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Germans are bad

Chagos said:
60 million people market compared to roughly 500 million EU?

Sounds like you need some advice on the EU as well.;)
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Worse than that...

UK in the EU:

EU 550 million vs US 330 million
EU 550 million vs China 1.3 billion
EU 550 million vs India 1.3 billion
EU 550 million vs Brazil 210 million
EU 550 million vs Russia 143 million
EU 550 million vs Japan 126 million.

Now lets see how the UK compares when it is not in the EU

UK 66 million vs US 330 million
UK 66 million vs China 1.3 billion
UK 66 million vs India 1.3 billion
UK 66 million vs Brazil 210 million
UK 66 million vs Russia 143 million
UK 66 million vs Japan 126 million.

oh and UK 66 million vs EU 490 million....

You think a country like Brazil could give a rats ass about a small nation like the UK in trade? What can the UK provide that Brazil cant get elsewhere and that could open doors to bigger markets?

No, being small on the world market is a badddddd thing.
 
PeteEU said:
Actually they can.. if the EU as a group agrees to it :)
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Bah, pedantry. See below:lol::
For example, India, most trade is bilateral not an EU thing. The tricky part with these deals is however, that the deals can not put another EU member at a disadvantage. So most of the trade is basically under WTO rules... which is why the British view of them getting a better deal if they were outside the EU is... idiotic. The first the Indians will want is free movement of peoples... yea like that is going to happen. Oh it also depends on the product.. for example food products are an EU deal, where as cars as far as I know is not. Weapons are certainly not...

The whole point of the EU is that a big economic block and that we stick together. That way we dont get bullied by the US, China.. hell even India in the near future.

This is also why Donald wants to get rid of trade deals, and go bilateral, because he will be the big bully in any trade negotiations between the US and say UK, France or Spain, not to mention small countries like Denmark, Sweden, Portugal and so on. It is what bullies do.. single out targets, but as everyone knows, if people stand up to bullies then they tend to back down.
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Mycroft said:
You are correct that Trump aims to do away with group trade agreements in favor of bilateral agreements with individual countries. All of his trade actions to date have that in common. Your contention that this tactic is going to flunk, I think, is incorrect...or, at least, unknown at this time. We'll have to wait and see just how well his tactic works...or not.
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However, one thing Trump DOESN'T need is for anyone in the EU to "explain" anything to him.
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Just going by what you think he can do if he wishes to pursue individual trade agreements with an individual country within the EU is interesting. How do you think he can do this if the other EU countries say no?

You think they'll follow Brexit just to get a trade deal with the US? :lamo

Mycroft said:
~ Britain, on the other hand, is in a very good position.
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You just watch what happens when we finally exit the EU. For now, the pound has fallen sharply, foreign investors are buying up as much property as possible and people's earnings are devalued against foreign imports and goods.
 
PeteEU said:
Trump has experience with the EU? How so? I know he claims he has, but does he?

He has tried to set up golf courses in Europe... not an EU thing. It is local mostly but at worst national. The reason he had such a tough time in Scotland is not because of the EU, but because of the Scots.

He has tried to build hotels I believe.. again nothing to do with the EU. National and local laws.

So what experience does he actually have? Care to point it out?
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He's listening to Wilbur Ross and Pete Navarro

Good luck.
 
german hick said:
'The Germans are bad, really bad,' Donald Trump tells EU officials

pfff

I have nearly no position in common with this ... president. But this is the top of hypocrisy.
Since the war our american allies tell us about competition, free trade, neo liberalism and such stuff. I am no friend of this, but whining about others doing this game better is simply childish.
America first. So the cars sold to the world should be american cars.
If they wanna sell cars, they should build ones that the world, including their own people, wanna buy.

Donald Trump really behaves like a 4 year old kindergarden kid in my eyes.

btw: not denying the climate change but promoting new clean technology would help the american Industry much more for their future than building on coal and dirty industry. Such stuff wount be sold good in the future...

the evil German
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The problem is that when the President is quoted, too often only a part of his statement or thought or context is put on the front pages. White House Advisor Cohn, whose father is from Germany, has clarified the statement that the President said Germany is 'very bad on trade' and yes, that will be corrected.

Again Trump critics/haters tend to take everything he says absolutely literally and if they have to dishonestly proof text a bit to make him look terrible, they seem to have no ethics about that.

Those who are wanting the President to succeed and who support his overall agenda are far more likely to take his words figuratively and as he intended them instead of making them into something he didn't intend.

So the world and EU should nod approvingly when Merkel says that they can't count on the USA and the U.K. and will need to look to their own interests. That isn't a negative. That is a good thing.
 
Trump has reportedly said that his view of the EU is coloured by his problems building golf courses. During his visit, several leaders have said his worldview is entirely venal. Everything boils down to price. Followers who massage his actual words do everyone a disservice.
Britain, at the very point where solidarity is needed against the bully, is turning her back and holding Trump's hand.
Perfidious Albion indeed.
 
You mean the German cars that are made in America? I think this just proves how incredibly stupid Trump is.
 
AlbqOwl said:
The problem is that when the President is quoted, too often only a part of his statement or thought or context is put on the front pages. White House Advisor Cohn, whose father is from Germany, has clarified the statement that the President said Germany is 'very bad on trade' and yes, that will be corrected.

Again Trump critics/haters tend to take everything he says absolutely literally and if they have to dishonestly proof text a bit to make him look terrible, they seem to have no ethics about that.

Those who are wanting the President to succeed and who support his overall agenda are far more likely to take his words figuratively and as he intended them instead of making them into something he didn't intend.

So the world and EU should nod approvingly when Merkel says that they can't count on the USA and the U.K. and will need to look to their own interests. That isn't a negative. That is a good thing.
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The president is an idiot. The problem is that his many of his supporters are too.
 
german hick said:
sorry for my bad English - I tried to say: US once told Germany to play that game and now Trump is whining that Germany plays it better than US (read the article)
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Nope. The usa has been tellung germany that the export driven model is for developing countries and that Germany is no longer in that category.
 
calamity said:
The president is an idiot. The problem is that his many of his supporters are too.
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Thank you. Be assured that I will give your opinion of the President and his supporters the attention it deserves.
 
Carjosse said:
You mean the German cars that are made in America? I think this just proves how incredibly stupid Trump is.
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Just look at the german numbers and you will see it is onky bigger than cars.

Now, my belief is that the US should do more to improve effuciency and competitiveness. But the continuous structural surplus is not acceptable. How to force that country to change is another matter. There is no one nin tariffs bartier/subsidy that can be targeted alone. It is a whole culture of export orientation. The EU has the same problem with them only worse.
 
Mycroft said:
Wait...the US "told" Germany to play that game? Hmmm...okay, if you say so.

At any rate, I wouldn't characterize Trump's words as "whining". More as "warning". There is a new game-player on the scene.
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A bungling incompetent game player.
Trump might accomplish the near-impossible- he might make the US ignored internationally.
 
Chagos said:
As to the issue itself (German trade surplus), Trump will at some time no longer get around learning that attempting to single out one EU country for any counter measures is going to flunk before even started.

In the process he might even have the EU explained to him.

Beyond all of which this whole trip was primarily conceived for the gallery (his) back home and will have little influence how trade relations work out when reality bites.
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So true. If Trump even attempts a trade war their will be hell to pay here in the U.S. from exporting corporations. I remember last summer the Mustang was the best selling sports car in Germany. His talk was to pay back Putin which ironically delights his base too.
 
german hick said:
Dude, I´m two meters high, wear an evil beard and I´m German. I never cry! ;oP

Funny how the things are turned around. Trump whines about German cars and if I try to say how ridicoulous this is - I am whining. Kindergardenstyle again....
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Whining isn't crying.

But yeah...I can see that the language and culture differences we have can cause us to place different meanings on words. I think the best solution is that we end our discussion lest we end up inadvertently insulting one another.

Tschuss
 
Grand Mal said:
A bungling incompetent game player.
Trump might accomplish the near-impossible- he might make the US ignored internationally.
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In less than 6 months, he's destroyed a 70 year alliance. Pretty amazing, when you think about it.
 
Chagos said:
Each country going on its own all the way down to small (relative), is worse. That's the whole idea of the EU. I'm not worried. There will be deals and they'll be US-EU. 60 million people market compared to roughly 500 million EU?

Sounds like you need some advice on the EU as well.;)
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Yes...that's the whole idea of the EU, but it has not been beneficial to the US. Certainly, there will be deals. But the EU will be required to make changes that are more beneficial to the US...or the deals won't be as good for the EU. The EU also needs the US market. Maybe more than we need them if things work out better between us and the Chinese.
 
DaveFagan said:
So goes Germany, so goes the EU. The US financial hegemon needs the ECB, ergo Trump should chose his words more carefully. The Chinese One Belt, One Road plan gets a boost as Trump drives the EU towards the East. That would be abject stupidity by the Trumpinator. Perhaps Germany decides to ally with Russia since Great Britain and the USA seem indifferent. Risky Bidness if you're Texan.
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LOL!!

It's even riskier business if Germany allies with Russia. Somehow, I think Germany would tolerate being a junior partner with Trump more than they would with Putin.
 
Mycroft said:
State ownership? Don't be ridiculous. That's something the left is more inclined to do.

I don't know what the policy will be. Whatever it is, I'm confident it will benefit the US.



My view?

Angela...quit your whining. You can't play the victim anymore. You made your bed...Uncle Sugar Daddy won't be bailing you out anymore. Oh...and Angela...tell Macron to grow up and stop acting like a child.[SUB][/SUB]
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:lamo You do know that you perfectly paraphrased Nancy Pelosi's "We'll have to pass it to find out what's in it." Obamacare statement, right? :lamo

And you claim to want verified named sources for news, yet anything Trump may or may not do gets absolute blind faith. *smh*
 
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radcen said:
:lamo You do know that you perfectly paraphrased Nancy Pelosi's "We''l have to pass it to find out what's in it." Obamacare statement, right? :lamo
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Ironic, isn't it?
 
Mycroft said:
State ownership? Don't be ridiculous. That's something the left is more inclined to do.

I don't know what the policy will be. Whatever it is, I'm confident it will benefit the US.



My view?

Angela...quit your whining. You can't play the victim anymore. You made your bed...Uncle Sugar Daddy won't be bailing you out anymore. Oh...and Angela...tell Macron to grow up and stop acting like a child.[SUB][/SUB]
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Victim? Sorry, but venting about being whined about by the US is not whining as much as complaining.

And since when does Germany need a sugar daddy? They have a balanced budget and they have an export surplus. They rank the US in productivity, they have great health care, ranked higher in freedom and have some of the world best car producers in the world.

Not sure they are in need of US being their sugar daddy. In fact German companies invested about 250 billion in the US compared to 108 billion that the US invested in Germany. Again, no sings of the US being the Germans sugar daddy.
 
cuban smokes said:
That is exactly the leader a country that can destroy the planet in less than one hour needs for a leader
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Then why in God's name did you give him the job?
 
radcen said:
:lamo You do know that you perfectly paraphrased Nancy Pelosi's "We'll have to pass it to find out what's in it." Obamacare statement, right? :lamo
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Apples and oranges

Nobody votes on the policy. It's not a law.

And you claim to want verified named sources for news, yet anything Trump may or may not do gets absolute blind faith. *smh*
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Again...apples and oranges.

You know...if Trump started reporting news and actions about some foreign leader and told me, "Oh, someone told me. I can't tell you who it is, but please...believe me. Would I lie to you???", hell yeah...I'd tell him to take his report and shove it.

And, you know, the only thing the media has to do is report accurate unbiased news. How they do that...I don't care. All Trump has to do is conduct foreign and trade policies with the world that benefit the US. How he does that isn't near as important.

I believe Trump will do things to benefit the US because I've seen him do it before. I believe the media will use spin, lies and innuendo and will attack Trump at ever opportunity because I've seen them do that before...constantly.

Your false equivalence is rejected.
 
Peter King said:
Victim? Sorry, but venting about being whined about by the US is not whining as much as complaining.

And since when does Germany need a sugar daddy? They have a balanced budget and they have an export surplus. They rank the US in productivity, they have great health care, ranked higher in freedom and have some of the world best car producers in the world.

Not sure they are in need of US being their sugar daddy. In fact German companies invested about 250 billion in the US compared to 108 billion that the US invested in Germany. Again, no sings of the US being the Germans sugar daddy.
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Yes...whining. She knows who pays the bulk...76%...of the costs of NATO. And it's not Germany, who pay a measly 4.58% of what it costs to operate NATO. The US also pays 3.61% of our GDP instead of the agreed upon 2%, while Germany pays 1.2%...instead of their agreed upon 2%. If the US were to only drop back to 2%, we would stop paying more than Germany pays right now. Heck, NATO would probably have to shut down.

Oh...and Germany's GDP is one sixth of US GDP. Yeah...they need us more than we need them in just about every way.
 
Mycroft said:
~ Oh...and Germany's GDP is one sixth of US GDP. Yeah...they need us more than we need them in just about every way.
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That's the same silly line of reasoning the Brexit people said about the UK leaving the EU in the false belief the EU needs the UK market to survive.

You forget the sacrifice Germans are willing to undertake to make things work, they did this before when they rejoined with Eastern Germany and look where they are now.
 


Found this about what Germans think of the rest of Europe... very funny. UK is the 51st US state lol, and Mallroca is 17th German state.
 
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