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Fears of 'another Rochdale' as police probe 200 cases of child exploitation

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Fears of 'another Rochdale' as police probe 200 cases of child exploitation in West Yorkshire town where girl, 13, was raped by gang who 'lined up' and took turns to attack her

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.da...2/amp/Fears-Rochdale-West-Yorkshire-town.html

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.mi...west-yorkshire-town-centre-child-10548639.amp

"Police in an area where a gang of Asian men were jailed for repeatedly raping a 13-year-old white girl are investigating 179 new sex crimes involving 165 suspects, it was revealed today."

And so it goes on......
 
gunner said:
Fears of 'another Rochdale' as police probe 200 cases of child exploitation in West Yorkshire town where girl, 13, was raped by gang who 'lined up' and took turns to attack her

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.da...2/amp/Fears-Rochdale-West-Yorkshire-town.html

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.mi...west-yorkshire-town-centre-child-10548639.amp

"Police in an area where a gang of Asian men were jailed for repeatedly raping a 13-year-old white girl are investigating 179 new sex crimes involving 165 suspects, it was revealed today."

And so it goes on......
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More of these cases will come to light as the police finally start to look at the crimes more seriously and investigate them properly.

This is however at the same time as we have seen cuts to police numbers.
 
I'm just pleased that previously ignored crimes are being investigated properly. It's a shame the IICSA has been such a disaster - it's almost as if it were set up to fail from the outset. But good on the West Yorkshire police. I hope they get the resources they need.
 
Andalublue said:
I'm just pleased that previously ignored crimes are being investigated properly. It's a shame the IICSA has been such a disaster - it's almost as if it were set up to fail from the outset. But good on the West Yorkshire police. I hope they get the resources they need.
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I think that's all we can be pleased about, to be honest. I wonder if anything is going on within the community to address these crimes? I know you take a different view, but we can't deny the demographics of the gang (s) make up.
 
gunner said:
Fears of 'another Rochdale' as police probe 200 cases of child exploitation in West Yorkshire town where girl, 13, was raped by gang who 'lined up' and took turns to attack her

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.da...2/amp/Fears-Rochdale-West-Yorkshire-town.html

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.mi...west-yorkshire-town-centre-child-10548639.amp

"Police in an area where a gang of Asian men were jailed for repeatedly raping a 13-year-old white girl are investigating 179 new sex crimes involving 165 suspects, it was revealed today."

And so it goes on......
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My goodness! And the British always seem so comme il faut. But these fellows seem to be new Brits that are widely despised, I guess. When I moved to Spittlesfield my British colleagues thought I was crazy.
It is certainly an interesting phenomenon. Excluding people from a society and despising them makes some of them seek income outside the law. Some even become terrorists down the hereditary line. We see that in most societies around the world, where minority populations are so excluded.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
More of these cases will come to light as the police finally start to look at the crimes more seriously and investigate them properly.

This is however at the same time as we have seen cuts to police numbers.
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It is a pity that it isn't Catholic priests doing this, but Asian men are pretty good too. Just didn't attract as much interest at the time. But hey. The police are working their way down to the second best stories now. And of course, the Asian men thing are of more interest now than 15 years ago, since dark skinned citizens were found to have practiced terror and made attacks.
 
Andalublue said:
I'm just pleased that previously ignored crimes are being investigated properly. It's a shame the IICSA has been such a disaster - it's almost as if it were set up to fail from the outset. But good on the West Yorkshire police. I hope they get the resources they need.
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We didn't ignore Catholic priests abusing kids. We had a fest with them 10 or 15 years ago.
 
joG said:
My goodness! And the British always seem so comme il faut. But these fellows seem to be new Brits that are widely despised, I guess. When I moved to Spittlesfield my British colleagues thought I was crazy.
It is certainly an interesting phenomenon. Excluding people from a society and despising them makes some of them seek income outside the law. Some even become terrorists down the hereditary line. We see that in most societies around the world, where minority populations are so excluded.
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Who are these excluded you keep banging on about?
 
gunner said:
Who are these excluded you keep banging on about?
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From what I have read, there are different groups of persons more or less excluded in most societies. In England exclusion is a little complex and stratified, using a good number of prejudices and rituals often well camouflaged or self inflicted. Of course, like in the US there are people that break through the glass ceilings.
 
joG said:
We didn't ignore Catholic priests abusing kids. We had a fest with them 10 or 15 years ago.
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Well, that abuse was ignored for long enough. I'm glad it isn't any more. Also, I don't recall that wave of abuse cases prompting people to ask what the Catholic community was doing to address it. The concern was focused almost entirely on the hierarchy of the RC church, not on the ordinary Catholics who were 'harbouring' the delinquent priests.
 
Andalublue said:
Well, that abuse was ignored for long enough. I'm glad it isn't any more. Also, I don't recall that wave of abuse cases prompting people to ask what the Catholic community was doing to address it. The concern was focused almost entirely on the hierarchy of the RC church, not on the ordinary Catholics who were 'harbouring' the delinquent priests.
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You don't remember? There are people still rageing about the clergy having concealed or ignored their own.
 
joG said:
You don't remember? There are people still rageing about the clergy having concealed or ignored their own.
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I wasn't talking about the clergy being called out for covering up; that was widespread and well documented. I was talking about the wider Catholic community, of ordinary Catholic members of the congregations in which the abuses took place.

People here and in the media are constantly telling us that ordinary Muslims/Pakistanis need to be speaking out, condemning and rooting out the perpetrators of the abuses we are discussing and that they are not doing so. I agree that they should be doing so, but that they are. Increasingly so.

My question was, why wasn't the rooting out of abuse by Catholic priests placed onto the wider Catholic community with the same vehemence?
 
Andalublue said:
I wasn't talking about the clergy being called out for covering up; that was widespread and well documented. I was talking about the wider Catholic community, of ordinary Catholic members of the congregations in which the abuses took place.

People here and in the media are constantly telling us that ordinary Muslims/Pakistanis need to be speaking out, condemning and rooting out the perpetrators of the abuses we are discussing and that they are not doing so. I agree that they should be doing so, but that they are. Increasingly so.

My question was, why wasn't the rooting out of abuse by Catholic priests placed onto the wider Catholic community with the same vehemence?
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Well, don't you think Catholic lay persons shouldn't have spoken out?
 
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joG said:
Well, don't you think Catholic lay persons shouldn't have spoken out?
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I do, just as I have said quite specifically that other people in whose communities abuse is taking place should do likewise. In some places it's happening too.
 
Andalublue said:
I do, just as I have said quite specifically that other people in whose communities abuse is taking place should do likewise. In some places it's happening too.
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So, shouldn't Muslims that know of terror speak our too?
 
joG said:
So, shouldn't Muslims that know of terror speak our too?
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Are you not reading my posts? I said this in Post#12:
People here and in the media are constantly telling us that ordinary Muslims/Pakistanis need to be speaking out, condemning and rooting out the perpetrators of the abuses we are discussing and that they are not doing so. I agree that they should be doing so, but that they are. Increasingly so.
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Andalublue said:
Well, that abuse was ignored for long enough. I'm glad it isn't any more. Also, I don't recall that wave of abuse cases prompting people to ask what the Catholic community was doing to address it. The concern was focused almost entirely on the hierarchy of the RC church, not on the ordinary Catholics who were 'harbouring' the delinquent priests.
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There's a good reason for why ordinary Catholics were not criticized for harboring delinquent priests. It's because they didn't do that. The problem was entirely with the Catholic hierarchy, which took upon themselves the responsibility for dealing with the misconduct of priests. And they flubbed the job, thinking that they could ignore secular law when they should have been turning the matter over to civil authorities. When parishioners begin to complain about a priest the heirarchy would just move him to a different parish. They believed in the power of redemption through Christ and failed to recognize how deeply evil these men were.

By the way, priests are no more likely to be pedophiles that other men are, but their evil was multiplied by the way the Church enabled them.
 
LowDown said:
There's a good reason for why ordinary Catholics were not criticized for harboring delinquent priests. It's because they didn't do that. The problem was entirely with the Catholic hierarchy, which took upon themselves the responsibility for dealing with the misconduct of priests.
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Are you saying no one outside of the clergy knew anything about the widespread abusive activities of certain priests? I think that that is an optimistic take on it at very best. Sure, the RC hierarchy knew and covered it up and protected the abusers and intimidated the victims. Was the issue entirely unknown to anyone outside of the church structures? No, they were not. There were people in the wider RC community who knew, who looked the other way, who facilitated the access of abusive priests to vulnerable children. There were people outside of the RC organisation who knew and did nothing, or who participated, or who had suspicions but chose not to investigate.

By the way, priests are no more likely to be pedophiles that other men are,
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I don't know whether that's true, but I'm open to seeing it proved.

but their evil was multiplied by the way the Church enabled them.
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No question.
 
Andalublue said:
Are you saying no one outside of the clergy knew anything about the widespread abusive activities of certain priests? I think that that is an optimistic take on it at very best. Sure, the RC hierarchy knew and covered it up and protected the abusers and intimidated the victims. Was the issue entirely unknown to anyone outside of the church structures? No, they were not. There were people in the wider RC community who knew, who looked the other way, who facilitated the access of abusive priests to vulnerable children. There were people outside of the RC organisation who knew and did nothing, or who participated, or who had suspicions but chose not to investigate.
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By instruction and tradition parishioners turned these matters over to the Church's leadership.

I don't know whether that's true, but I'm open to seeing it proved.
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Insurance companies, child advocacy groups and religion scholars say there is no evidence that Catholic clergy are more likely to be involved in sexual misconduct than other clergy or professionals.
 
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