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Theresa May, 'Things need to change'

iguanaman said:
I would go for that. In fact I think all private schools should be banned. We would be amazed at how good our schools got if the wealthy were required to send their kids there. In works like a charm in France.
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But France never did that.
 
iguanaman said:
I would go for that. In fact I think all private schools should be banned. We would be amazed at how good our schools got if the wealthy were required to send their kids there. In works like a charm in France.
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I'm not convinced anything works well in France. But their education is OK. Which is better than almost everything else there.
 
William Rea said:
There goes more of our freedom, in the name of security.

Tougher sentences for suicide attackers, that will deter them won't it.

less freedom on the internet, great, let's give up freedom for security, we will deserve neither.
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In this, I'm not in favour. Reversing 20,000 police cuts should be the priority, making sure when muslims report jihadis in their midst should be the priority. Checking though our trade and relations with Saudi Arabia and similar states that are the financial and political home of the jihadis should be our priority.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
In this, I'm not in favour. Reversing 20,000 police cuts should be the priority, making sure when muslims report jihadis in their midst should be the priority. Checking though our trade and relations with Saudi Arabia and similar states that are the financial and political home of the jihadis should be our priority.
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Shame I can only give this one like.
 
Carjosse said:
But France never did that.
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Private schools in France are essentially (about 90%) catholic schools, in which there is religious instruction in the curriculum; they select their own teachers, but must follow the same curriculum as state schools if they wish to remain under contract (écoles sous contrat) to the state education system. This is a very important point for almost all private schools, as it means that the state pays the teachers. Consequently, private schools in France only charge symbolic or low fees, and are accessible to pupils from all sectors of society, not just to those whose parents are well-off. There are only a handful of fee-paying boarding schools in France, similar to English "public schools".
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The French Education system - schools and secondary education. About-France.com
 
William Rea said:
Shame I can only give this one like.
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Did you see that one of the Saturday night attackers had been reported to police by another muslim?

There is zero reason to take our liberties away until May or whoever is in govt puts those police numbers back so there can be adequate cover when muslims do what we have been asking and reporting the monsters in their midst.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Did you see that one of the Saturday night attackers had been reported to police by another muslim?

There is zero reason to take our liberties away until May or whoever is in govt puts those police numbers back so there can be adequate cover when muslims do what we have been asking and reporting the monsters in their midst.
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It is starting to appear like the Muslim community is pointing people of interest out but, the Police simply do not have time and resources to follow up leads. I am trying not to jump to conclusions but, the emerging narrative appears to be exactly that.
 
William Rea said:
It is starting to appear like the Muslim community is pointing people of interest out but, the Police simply do not have time and resources to follow up leads. I am trying not to jump to conclusions but, the emerging narrative appears to be exactly that.
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Yes, it does. Have you noticed that usual cries of "where are the moderate muslims" or "why are they silent" are notably missing?
 
Question I automatically asked myself after May's statement of Sunday (and fortunately I'm clearly not alone in its asking) was and is why it took London bridge and Borough to prompt the realization that "enough is enough".

Westminster wasn't?

Not to mention Manchester?
 
Chagos said:
Question I automatically asked myself after May's statement of Sunday (and fortunately I'm clearly not alone in its asking) was and is why it took London bridge and Borough to prompt the realization that "enough is enough".

Westminster wasn't?

Not to mention Manchester?
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I have no idea what it has to do with eggs anyway?
 
Chagos said:
...........and that in face of all the obvious scrambling :lol:
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I blame the French philosophers myself, of course an egg is an egg for goodness sakes!!!
 
William Rea said:
I blame the French philosophers myself, of course an egg is an egg for goodness sakes!!!
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I'll meanwhile put it all down to being caused by a case of galloping covfefe.

That'll serve as well as everything else.
 
Tim the plumber said:

That would be nice.

Ever heard of fraudulent practices? Lying and getting money for it.

Freedom of religion does not allow for one person to defraud another. Similar to not allowing the religious freedom to burn a heritic at the stake.
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I doubt any fraud law would hold up in that application, at least in the U.S. See United States v. Ballard, 322 U.S. 78 (1944).
 
Theresa May said:
I mean longer prison sentences, for those convicted of terrorist offences, I mean making it easier for the authorities to deport foreign terrorist suspects back to their own countries and I mean doing more to restrict the freedom and movements of terrorist suspects, when we have enough evidence to know they are a threat, but not enough evidence to prosecute them for in court. And if our human rights laws stop us from doing it, we will change the law so we can do it."
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A year or so ago I would have agreed this but seeing the huge cuts in Police numbers makes me think the focus is wrong and it's easier to take away everyone's liberty than do something positive about police numbers.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
A year or so ago I would have agreed this but seeing the huge cuts in Police numbers makes me think the focus is wrong and it's easier to take away everyone's liberty than do something positive about police numbers.
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It's all a desperation wobble (yet another one).

Basically attempting to deflect from the personnel and fund cuts that came in under her watch, by shoving all of it onto Corbyn for his past obstructions to more authoritarian laws being installed.

Which, to give the truth its due, he indeed engaged in.

So now those perps that were indeed on the radar already could not be monitored any further due to lack of appropriate laws, not due to lack of personnel.

Got it now?

As an aside, no amount of security personnel and no amount of authoritarianism can provide the 100 pct safety that everybody is trying to sell us. Not even Stalin or Hitler, close as they got, could reach that goal line.

But that said, if Corbyn told me the sun will rise in the East tomorrow, I'd believe him, little love as I have for him.

If May told me, I'd close the bedroom shutters to the West.
 
Chagos said:
~ So now those perps that were indeed on the radar already could not be monitored any further due to lack of appropriate laws, not due to lack of personnel.

Got it now?
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You're prejudging the results of any internal inquiry as to why people were monitored and then that monitoring stopped. The one guy from Quilliam who reported one of this weekend's jihadis even gave the anti terrorism video of trouble and comments being made by Khuram Butt. This on top of being videoed for the channel 4 "Jihadi next door" program.

Seriously, when a TV show can find jihadis (and then get them acting up for TV in front of black flags) and our security agencies let him be I think this is more to do with competence and possibly overstretched personnel than laws.

Chagos said:
~ As an aside, no amount of security personnel and no amount of authoritarianism can provide the 100 pct safety that everybody is trying to sell us. Not even Stalin or Hitler, close as they got, could reach that goal line.
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It's not seeking greater authoritarianism to ask why a TV show can find jihadis that our security people feel are not worth continued monitoring is it?
 
Infinite Chaos said:
You're prejudging the results of any internal inquiry as to why people were monitored and then that monitoring stopped. The one guy from Quilliam who reported one of this weekend's jihadis even gave the anti terrorism video of trouble and comments being made by Khuram Butt. This on top of being videoed for the channel 4 "Jihadi next door" program.

Seriously, when a TV show can find jihadis (and then get them acting up for TV in front of black flags) and our security agencies let him be I think this is more to do with competence and possibly overstretched personnel than laws.
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Yeah, my inserting an irony icon (better still a sarcasm icon) after my "deliberations" would probably have been helpful.;)
It's not seeking greater authoritarianism to ask why a TV show can find jihadis that our security people feel are not worth continued monitoring is it?
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Well, I'm not seeking it and by all I can see neither are you.

I actually have the same question and my whole post intended to outline what bull we're currently being sold by way of explanation, respectively future solution.

But the whole thing, once decoded, amounts to "I have no idea either but it's all the fault of that one over there".

Well, with the polls two days away I guess one can expect nothing else, but I'm sure glad I don't get to vote.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Did you see that one of the Saturday night attackers had been reported to police by another muslim?

There is zero reason to take our liberties away until May or whoever is in govt puts those police numbers back so there can be adequate cover when muslims do what we have been asking and reporting the monsters in their midst.
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I think that this is what belies May's statements. She can make all the new laws she wants, withdraw from all and every international treaty, court, tribunal and convention she wants, but if she continues to cut spending on policing, community services, youth services, social care services and mental health services nothing is going to improve.
 
Chagos said:
Yeah, my inserting an irony icon (better still a sarcasm icon) after my "deliberations" would probably have been helpful.;)Well, I'm not seeking it and by all I can see neither are you.

I actually have the same question and my whole post intended to outline what bull we're currently being sold by way of explanation, respectively future solution.

But the whole thing, once decoded, amounts to "I have no idea either but it's all the fault of that one over there".

Well, with the polls two days away I guess one can expect nothing else, but I'm sure glad I don't get to vote.
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Misunderstanding agreed. Now I'll slap you with a raw herring.

 
Infinite Chaos said:
Misunderstanding agreed. Now I'll slap you with a raw herring.

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As timeless as it is priceless, that one.

Meanwhile let me inform you that I fart in your general direction.:mrgreen:
 
No **** they need to change. Start with no longer allowing known individuals that have left the UK and engaged in jihadi combat (against UK troops in some instances) to then waltz back into your country.
 
Chagos said:
~ Meanwhile let me inform you that I fart in your general direction.:mrgreen:
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You are indeed brave sir knight, but the fight is mine. :monkeyarm
 
Theresa May's Incompetence Carries a High Price
Theodore Dalrymple, City Journal

Theresa May has proved an apt pupil of the David Cameron school of political incompetence. Lacking principle, she is not even good at being unprincipled: a Machiavellian, it turns out, minus the cunning.
It did not help that she had the charisma of a carrot and the sparkle of a spade. As she presented herself to the public, no one would have wanted her as a dinner guest, except under the deepest social obligation. Technically, she won the election, in the sense that she received more votes than anyone else, but few voted for her with enthusiasm rather than from fear of the alternative. Her disastrous campaign included repeated genuflections in the direction of social democracy. Even after her defeat, moral if not quite literal, she burbled about a society in which no one was left behind—never mind that it would entail a society in which no one would be out in front, that is to say, a society resting in the stagnant pool of its own mediocrity.
Unfortunately, egalitarianism is a little like Islam in that, just as a moderate Muslim can always be outflanked by someone more Islamic than he, so an egalitarian can usually be outflanked by someone more egalitarian than he: and in the contest between the Conservatives and the Labour Party, no one will ever believe that the Conservatives are more devoted to equality of outcome than the Labour Party. May therefore chose her battleground with a perfect eye for defeat. . . .
 
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