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Windows xp for British warships including the 4 nuclear missiles subs.

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I love it that I just hear on the weekly computer security podcast at TWIT.TV/SN that all English warships with special regard to the 4 nuclear missiles subs weapons are control by windows XP OS.

I been taking heats for still using XP for my home computers due to it being outdated and having security risks and here the Royal naval is trusting it with their seagoing nuclear weapons and most of the rest of their naval also.

I just can see it now send us 5 billions bitcoins or we will launch a nuclear attack on London with your own missiles.

A better target then the British health care system.

I am still laughing.
 
XP has patches against WannaCry
 
BillRM said:
I love it that I just hear on the weekly computer security podcast at TWIT.TV/SN that all English warships with special regard to the 4 nuclear missiles subs weapons are control by windows XP OS.

I been taking heats for still using XP for my home computers due to it being outdated and having security risks and here the Royal naval is trusting it with their seagoing nuclear weapons and most of the rest of their naval also.

I just can see it now send us 5 billions bitcoins or we will launch a nuclear attack on London with your own missiles.

A better target then the British health care system.

I am still laughing.
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Depends. Do those British sub's XP computers connect to the Internet?

If yes...those Brits are idiots.

If no...then nothing to worry about.
 
BillRM said:
I love it that I just hear on the weekly computer security podcast at TWIT.TV/SN that all English warships with special regard to the 4 nuclear missiles subs weapons are control by windows XP OS.

I been taking heats for still using XP for my home computers due to it being outdated and having security risks and here the Royal naval is trusting it with their seagoing nuclear weapons and most of the rest of their naval also.

I just can see it now send us 5 billions bitcoins or we will launch a nuclear attack on London with your own missiles.

A better target then the British health care system.

I am still laughing.
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How will they do that if the computers aren't connected to the internet?

And how do they know what OS they have on British nuclear subs?
 
BillRM said:
I love it that I just hear on the weekly computer security podcast at TWIT.TV/SN that all English warships with special regard to the 4 nuclear missiles subs weapons are control by windows XP OS.

I been taking heats for still using XP for my home computers due to it being outdated and having security risks and here the Royal naval is trusting it with their seagoing nuclear weapons and most of the rest of their naval also.

I just can see it now send us 5 billions bitcoins or we will launch a nuclear attack on London with your own missiles.

A better target then the British health care system.

I am still laughing.
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These machines are most likely not networked to the internet.

Also, the US nuclear forces uses 5 and 1/4 floppy disks still..
 
Apocalypse said:
How will they do that if the computers aren't connected to the internet?

And how do they know what OS they have on British nuclear subs?
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First it is no secret that the royal navy is using XP and a fast google search will confirm that fact.

Next as in the case of the Iran nuclear program prove with Stuxnet there are ways and means to get malware into computer systems without the systems being part of the internet.
 
Win XP is more secure than Win10- because the latter is remotely controlled by Microsuck and you cant turn off auto updates.
 
BillRM said:
I love it that I just hear on the weekly computer security podcast at TWIT.TV/SN that all English warships with special regard to the 4 nuclear missiles subs weapons are control by windows XP OS.

I been taking heats for still using XP for my home computers due to it being outdated and having security risks and here the Royal naval is trusting it with their seagoing nuclear weapons and most of the rest of their naval also.

I just can see it now send us 5 billions bitcoins or we will launch a nuclear attack on London with your own missiles.

A better target then the British health care system.

I am still laughing.
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The U.S. Navy also still runs Windows XP, but it is paying for extra security and updates while it transitions to more modern operating systems. A $9 million dollar tech support deal it cut with Microsoft is good until July 2016, with an option to extend for another year for $31 million.
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Probably based on the American designs - when we designed our own subs I'm pretty sure technical features and ideas where shared across both sets of engineering design teams.
 
PoS said:
Win XP is more secure than Win10- because the latter is remotely controlled by Microsuck and you cant turn off auto updates.
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Enterprise Windows does not have the tracking and data collection.
 
BillRM said:
I love it that I just hear on the weekly computer security podcast at TWIT.TV/SN that all English warships with special regard to the 4 nuclear missiles subs weapons are control by windows XP OS.

I been taking heats for still using XP for my home computers due to it being outdated and having security risks and here the Royal naval is trusting it with their seagoing nuclear weapons and most of the rest of their naval also.

I just can see it now send us 5 billions bitcoins or we will launch a nuclear attack on London with your own missiles.

A better target then the British health care system.

I am still laughing.
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The NASA space shuttle first launched with an 8088 processor, then they upgraded to a 80286 processor and stayed with that processor which used a hybrid of COBOL and DOS BASIC called... wait for it... HAL/S (High-order Assembly Language/Shuttle, like the computer in the movie 2001 a Space Odyssey).

As for the nuclear submarines, they aren't connected to the internet and are not subject to being hacked, so running XP as the OS may be slow, but probably not dangerous. Also, all the programs running on the ship's computers are written to run on XP. To upgrade the OS would probably mean upgrading all the other software, which would be extremely expensive, and would take the ships off the line for an indeterminate amount of time.

Although to a civilian with computer knowledge would think - and rightfully so from a civilian standpoint - that keeping XP as the computer OS is antiquated, slow, and unable to compute as many functions as compared to modern OS capabilities, the programs that are being run by those computers don't require more processing capacity than the XP OS provides.

If it ain't broke, don't spend millions trying to fix it. IMHO.
 
Beaudreaux said:
The NASA space shuttle first launched with an 8088 processor, then they upgraded to a 80286 processor and stayed with that processor which used a hybrid of COBOL and DOS BASIC called... wait for it... HAL/S (High-order Assembly Language/Shuttle, like the computer in the movie 2001 a Space Odyssey).

As for the nuclear submarines, they aren't connected to the internet and are not subject to being hacked, so running XP as the OS may be slow, but probably not dangerous. Also, all the programs running on the ship's computers are written to run on XP. To upgrade the OS would probably mean upgrading all the other software, which would be extremely expensive, and would take the ships off the line for an indeterminate amount of time.

Although to a civilian with computer knowledge would think - and rightfully so from a civilian standpoint - that keeping XP as the computer OS is antiquated, slow, and unable to compute as many functions as compared to modern OS capabilities, the programs that are being run by those computers don't require more processing capacity than the XP OS provides.

If it ain't broke, don't spend millions trying to fix it. IMHO.
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wow, i remember i had one of the first portable PCs by IBM , which was the size of a suitcase


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Master PO said:
wow, i remember i had one of the first portable PCs by IBM , which was the size of a suitcase


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I had a Compaq Portable II that I bought not long after college in '86 and it cost a little over $4,000.00 at the time.

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Beaudreaux said:
I had a Compaq Portable II that I bought not long after college in '86 and it cost a little over $4,000.00 at the time.

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What $4,000 would buy you now in computer power...............
 
Beaudreaux said:
The NASA space shuttle first launched with an 8088 processor, then they upgraded to a 80286 processor and stayed with that processor which used a hybrid of COBOL and DOS BASIC called... wait for it... HAL/S (High-order Assembly Language/Shuttle, like the computer in the movie 2001 a Space Odyssey).

As for the nuclear submarines, they aren't connected to the internet and are not subject to being hacked, so running XP as the OS may be slow, but probably not dangerous. Also, all the programs running on the ship's computers are written to run on XP. To upgrade the OS would probably mean upgrading all the other software, which would be extremely expensive, and would take the ships off the line for an indeterminate amount of time.

Although to a civilian with computer knowledge would think - and rightfully so from a civilian standpoint - that keeping XP as the computer OS is antiquated, slow, and unable to compute as many functions as compared to modern OS capabilities, the programs that are being run by those computers don't require more processing capacity than the XP OS provides.

If it ain't broke, don't spend millions trying to fix it. IMHO.
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First no humans are likely to be attacking the shuttle software to bring it down or cause other harms to it, so the threat model is hardly the same as with a warship.

Next even assuming there is no internet gateways such as for email to and from the sailors on the subs, the case of Iran nuclear program is proof that malware can be introduce to cut off and highly protected networks with no internet connections.
 
Carjosse said:
4/5 of the new MacPro.
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But it uses AMD processors now, how can they justify that level of cost still? The point of AMD was a cheaper alternative to Intel..?
 
Infinite Chaos said:
But it uses AMD processors now, how can they justify that level of cost still? The point of AMD was a cheaper alternative to Intel..?
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Most likely the 128GB of RAM, the 3TB or 4TB SSD, the 5k monitor, and the fact it is an Apple product.
 
Carjosse said:
Most likely the 128GB of RAM, the 3TB or 4TB SSD, the 5k monitor, and the fact it is an Apple product.
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Have to confess I'm typing on a MacBook Pro but I wouldn't but the new Mac Pro at all. There are some pretty powerful alternatives or I would look at building my own.
 
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