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The Guardian: EU to Bypass Trump Administration

Mycroft said:
If they can cut emissions, keep their paying customers and turn a profit...cool..
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And what if they cant? Which is more than likely.

Given the usage of coal to generate electricity since more than a century, its cost per unit of electricity is very low. Changing to other more modern electricity-generating systems will lessen production unit-costs but the costs of the transformation will have to accounted for over a long period of time. (Which is why most will want to remain with coal. If one can keep it, why change?)

So nothing really changes, since there is no commitment to change. Which is precisely what the Replicants want.

After all why change a market-economy dysfunction when it generates so much Wealth after ludicrously-low Upper-income Taxation of ginormous Corporate Salaries ... ?
 
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Lafayette said:
And what if they cant? Which is more than likely.

Given the usage of coal to generate electricity since more than a century, its cost per unit of electricity is very low. Changing to other more modern electricity-generating systems will lessen production unit-costs but the costs of the transformation will have to accounted for over a long period of time. (Which is why most will want to remain with coal. If one can keep it, why change?)

So nothing really changes, since there is no commitment to change. Which is precisely what the Replicants want.

After all why change a market-economy dysfunction when it generates so much Wealth after ludicrously-low Upper-income Taxation of ginormous Corporate Salaries ... ?
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Not to mention keeping prices down for the customer...but hey...businesses would rather flip off their customers if it means they can be environmental suckers. That's sure (not) goint to keep their paying customers. And if they can't keep their paying customers, they don't have an income...and they don't have a profit...and they don't have employees...and...well, let's just say smart businesses won't go that route.
 
Lafayette said:
And what if they cant? Which is more than likely.

Given the usage of coal to generate electricity since more than a century, its cost per unit of electricity is very low. Changing to other more modern electricity-generating systems will lessen production unit-costs but the costs of the transformation will have to accounted for over a long period of time. (Which is why most will want to remain with coal. If one can keep it, why change?)

So nothing really changes, since there is no commitment to change. Which is precisely what the Replicants want.

After all why change a market-economy dysfunction when it generates so much Wealth after ludicrously-low Upper-income Taxation of ginormous Corporate Salaries ... ?
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Oh Please! Stop trying to pass off lies as fact. Republicans are just excited about new technologies, and green energy as any liberal. They just support a transition period that will less likely hurt the economy.

The democrats want to tax and penalize because that's what they do.

Oh, and another thing, I have noticed that your responses become more bitter as your argument runs out.
 
EU to Bypass Trump

From the Guardian (2 June): EU to bypass Trump administration after Paris climate agreement pullout

The European Union has rejected Donald Trump’s offer to renegotiate the Paris climate agreement and pledged instead to bypass Washington to work with US business leaders and state governors to implement the historic accord’s commitments

Less than 24 hours after the US president announced his decision to withdraw from the 2015 agreement and strike a new, less ambitious deal with the rest of the world, Brussels declared its outright refusal to engage in such talks.

EU officials will instead cut out the White House to deal directly with the US states and major corporations, many of whom have already pledged to live by the terms forged in Paris.

In Britain, Theresa May faced criticism for not signing up to a joint declaration by Germany, France and Italy in opposition to the US move. A Downing Street source defended the prime minister, pointing out that other countries including Japan and Canada had not signed up to the letter either.

In 2015, nearly 200 countries agreed in Paris to curb greenhouse gas emissions in order to prevent the runaway climate change that would occur should temperatures spiral 2C or more above the pre-industrial era.

In a worst case scenario, the US withdrawal could add 0.3C to global temperatures by the end of the century, the UN World Meteorological Organisation said.

Donald Tusk, the president of the European council, described Trump’s withdrawal from the Paris pact as a big mistake, but said the fight against climate change would continue with or without the US.

“Strong transatlantic ties are far more important and far more durable than the latest unfortunate decisions of the new administration,” Tusk said
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'Nuff said as regards Trump's nonsense? The Paris Agreement continues without the US Federal Government but with any state/company that wants to participate ...
 
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Lafayette said:
From the Guardian (2 June): EU to bypass Trump administration after Paris climate agreement pullout




'Nuff said as regards Trump's nonsense? The Paris Agreement continues without the US ...
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As I've posted elsewhere on DP, why do some get 'all out of whack' about the CBO's scoring that, among other things, says approximately 23 million Americans would be uninsured with the GOP's version of healthcare? This is just the federal government pushing some of the responsibilty to provide healthcare to other municipalities. As the Paris Accord can continue without the US, so too can ObamaCare continue without the federal government to some degree. Municipalities will just have to shoulder more of the load.
 
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That fine. Now we won't be sending X billions of dollars to a UN kleptocracy.

If the agreement was any good King Obama would for have run it through the Senste where they would have responded with a WTF? The UN's cronies get fat at America's expense, while our energy prices get much more expensive.

It was not a treaty, but an agreement cooked up by Obama that was not a treaty or a law.
 
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Guys it just hit me that when Trump started, during the campaign, having Mexico both hate us and view us with complete contempt and then after only a few months in office he had move on to having the whole world look upon us with the same contempt.

It not any leader that could removed the respected of the world that had been build up over seventy years toward the US, in just over a hundred days.
 
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cabse5 said:
As I've posted elsewhere on DP, why do some get 'all out of whack' about the CBO's scoring that, among other things, says approximately 23 million Americans would be uninsured with the GOP's version of healthcare? This is just the federal government pushing some of the responsibilty to provide healthcare to other municipalities. As the Paris Accord can continue without the US, so too can ObamaCare continue without the federal government to some degree. Municipalities will just have to shoulder more of the load.
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Not a chance in hell. State governments cannot take on debt in the way the fed routinely does, nor do politicians in many states have any interest in doing what's best for its citizens, as was made clear with the medicaid expansion. And those that are willing to find solutions are only interested in single payer
 
WCH said:
Like California and their over-bearing regulations?
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Just shows that the states will make their own decisions, California may have overbearing regulation but isn't it still almost the 4th / 5th biggest economy in the world if it went on it's own?

Mycroft said:
The converse applies, as well.

German auto makers might like to sell cars in the US...where the regulations concerning environmental issues are not so bad, but those auto makers might be constrained by their own EU regulations...which will put them at a disadvantage to American auto makers. They will end up charging more for cars compared to prices for American cars. Furthermore, when they compete against American auto makers in non-EU/American markets the American cars can undercut their prices there.

I see a conflict brewing between the German auto makers and the EU in the very near future.
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See above. Those regulations may go down perfectly in enlightened US states.

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And those who want to make it difficult for us may find we buy less from them. Besides, if the deals are bad for us already and we are mainly only buying...they need us more than we need them.
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True, conversely manufacturers may just choose to produce specific products for specific states where standards are looser / less demanding. Supply / demand rules I guess.
 
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Lafayette said:
And good-riddance to you eventually ...
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Oh, no worries... I won't go away forever.

I mean it was pure enjoyment, close to on the road to inner nirvana to watch the laughter at even the thought of da Man running for president then visibly melt to tears and consternation when it was realized he was going to win.

Then he actually won. Indescribably delicious

Now?

Paris Accords, wow, schweeeeeet.

Repeal of the unAffordable Healthcare Act, it's a coming. Tax reform... unplugged Weiner plugged, a Comey trapped by his own too clever by half painting himself into capitulation or prison corner, Huma no doubt next then Rice, then Brennan, then Valerie then Hillary then Bill then Bery Insane hisself hahaha... yeah, I will be around for all that

AND

... the WALL of course, love rubbing it in when better defeats much worse.

Much more boring the banal attempts made by some to incessantly. perform the almost Olympic worthy acrobatic somersaults with twists to try and persuade rational adults to believe their necronantic ride on rainbow hued social 'democratic' unicorn on its way to a forced utopia.

I should think Marx, Engles, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin and Mao would be be understandably proud. Yet lets not in haste leave out ol Fidel or Hugo, that would be impolite



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Lafayette said:
From the Guardian (2 June): EU to bypass Trump administration after Paris climate agreement pullout

'Nuff said as regards Trump's nonsense? The Paris Agreement continues without the US Federal Government but with any state/company that wants to participate ...
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You (and some of our foolish State representatives) fail to realize that only the Federal Government has the power and authority to enter into treaty agreements with foreign powers.

People also seem to ignore the fact this accord is not really binding on any nation who signed it, as there is no enforcement power.

Meanwhile, States claiming that they are going to "accept the accords" on their own may be good P.R., but the fact remains there was never anything that prevents any State, or our Nation from acting on it's own on conservation efforts.

Leaving the Accord only means we don't have to foot the bill for all those silly funding efforts Obama agreed the U.S.A would accept to "aid" other nations in their (non)efforts.



This doesn't even touch on the economic effects in the U.S. due to commitments to reduce emissions, etc., and the annual requirements to re-assess signatory obligations.
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
Just shows that the states will make their own decisions, California may have overbearing regulation but isn't it still almost the 4th / 5th biggest economy in the world if it went on it's own?



See above. Those regulations may go down perfectly in enlightened US states.



True, conversely manufacturers may just choose to produce specific products for specific states where standards are looser / less demanding. Supply / demand rules I guess.
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Yeah, why not?

Love when the left, hell when everybody, is for States rights... real power to the people, clenched fist raised in solidarity with other independent states... as sovereign as they were originally intended... next wecan revert to state legislators choosing their. senators

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Lafayette said:
From the Guardian (2 June): EU to bypass Trump administration after Paris climate agreement pullout - excerpt:
What next in the way of infamy from Donald Dork?

American coal-miners are jumping for joy. All 76,572 of them! The Donald is solidly behind carbon-molecule pollution of the atmosphere.

Yes! Go Donald !!!!!
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Why the excitement? The USA has been reducing emissions quite nicely as prices have come down, while Germany's went up of late as their overzealous rush into inefficient technologies comes home to roost. But I figure the Eu elite is desperate and willing to start low level aggressions against the USA in a vain hope of persuading European populations of their value.
 
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joG said:
It is weird how self destructive the Europeans are. They are acting like spoiled brats.
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They are acting like spoiled brats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Captain Adverse said:
You (and some of our foolish State representatives) fail to realize that only the Federal Government has the power and authority to enter into treaty agreements with foreign powers.

People also seem to ignore the fact this accord is not really binding on any nation who signed it, as there is no enforcement power.

Meanwhile, States claiming that they are going to "accept the accords" on their own may be good P.R., but the fact remains there was never anything that prevents any State, or our Nation from acting on it's own on conservation efforts.

Leaving the Accord only means we don't have to foot the bill for all those silly funding efforts Obama agreed the U.S.A would accept to "aid" other nations in their (non)efforts.



This doesn't even touch on the economic effects in the U.S. due to commitments to reduce emissions, etc., and the annual requirements to re-assess signatory obligations.
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That sounds about right.
 
joG said:
But I figure the Eu elite is desperate and willing to start low level aggressions against the USA in a vain hope of persuading European populations of their value.
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You figure wrong with the above miserable nonsense.

The Paris Agreement was signed by 175 countries, only 44 of which are European.
 
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joG said:
It is weird how self destructive the Europeans are. They are acting like spoiled brats.
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Takes one to know one ...
 
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Yes, I was having an Internet connection problem and I erroneously reposted the thread.

My apologies ...
 
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BillRM said:
Guys it just hit me that when Trump started, during the campaign, having Mexico both hate us and view us with complete contempt and then after only a few months in office he had move on to having the whole world look upon us with the same contempt.

It not any leader that could removed the respected of the world that had been build up over seventy years toward the US, in just over a hundred days.
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The rest of the world has always held us in contempt. Haters gonna hate. Where have you been?
 
Lafayette said:
You figure wrong with the above miserable nonsense.

The Paris Agreement was signed by 175 countries, only 44 of which are European.
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Why would you believe it be "miserable nonsense", when the German media are full it and had been building the story book for monthes?
 
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