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Germans are bad

german hick

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'The Germans are bad, really bad,' Donald Trump tells EU officials

pfff

I have nearly no position in common with this ... president. But this is the top of hypocrisy.
Since the war our american allies tell us about competition, free trade, neo liberalism and such stuff. I am no friend of this, but whining about others doing this game better is simply childish.
America first. So the cars sold to the world should be american cars.
If they wanna sell cars, they should build ones that the world, including their own people, wanna buy.

Donald Trump really behaves like a 4 year old kindergarden kid in my eyes.

btw: not denying the climate change but promoting new clean technology would help the american Industry much more for their future than building on coal and dirty industry. Such stuff wount be sold good in the future...

the evil German
 
german hick said:
'The Germans are bad, really bad,' Donald Trump tells EU officials

pfff

I have nearly no position in common with this ... president. But this is the top of hypocrisy.
Since the war our american allies tell us about competition, free trade, neo liberalism and such stuff. I am no friend of this, but whining about others doing this game better is simply childish.
America first. So the cars sold to the world should be american cars.
If they wanna sell cars, they should build ones that the world, including their own people, wanna buy.

Donald Trump really behaves like a 4 year old kindergarden kid in my eyes.

btw: not denying the climate change but promoting new clean technology would help the american Industry much more for their future than building on coal and dirty industry. Such stuff wount be sold good in the future...

the evil German
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shrug...

You can whine...you can cry...you can spout off...

Unfortunately for German...in respect to their cars, anyway...the game is going to change. I guess we'll see just how good y'all are at playing.

btw, watch out for those terrorists you have living amongst you. Keep your eyes open and stay safe.
 
Mycroft said:
shrug...

You can whine...you can cry...you can spout off...

Unfortunately for German...in respect to their cars, anyway...the game is going to change. I guess we'll see just how good y'all are at playing.

btw, watch out for those terrorists you have living amongst you. Keep your eyes open and stay safe.
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So what's going to be the US policy on American BMW and Mercedes plants building cars for export or even Fiat owned companies?

State ownership?

german hick said:
~ the evil German
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You will have heard Merkel's speech after the summit. What's your view on this report?

Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit - BBC News
 
As I said, I´m no friend of this policy. If someone as Germany has this big exports, another one has to import that stuff. Especially to 3. world countries that is extremely unfair. But accuse somebody you told once to play this game, only because you wanna do it yourself is the point that upsets me.

as for terrorists wich are not topic here: a problem that has to be solved, but:

death caused by terror: ~10 pa
death caused by car accident: ~5000 pa
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
So what's going to be the US policy on American BMW and Mercedes plants building cars for export or even Fiat owned
You will have heard Merkel's speech after the summit. What's your view on this report?

Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit - BBC News
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Yeas I did. pooh, not easy for me to answer. I´m no Merkel fan either - my favorite here is Hofreiter ;) - I think she felt driven in the corner and made a verbal breakthrough. I think she overreacted - instead she should say such things directly to the audiance wich is adressed and not theatrically to the public for more votes in September...
 
Infinite Chaos said:
So what's going to be the US policy on American BMW and Mercedes plants building cars for export or even Fiat owned companies?

State ownership?
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State ownership? Don't be ridiculous. That's something the left is more inclined to do.

I don't know what the policy will be. Whatever it is, I'm confident it will benefit the US.

You will have heard Merkel's speech after the summit. What's your view on this report?

Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit - BBC News
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My view?

Angela...quit your whining. You can't play the victim anymore. You made your bed...Uncle Sugar Daddy won't be bailing you out anymore. Oh...and Angela...tell Macron to grow up and stop acting like a child.[SUB][/SUB]
 
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german hick said:
As I said, I´m no friend of this policy. If someone as Germany has this big exports, another one has to import that stuff. Especially to 3. world countries that is extremely unfair. But accuse somebody you told once to play this game, only because you wanna do it yourself is the point that upsets me.

as for terrorists wich are not topic here: a problem that has to be solved, but:

death caused by terror: ~10 pa
death caused by car accident: ~5000 pa
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I'm not sure I understand you. Are you saying you are upset because we once played your game...but are now NOT going to play your game?

If that is so, sorry...but that's how it goes when we get a new President. Obama changed the game...world-wide, now Trump is changing the game...world-wide.

The world will deal with it to their advantage...or not. Their choice.
 
Mycroft said:
I'm not sure I understand you. Are you saying you are upset because we once played your game...but are now NOT going to play your game?
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sorry for my bad English - I tried to say: US once told Germany to play that game and now Trump is whining that Germany plays it better than US (read the article)
 
No official record exists of the supposed 'Germans are bad' speech. I suspect that you have Fake News in Deutschland too. :)
 
german hick said:
sorry for my bad English - I tried to say: US once told Germany to play that game and now Trump is whining that Germany plays it better than US (read the article)
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Wait...the US "told" Germany to play that game? Hmmm...okay, if you say so.

At any rate, I wouldn't characterize Trump's words as "whining". More as "warning". There is a new game-player on the scene.
 
truthatallcost said:
No official record exists of the supposed 'Germans are bad' speech. I suspect that you have Fake News in Deutschland too. :)
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Comments confirmed by Trump advisor, Gary Cohn. He was probably referring to German trade practices, rather than Germans in general, but that's not how it came out of his mouth. Here's where it was reported in the right-wing UK press.
 
Apart from he whole thing being hung rather higher than deserved, there's also a translation issue that can be seen in many German media.

"bad" may translate as "böse" which would be approaching "evil" and many have translated the remark as that. Others have translated it as "schlecht" which would in this context mean "not good" as in "unfavourable". As such a car that won't start would have an ignition that's "schlecht".

There's no doubt that he said "bad" but getting off the hype over this would do everybody some good.
 
Andalublue said:
Comments confirmed by Trump advisor, Gary Cohn. He was probably referring to German trade practices, rather than Germans in general, but that's not how it came out of his mouth. Here's where it was reported in the right-wing UK press.
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It's reported lots of places, but does any audio or video tape exist of it?
 
german hick said:
'The Germans are bad, really bad,' Donald Trump tells EU officials

pfff

I have nearly no position in common with this ... president. But this is the top of hypocrisy.
Since the war our american allies tell us about competition, free trade, neo liberalism and such stuff. I am no friend of this, but whining about others doing this game better is simply childish.
America first. So the cars sold to the world should be american cars.
If they wanna sell cars, they should build ones that the world, including their own people, wanna buy.

Donald Trump really behaves like a 4 year old kindergarden kid in my eyes.

btw: not denying the climate change but promoting new clean technology would help the american Industry much more for their future than building on coal and dirty industry. Such stuff wount be sold good in the future...

the evil German
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Actually, in discussion about Germany and Nato this morning on Deutschlandfunk none of the experts disagreed with the thesis that Germany had been neglecting its obligations under Nato nor that the accumulated shortfall was severe and would be difficult to fix under the two percent of GDP arrangement. Most also agreed with me that Germany would/should probably have to spend more because the spending of poorer members could not fairly be the same as that of a rich country.

There can be no doubt that Trump was somewhat heavy handed. He was rude and the words he chose were simplistic. Not committing to defend Nato partners that honored their pledges was stupid. He is not a politician and judging his communications as though he were is stupid or in bad will. But in the substance he was quite right here as well as regarding the climate and trade. Germany has been a free rider and does not play by the book in trade nor does it in trade. It has also not been a very reliable ally to the point of doing inordinate harm to the US on occasion for domestic reasons.
 
As to the issue itself (German trade surplus), Trump will at some time no longer get around learning that attempting to single out one EU country for any counter measures is going to flunk before even started.

In the process he might even have the EU explained to him.

Beyond all of which this whole trip was primarily conceived for the gallery (his) back home and will have little influence how trade relations work out when reality bites.
 
german hick said:
'The Germans are bad, really bad,' Donald Trump tells EU officials

pfff

I have nearly no position in common with this ... president. But this is the top of hypocrisy.
Since the war our american allies tell us about competition, free trade, neo liberalism and such stuff. I am no friend of this, but whining about others doing this game better is simply childish.
America first. So the cars sold to the world should be american cars.
If they wanna sell cars, they should build ones that the world, including their own people, wanna buy.

Donald Trump really behaves like a 4 year old kindergarden kid in my eyes.

btw: not denying the climate change but promoting new clean technology would help the american Industry much more for their future than building on coal and dirty industry. Such stuff wount be sold good in the future...

the evil German
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I'm old enough to remember when any cars made overseas were considered inferior by most Americans. One hardly ever saw a car made outside of the United States. Then our car manufactures went through a period where they were building cars designed to fail after so many years so they could sell you a new one. Cars from overseas had their opportunity and took advantage of that. Losing half of the U.S. market to overseas car manufactures was our own manufactures own fault.

Trump does act and at times talk like a five year old who is throwing a temper tantrum. He doesn't think about what he says, he just spouts off with whatever comes into his mind. A lot of us knew whomever won last November would be bad for this country. We expected bad. Perhaps because of that bad expectations and have gotten use to Trump spouting off his nonsense, we tend to ignore him today. Just thankful that so far he hasn't been really, really bad, just bad. We have had since July of 2015 to get use to him saying nonsensical things. A lot of us just shrug, thinking so what. With Trumps foot in mouth disease, it could have been much worst.
 
Andalublue said:
Comments confirmed by Trump advisor, Gary Cohn. He was probably referring to German trade practices, rather than Germans in general, but that's not how it came out of his mouth. Here's where it was reported in the right-wing UK press.
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TRANSALATION: Trump is too stupid to articulate his thoughts into speech :2wave:
 
joG said:
Actually, in discussion about Germany and Nato this morning on Deutschlandfunk none of the experts disagreed with the thesis that Germany had been neglecting its obligations under Nato nor that the accumulated shortfall was severe and would be difficult to fix under the two percent of GDP arrangement. Most also agreed with me that Germany would/should probably have to spend more because the spending of poorer members could not fairly be the same as that of a rich country.

There can be no doubt that Trump was somewhat heavy handed. He was rude and the words he chose were simplistic. Not committing to defend Nato partners that honored their pledges was stupid. He is not a politician and judging his communications as though he were is stupid or in bad will. But in the substance he was quite right here as well as regarding the climate and trade. Germany has been a free rider and does not play by the book in trade nor does it in trade. It has also not been a very reliable ally to the point of doing inordinate harm to the US on occasion for domestic reasons.
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That is exactly the leader a country that can destroy the planet in less than one hour needs for a leader
 
The NATO thing will remain ridiculous in its current interpretation as long as reports hang onto the 2 pct of GDP issue like it was some sacred cow. That will cause the ultimate Western downfall if not suitably worshipped.

Seeing how agreement was reached for all NATO partners to reach the (at least) 2 pct hurdle by 2024, that would, just to exemplify, require Luxembourg to treble its spendings. To do what, expand its armed forces from currently1.100 soldiers to 3.300?

And, another example, were Germany (as the ultimate black beast today) to hit that hurdle overnight, she would be spending more on the military than Russia currently does on hers.

Further: the UK, just at the 2 pct, spends less on defence than France does (2.3 pct).

And where Germany still pays around 75 pct for defense of what France pays (and 85 pct of what the UK pays), one need remember that it doesn't afford itself a nuclear strike force like those two.

Nevertheless, upon its lagging there can be no doubt, the question however still remains what the envisaged additional money is supposed to be spent on. That any project like the Iraq war remains out of the question completely, goes without saying, that another adventure like Absurdistan is unlikely to find repetition, equally so.

Of course the acquisition of a helicopter fleet that actually flies might be an improvement. As might be the acquisition of transport planes with enough range and capacity to fly forces around the world. But to what purpose and then to where?

I wouldn't count on most NATO members getting overly enthusiastic over striking N. Korea for instance.
 
Chagos said:
As to the issue itself (German trade surplus), Trump will at some time no longer get around learning that attempting to single out one EU country for any counter measures is going to flunk before even started.

In the process he might even have the EU explained to him.

Beyond all of which this whole trip was primarily conceived for the gallery (his) back home and will have little influence how trade relations work out when reality bites.
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You are correct that Trump aims to do away with group trade agreements in favor of bilateral agreements with individual countries. All of his trade actions to date have that in common. Your contention that this tactic is going to flunk, I think, is incorrect...or, at least, unknown at this time. We'll have to wait and see just how well his tactic works...or not.

But one thing we know is that these group trade agreements don't do much good for the US. They DO help international global investors. Those guys are making money hand over fist and they are getting the power that goes along with that money. The people of the US aren't getting anything at all.

Trump's overriding desire is to help the American economy and the American people. He believes one-on-one trade agreements work better to that end. I'm not so sure, but I'm willing to let him try. Lord knows that globalist way hasn't done any good over the last couple decades.

However, one thing Trump DOESN'T need is for anyone in the EU to "explain" anything to him.
 
Mycroft said:
But one thing we know is that these group trade agreements don't do much good for the US. They DO help international global investors. Those guys are making money hand over fist and they are getting the power that goes along with that money. The people of the US aren't getting anything at all.
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..and the people of Europe not either - here we are on the same side. I was with the hundreds of thousands demonstrating in Berlin against TTIP and there were some US guys too. But I don´t believe in Trump doing better, because his entire former life he did exactly this: trying to put Money in his pockets like all the big Players do.

So, I´m completely with you there but it´s not only German cars, ist companies like Amazon, too - who try to pay 0 cent taxes here and mostly get through with this.
 
Mycroft said:
However, one thing Trump DOESN'T need is for anyone in the EU to "explain" anything to him.
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because all this EU scum cannot see his intelligence and "Übermenschentum" - funny how often I as a German hear accusations here by American Posters of racissm and arrogance (this is comfortable - you don´t need to meet the arguments) and in the same time beeing arrogant and nationalistic as hell (this is comfortable - you don´t need to meet the arguments)...

And I think by my self "how low the intelligence budget of a person might be - saying "America first" every time fitting or not and thinking all the Euros, Asians, Afrikans, Aussies and south Americans will agree... "yeah, this man is right - Americans are the superiors and deserve that"
 
Mycroft said:
You are correct that Trump aims to do away with group trade agreements in favor of bilateral agreements with individual countries. All of his trade actions to date have that in common. Your contention that this tactic is going to flunk, I think, is incorrect...or, at least, unknown at this time. We'll have to wait and see just how well his tactic works...or not..............~
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just edited to address this point alone (not to dismiss the rest)

Individual EU countries cannot work outside the EU group. It's either a deal with the EU as a whole or no deal.
 
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