negotiation plan. The EU negotiators are frustrated as hell and are privately expecting a 1 year delay because of the lack of UK preparation.

So the most likely ending will be the UK leaves the EU with no trade deal, and most likely in a trade dispute over divorce payments. Hopefully they will be able to negotiate some sort of deal on movement of people, else it will be one huge cluster**** to say the least.

Right now, the main problem is the UK and lack of will or ability to negotiate, and its insisting that they negotiate a trade deal, along side a divorce settlement.... which is idiotic, since the trade deal is dependent on what divorce deal they can ramp out. You cant negotiate trade if you dont know if your people can actually enter the freaking country.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
I believe he means product and service standards.

So that a car built and sold in the UK could also be sold in the EU as it meets all EU standards. The laws and regulations are British but are fully adopted from EU standards
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Yea but now the Uk has the US ability to use standards as a trade barrier. So they can, like the US, put in standards in that are so different, that you cant import your products without significantly changing them.. at a higher cost. Now will the UK do this, when it comes to cars.. doubt it, as it would be suicide for their car industry. Of course if that industry starts moving to the EU, then it would be a possibility, but that would require that all cars be changed.
 
Thothseeker said:
That being said, is it possible that Britain will adopt EU regulations in a de facto manner, and simply call it British?
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Almost inevitable one way or another. Existing EU-level regulations are already in UK law so none of that will automatically change and there’s no real push for massive regulatory changes in any field. As others have pointed out, this doesn’t impact as much as many people imagine and many EU regulations are in line with (or weaker than) previous UK ones anyway. In a number of areas it was UK pressure that make EU-wide regulations stricter.

How any future changes impact the UK will vary. UK businesses who continue to trade with Europe will generally need to continue to follow EU regulations (and vice-versa to a lesser extent) and the Brexit agreement may well include some elements of maintaining consistency in regulations to help support continued trade. I could also see some elements going the other way, with the EU and UK governments adjusting regulations to try to give native businesses a competitive advantage.

I guess much of that, like so much else, really depends on how cordial the relationships between politicians and officials from the EU and UK continue to be as the Brexit negotiations develop and end. FWIW, I predicted this kind of mess before we even had the referendum though the “I told you so” moments don’t really help me feel any better about it all.
 
PeteEU said:
Yea but now the Uk has the US ability to use standards as a trade barrier. So they can, like the US, put in standards in that are so different, that you cant import your products without significantly changing them.. at a higher cost. Now will the UK do this, when it comes to cars.. doubt it, as it would be suicide for their car industry. Of course if that industry starts moving to the EU, then it would be a possibility, but that would require that all cars be changed.
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They could put in higher/tougher standards to ensure their products can be sold in the EU, but EU products built to EU standards do not meet UK standards. That could increase production in the UK, but at a significant increase in cost for at least 10 years. A serious decline in living standards as a result. I doubt they would move that way at least initially.

I do expect that the UK will just adopt EU standards for the majority of products, with exemptions for items that will not likely be exported to the EU (specialty cheese for instance)
 
Everything will now be fine with Brexit because John Olivier have asked Lord Buckethead to lead the negotiation and he accepted. Lord Buckethead that got his best result ever against a Tory leader with 249 votes. Also in UK, they seem to have a great tradition of having all the candidates in a parliament constituency standing on stage waiting for the result, so Lord Buckethead has already meet Therese May.

Lord Buckethead had this policy platform:

Nuclear weapons: "A firm public commitment to build the 100-billion-pound renewal of Britain's Trident weapons system, followed by an equally firm commitment, privately, not to build it. They're secret submarines, so no one will ever know. It's a win-win."[7]
Free bicycles for all to "combat obesity, traffic congestion, and bike theft".[7]
Instead of Theresa May's commitment to bring back[7] grammar schools, Buckethead would build "gamma" schools founded on three principles: "One, better funding for teachers, to attract bright graduates. Two, increased facilities for children, especially playing fields. Three, if any child misbehaves three times, they are blasted into deep space, with the parents provided with a lovely fruit basket, by way of consolation or celebration, depending on the child. Discipline is key".[7]
A referendum on whether or not to have another Brexit referendum.[19]
Legalise the hunting of fox hunters.[19]
Nationalisation of Adele.[19]
Exile of Katie Hopkins to the Phantom Zone.[19]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Buckethead

Another thing from the show was the fact UK not only have the negotiation with UK but also will lose 750 international arrangements. On top all the other problems.

It poses a formidable and little-understood challenge for Britain’s prime minister after the June 8 election. While Brexit is often cast as an affair between Brussels and London, in practice Britain’s exit will open more than 750 separate time-pressured mini-negotiations worldwide, according to Financial Times research. And there are no obvious shortcuts: even a basic transition after 2019 requires not just EU-UK approval, but the deal-by-deal authorisation of every third country involved.

“The nearest precedent you can think of is a cessation of a country — you are almost starting from scratch,” says Andrew Hood, a former UK government lawyer now at Dechert. “It will be a very difficult, iterative process.”
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https://www.ft.com/content/f1435a8e-372b-11e7-bce4-9023f8c0fd2e

But maybee Buckethead and Boris Johnsson can be a good team.

Here's how Boris Johnson insulted YOUR country - CNN.com
 
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