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Germany- Woman Fined €1300 for Facebook Post

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In the increasingly bizarre situation that is Germany's laws concerning free speech, a woman has been fined €1300 ($1500) for a meme that she reposted on Facebook.

On 4 June 2017, the conservative web site Breitbart reported that a 62-year-old woman in Berlin, Germany, had been fined for sharing an anti-migrant meme on Facebook.

A spokesperson for the Berlin criminal courts confirmed for us many of the factual claims made in the Breitbart article.

A 62-year-old woman named in reports as “Jutta B.” was indeed found guilty of incitement to racial hatred, a crime known in Germany as Volksverhetzung, on 30 May 2017, although she could still appeal her conviction as of June 2017.
Germany has strict laws and penalties against what’s known as “hate speech”, including incitement to hatred and Holocaust denial, and the woman could face up to five years in prison for her offense.

Did a German Woman Get Fined for Sharing a Meme on Facebook?
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Now compare this case with a German court's decision that stated fire-bombing a synagogue is not antisemitism :

Three German Palestinians threw homemade Molotov cocktails at the Jewish house of prayer in July, 2014. A local Wuppertal court panel said in a 2015 decision the defendants claim was credible, deciding that the attack was not motivated by anti-Semitism.

Three men, identified only as 31-year-old Mohamad E., 26 year-old Ismail A. and 20-year-old Mohammad A., were handed suspended sentences.
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/inte...synagogue-torching-is-act-to-criticize-israel
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While Germany and the UK seem to be dedicated to ushering in Islam's supremacy in Europe, I for one am glad that my president isn't cowardly crumbling at the feet of Mohammed's followers.
 
truthatallcost said:
In the increasingly bizarre situation that is Germany's laws concerning free speech, a woman has been fined €1300 ($1500) for a meme that she reposted on Facebook.



Now compare this case with a German court's decision that stated fire-bombing a synagogue is not antisemitism :



While Germany and the UK seem to be dedicated to ushering in Islam's supremacy in Europe, I for one am glad that my president isn't cowardly crumbling at the feet of Mohammed's followers.
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Yeah,...instead he crumbles at the feet of authoritarian dictators like Putin, Duarte and the Saudis (Mohammed followers) because he's too cowardly to even shake the hand of a close ally. He's a horrible disgusting excuse for a man and has brought nothing but shame on our country.
 
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Moot said:
Yeah,...instead he crumbles at the feet of authoritarian dictators like Putin, Duarte and the Saudis (Mohammed followers) because he's too cowardly to even shake the hand of a close ally. He's a horrible disgusting excuse for a man and has brought nothing but shame on our country.
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And you aren't alarmed by Germany's apparent willingness to once again endorse antisemitism?
 
truthatallcost said:
In the increasingly bizarre situation that is Germany's laws concerning free speech, a woman has been fined €1300 ($1500) for a meme that she reposted on Facebook.



Now compare this case with a German court's decision that stated fire-bombing a synagogue is not antisemitism :



While Germany and the UK seem to be dedicated to ushering in Islam's supremacy in Europe, I for one am glad that my president isn't cowardly crumbling at the feet of Mohammed's followers.
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Pakistan and Germany have the same hatred for freedom of speech. It should come as no surprise that Germany is accepting so many terrorist sympathizers into their country.

Pakistani Man Sentenced to death for Facebook Post.
 
truthatallcost said:
In the increasingly bizarre situation that is Germany's laws concerning free speech, a woman has been fined €1300 ($1500) for a meme that she reposted on Facebook.



Now compare this case with a German court's decision that stated fire-bombing a synagogue is not antisemitism :



While Germany and the UK seem to be dedicated to ushering in Islam's supremacy in Europe, I for one am glad that my president isn't cowardly crumbling at the feet of Mohammed's followers.
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My my one link to what look like a hoax site........

Come on stop spreading nonsense just to spread nonsense at least unless you are being paid to do so and if so let me know where to sign up as who could not used the added income.
 
BillRM said:
My my one link to what look like a hoax site........
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Snopes is a hoax site? Hmm, better tell the Dems that, it's their version of the Holy Bible.

Come on stop spreading nonsense just to spread nonsense at least unless you are being paid to do so and if so let me know where to sign up as who could not used the added income.
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:lamo ok , send me $19.99 plus shipping and handling and I'll get you into the Fake News Business.
 
truthatallcost said:
And you aren't alarmed by Germany's apparent willingness to once again endorse antisemitism?
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It's not "endorsing" anti-antisemitism...but I am alarmed at the rise in anti-semitism all over the world.
 
truthatallcost said:
In the increasingly bizarre situation that is Germany's laws concerning free speech, a woman has been fined €1300 ($1500) for a meme that she reposted on Facebook.



Now compare this case with a German court's decision that stated fire-bombing a synagogue is not antisemitism :



While Germany and the UK seem to be dedicated to ushering in Islam's supremacy in Europe, I for one am glad that my president isn't cowardly crumbling at the feet of Mohammed's followers.
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Actually in case you don't know Germany has had "problems" with racial and religious bigotry in the past and the fact that they choose to fine those that exhibit those behaviors should relieve you, not surprise you. We tax and fine things we want less of.
 
truthatallcost said:
In the increasingly bizarre situation that is Germany's laws concerning free speech, a woman has been fined €1300 ($1500) for a meme that she reposted on Facebook.



Now compare this case with a German court's decision that stated fire-bombing a synagogue is not antisemitism :



While Germany and the UK seem to be dedicated to ushering in Islam's supremacy in Europe, I for one am glad that my president isn't cowardly crumbling at the feet of Mohammed's followers.
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I don't know about the point in mentioning trump in this context. But it is rather worth pointing out that forbidding free expression of opinions on one of the most controversial political topics of the time and one that the government does not like has the feel about it of political courts and not rule of law.
 
iguanaman said:
Actually in case you don't know Germany has had "problems" with racial and religious bigotry in the past and the fact that they choose to fine those that exhibit those behaviors should relieve you, not surprise you. We tax and fine things we want less of.
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Germany, specifically has had a problem with antisemitism, not Facebook memes.

Did you happen to read my OP? I prepared it specially for you.
 
reinoe said:
Pakistan and Germany have the same hatred for freedom of speech. It should come as no surprise that Germany is accepting so many terrorist sympathizers into their country.

Pakistani Man Sentenced to death for Facebook Post.
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Germany is really in no position to criticize Trump IMO. And Pakistan is just a ****hole, no surprise there. I went to school with Muslims who were my friends, even they said Pakistan was a steaming pile.
 
iguanaman said:
Actually in case you don't know Germany has had "problems" with racial and religious bigotry in the past and the fact that they choose to fine those that exhibit those behaviors should relieve you, not surprise you. We tax and fine things we want less of.
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Not at all. Topics that cannot be discussed go underground to fester. That is one of the things democracy and free expression of opinion are about.
 
joG said:
I don't know about the point in mentioning trump in this context. But it is rather worth pointing out that forbidding free expression of opinions on one of the most controversial political topics of the time and one that the government does not like has the feel about it of political courts and not rule of law.
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I think Germany of all countries know and understand just how well how well hate propaganda works. So perhaps they just don't want a repeat of the past...and value their democracy and capitalism more than they value hateful racist, bigoted propaganda...and meme's.
 
truthatallcost said:
Germany, specifically has had a problem with antisemitism, not Facebook memes.

Did you happen to read my OP? I prepared it specially for you.
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Bigotry takes many forms but they are all the same. Giving bigots voices makes them seem normal.
 
Moot said:
I think Germany of all countries know and understand just how well how well hate propaganda works. So perhaps they just don't want a repeat of the past...and value their democracy and capitalism more than they value hateful racist, bigoted propaganda...and meme's.
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I think one of the normal progressions from democratic order to authoritarian is via the mechanism of the government defining what is too dangerous to say.
 
joG said:
I think one of the normal progressions from democratic order to authoritarian is via the mechanism of the government defining what is too dangerous to say.
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Germany oughta know...Goebbels practically invented The Big Lie.

Correction: It was Hitler.
 
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Moot said:
Germany oughta know...Goebbels practically invented The Big Lie.

Correction: It was Hitler.
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They were actually both quite deft at it. ;)
 
Bah, the German law on "Volksverhetzung" goes back to the late 50s and its application lies in the discretion of the judiciary.

As far as I can tell most Germans have no gripe over it and probably feel like telling other nations to mind their own business or they'll come and help those very same with running THEIR respective countries.:roll:

Comparing this particular case to the synagogue verdict is a load of baloney, seeing how this one was open and close where the other wasn't.

It's not that I'd agree with the verdict in the latter case but then I preside over no court.

In the former case the post that the woman redistributed was composed in a Q & A mode that held such gems:roll: as answering the question of "do you have anything against refugees" with "yeah, sure, machine guns and hand grenades".

All of that aside, in view of the Federal Constitutional Court perpetually being one of the biggest thorns in the side of any government, calling the German judiciary political just shows what ignorance one can be consumed of, despite (purportedly) living in the country.
 
truthatallcost said:
Germany is really in no position to criticize Trump IMO. And Pakistan is just a ****hole, no surprise there. I went to school with Muslims who were my friends, even they said Pakistan was a steaming pile.
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Have you ever been to Pakistan?

No?

Then you must know my friend Juan Luis Gutierrez.

He's never been to Pakistan either.

:rofl
 
truthatallcost said:
In the increasingly bizarre situation that is Germany's laws concerning free speech, a woman has been fined €1300 ($1500) for a meme that she reposted on Facebook.



Now compare this case with a German court's decision that stated fire-bombing a synagogue is not antisemitism :



While Germany and the UK seem to be dedicated to ushering in Islam's supremacy in Europe, I for one am glad that my president isn't cowardly crumbling at the feet of Mohammed's followers.
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A 2 year suspended prison sentence is a stiff penalty for an attempt to start a fire (attempt, because the molotov cocktails fizzled out even before they hit the ground, the 3 suspects being drunk as hell).

It was ruled as not anti-semitism but it was ruled as an anti-Israel attack due to anger at an incident involving Israel. All three of the men were Palestinian refugees and as said were totally drunk. Not an excuse, but as there was only an attempted firebombing, without real damage, they got suspended sentences of close to 2 years.

You can agree or disagree with it, but this sentence was appealed against and the higher court came to the same ruling, not anti-semitism but out of anger towards Israel.

But a sentence of 2 years suspended is a bit higher than a fine IMHO.
 
truthatallcost said:
And you aren't alarmed by Germany's apparent willingness to once again endorse antisemitism?
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They did not endorse anti-semitism. One judge and one case is not "Germany". Especially because you will also be prosecuted for antisemtic comments and holocaust denial.
 
reinoe said:
Pakistan and Germany have the same hatred for freedom of speech. It should come as no surprise that Germany is accepting so many terrorist sympathizers into their country.

Pakistani Man Sentenced to death for Facebook Post.
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Really, you want to compare a fine to the death penalty :lamo sure, that is total nonsense. Germany has freedom of speech, but if you break the law, you can be prosecuted. There is no absolute public freedom of speech in a lot of countries. I think that is a good thing when it is not abused.
 
truthatallcost said:
In the increasingly bizarre situation that is Germany's laws concerning free speech, a woman has been fined €1300 ($1500) for a meme that she reposted on Facebook.



Now compare this case with a German court's decision that stated fire-bombing a synagogue is not antisemitism :



While Germany and the UK seem to be dedicated to ushering in Islam's supremacy in Europe, I for one am glad that my president isn't cowardly crumbling at the feet of Mohammed's followers.
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This seems to be becoming disturbingly common in a numer of EU countries (despite the Europe Court of Human Rights etc) there was a case in Spain of a lady going to court for joking about the asssasination of one of Franco´s ministers several decades ago. I think as long as someone isn´t actually advocating violence or slandering someone they should be able to say what they want without fear of legal consequences. Same goes for genocide denial etc.

Though I admit that in this case its a tricky one as the women´s comments could be seen as an implicit threat.
 
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