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Muslim Sex Gang Busted in England [W:117]

faithful_servant said:
So you've decided to redefine the term to fit your particular bias...


So what did I say that was denigrating?? It's a simple fact that like most culturally isolated communities, there is a tendency to rally around their own, even when their own are in the wrong. Islamic communities are no different and are often even more insular.

British Report Warns against ?Isolation? of Muslim Community - ASHARQ AL-AWSAT English
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/vie...ation-among-practicing-Muslims-in-Europe.html
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It fits your bias, not mine.
 
faithful_servant said:
Well my bias is towards facts, your's is towards emotional outbursts of faux offence, so I'll take my bias any time.
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It sounds more like your bias is just plain religious prejudice.
 
faithful_servant said:
The term you're looking for is "facts"
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Let me guess, you're someone who would very much like America to follow God's Law, but becomes completely unhinged at the idea of someone following Sharia Law. Amirite?
 
calamity said:
Let me guess, you're someone who would very much like America to follow God's Law, but becomes completely unhinged at the idea of someone following Sharia Law. Amirite?
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Oh look, a strawman!!! Haven't seen one of those since the last post of yours I read....
 
faithful_servant said:
Oh look, a strawman!!! Haven't seen one of those since the last post of yours I read....
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I thought it a fair question. Your choice if you choose not to answer it. No worries.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Yet's it's not the racism you try and claim.
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Yes it is, and yours shows on this issue.


Do you think those black pimps are racist then or business opportunists because clients will pay more for white girls?
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Both. You would have to be familiar with the culture, or tried to understand it, to be educated to that fact.

So you answer my question above. Thanks.
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Enslaving people based on racial prejudice isracist. Pakistani pimps perceive whites as weak, therefore inferior. I'm sure that their religious beliefs also help to bolster their views of supremacy.



Whatever you want to call it, I'm basing my argument on the Rotherham report which you conveniently can't access from home / work or public library or computer...
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Is there no copy of this report online to be viewed without having to download the thing?


If you think it was solely down to political correctness then you are badly informed. The police didn't believe those girls, they came from broken homes and were difficult to deal with. They were not your classic middle class kid from good homes with great manners.
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So? Is that any excuse for the police to decide not to follow the law? Because the victims didn't possess 'great manners'?

And here you are blaming the victims, absolutely repugnant. Predictable too I'll add.



What a stupid comment. Think about what you are trying to say and where your example is based. For one, the muslim rape gangs started on their own, then moved onto hindu / sikh and black girls in various towns and then white girls.
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From that logic, let's say that the American Slavetrade wasn't racist, since white indentured servants were used as forced laborers prior to African slaves. See, the slavetraders started with their own, and eventually enslaved other races, so there was nothing racist at all going on there. Sound good?

White soldiers in the middle of the Congo raping white kids..... where would these kids come from? :lol::doh
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^Dodge
 
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truthatallcost said:
Yes it is, and yours shows on this issue.

Both. You would have to be familiar with the culture, or tried to understand it, to be educated to that fact.

Enslaving people based on racial prejudice isracist. Pakistani pimps perceive whites as weak, therefore inferior. I'm sure that their religious beliefs also help to bolster their views of supremacy.

Is there no copy of this report online to be viewed without having to download the thing?

So? Is that any excuse for the police to decide not to follow the law? Because the victims didn't possess 'great manners'?

And here you are blaming the victims, absolutely repugnant. Predictable too I'll add.

From that logic, let's say that the American Slavetrade wasn't racist, since white indentured servants were used as forced laborers prior to African slaves. See, the slavetraders started with their own, and eventually enslaved other races, so there was nothing racist at all going on there. Sound good?

^Dodge
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Sorry this is a pile of poo. You're arguing for the sake of arguing and I doubt you really believe half of what you wrote there.

Come back when you've thought out what you're trying to say.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Sorry this is a pile of poo. You're arguing for the sake of arguing and I doubt you really believe half of what you wrote there.

Come back when you've thought out what you're trying to say.
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This is how all our debates end on the subject. You run out ways to defend serial rapists, and so you wave off discussing it any further. Surrender noted.
 
truthatallcost said:
This is how all our debates end on the subject. You run out ways to defend serial rapists, and so you wave off discussing it any further.
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Blatant lie in view of the fact that nobody is defending anyone of the sort.
Surrender noted.
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Not the lamest of put-downs but in any competition it would do.:2razz:
 
Chagos said:
Blatant lie in view of the fact that nobody is defending anyone of the sort. Not the lamest of put-downs but in any competition it would do.:2razz:
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No, you are just defending the culture that makes that sort possible.
 
Chagos said:
Blatant lie in view of the fact that nobody is defending anyone of the sort. Not the lamest of put-downs but in any competition it would do.:2razz:
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You want to volunteer for your buddy, since he's out of gas, OK.

His assertion was that in spite of a dozens of cases of Muslim sex gangs preying on mostly white children; there was no racism, or racially based motives at all on the behalf of the Muslim sex gangs.

And... Go.
 
truthatallcost said:
You want to volunteer for your buddy, since he's out of gas, OK.

His assertion was that in spite of a dozens of cases of Muslim sex gangs preying on mostly white children; there was no racism, or racially based motives at all on the behalf of the Muslim sex gangs.
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You made the accusation of serial rapists being defended.

Fail.

And... Go.
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gone.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Next personal comment merits you a nice trip to thread ban city with a stop over at infraction village.
 
truthatallcost said:
This is how all our debates end on the subject. You run out ways to defend serial rapists, and so you wave off discussing it any further. Surrender noted.
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OK, to save me pointing out the over the top accusations and falsehoods in your posts - show me which posts defend serial rapists?

Try something simple like explaining to me where white soldiers in Africa would be raping white girls? You do both of those things and I'll come back and discuss.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
OK, to save me pointing out the over the top accusations and falsehoods in your posts - show me which posts defend serial rapists?
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By attempting to deemphasize the fact that these sex gangs are racist.

Try something simple like explaining to me where white soldiers in Africa would be raping white girls? You do both of those things and I'll come back and discuss.
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You understood the analogy I made. And I understand why you're not willing to answer it directly, without twisting it.

Yes you would see that act as racially motivated and unjust, and you also know that 'white soldiers raping white Africans' (wtf BTW) isn't an accurate comparison with Pakistani 'Brits' raping thousands of white children in England. Coy isn't something you play well.
 
truthatallcost said:
By attempting to deemphasize the fact that these sex gangs are racist.
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Sorry, you're going to have to prove these gangs were racist. Trouble is, you won't get a pdf reader to read the studies so all I have is your opinion. The reports and lots of articles state that these gangs also targeted non whites and in Rotherham they specifically started with their own just as they do in Pakistan. These gangs also exist in Pakistan and simply carried on activities here in the UK.

truthatallcost said:
~ You understood the analogy I made. And I understand why you're not willing to answer it directly, without twisting it.

Yes you would see that act as racially motivated and unjust, and you also know that 'white soldiers raping white Africans' (wtf BTW) isn't an accurate comparison with Pakistani 'Brits' raping thousands of white children in England. Coy isn't something you play well.
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Your analogy is rubbish. Just answer where white soldiers in Africa would have the choice of victims race please.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Sorry, you're going to have to prove these gangs were racist. Trouble is, you won't get a pdf reader to read the studies so all I have is your opinion.
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Does your government report say that the gangs aren't racist?

The reports and lots of articles state that these gangs also targeted non whites and in Rotherham they specifically started with their own just as they do in Pakistan.
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Can you provide the percentage of victims that were non-white? Numbers? Statistics?

These gangs also exist in Pakistan and simply carried on activities here in the UK.
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As a side discussion, what is the penalty, if any, for these guys if they're caught doing this in Pakistan?


Your analogy is rubbish. Just answer where white soldiers in Africa would have the choice of victims race please.
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OK, let me rephrase; if white soldiers were found to be raping thousands of black children in Nigeria, would you see that as racist?
 
truthatallcost said:
Does your government report say that the gangs aren't racist?

Can you provide the percentage of victims that were non-white? Numbers? Statistics?
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Git yourself a pdf reader, do your own research I'm about to go out for the day. Basically they are described as paedophiles. Paedophiles are opportunists and once the muslim community in Rochedale Rotherham etc started warning about monsters in their midst, the gangs moved on.

Same with Sikh and Hindu victims, once the warning came out, the gangs moved on. Now, the simplistic response I've met here several years is that the gangs targeted white girls but they in reality targeted vulnerable girls. Once their first sets of victims were unavailable, they moved to the next available group.
Call that racist if it suits your agenda, I've explained this repeatedly to people like you whose stupid response is "you're excusing serial rapists.."

truthatallcost said:
~ As a side discussion, what is the penalty, if any, for these guys if they're caught doing this in Pakistan?
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You want a lesson in how to use Google?

truthatallcost said:
~ OK, let me rephrase; if white soldiers were found to be raping thousands of black children in Nigeria, would you see that as racist?
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You dodged the question but I'll answer yours. No I wouldn't because there would be only vulnerable children available. In this case, black Africans. And for your further education, there were examples of UN soldiers raping and abusing kids in war zones. Don't ask me to google for you.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Git yourself a pdf reader, do your own research I'm about to go out for the day. Basically they are described as paedophiles. Paedophiles are opportunists and once the muslim community in Rochedale Rotherham etc started warning about monsters in their midst, the gangs moved on.
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So a pedophile can't be racist? What weird alternative universe are we gathering that from?

Same with Sikh and Hindu victims, once the warning came out, the gangs moved on. Now, the simplistic response I've met here several years is that the gangs targeted white girls but they in reality targeted vulnerable girls. Once their first sets of victims were unavailable, they moved to the next available group.
Call that racist if it suits your agenda, I've explained this repeatedly to people like you whose stupid response is "you're excusing serial rapists.."
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They're racist rapists. I've no desire to explain them or improve their public image.

You dodged the question but I'll answer yours. No I wouldn't because there would be only vulnerable children available. In this case, black Africans.
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They abused their position, and treated the kids in a racist manner.

And for your further education, there were examples of UN soldiers raping and abusing kids in war zones. Don't ask me to google for you.
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I'm aware, and I won't bother defending them or making excuses. The rapists in this case are racist and should be dealt with anyway that the victims families deem fit. If they choose capital punishment, so much the better.
 
truthatallcost said:
So a pedophile can't be racist? What weird alternative universe are we gathering that from?
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Where did I say paedophiles can't be racist? What you're trying to argue hasn't been backed up by any reputable sources you could claim. A paedophile is a predator first and looks for the most vulnerable victims first and then moves on only when that source is denied them.

truthatallcost said:
~ They're racist rapists
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Only because you say so. What you're trying to argue hasn't been backed up by any reputable sources you could claim.

truthatallcost said:
~ They abused their position, and treated the kids in a racist manner.
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No, they abused kids however I think you need to prove that claim about treating the kids in a racist manner.

truthatallcost said:
~ I'm aware, and I won't bother defending them or making excuses. The rapists in this case are racist and should be dealt with anyway that the victims families deem fit. If they choose capital punishment, so much the better.
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Hyperbole. You made a claim, asked me questions which I answer and now I await your honest answers.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Git yourself a pdf reader, do your own research I'm about to go out for the day. Basically they are described as paedophiles. Paedophiles are opportunists and once the muslim community in Rochedale Rotherham etc started warning about monsters in their midst, the gangs moved on.

Same with Sikh and Hindu victims, once the warning came out, the gangs moved on. Now, the simplistic response I've met here several years is that the gangs targeted white girls but they in reality targeted vulnerable girls. Once their first sets of victims were unavailable, they moved to the next available group.
Call that racist if it suits your agenda, I've explained this repeatedly to people like you whose stupid response is "you're excusing serial rapists.."

You want a lesson in how to use Google?

You dodged the question but I'll answer yours. No I wouldn't because there would be only vulnerable children available. In this case, black Africans. And for your further education, there were examples of UN soldiers raping and abusing kids in war zones. Don't ask me to google for you.
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My emphasis IC.

Of course, when I suggested this several months ago, I got shouted down as a victim blamer by the those with a racial agenda and, yet another thread has turned up here with this quote from a 'local child safety campaigner Angela Sinfield' in one of the linked articles...

'One of the biggest problems is that these children don't see themselves as victims. They'll say that these men are their "boyfriends', even when these are much older, married men'.

The whole point is not their race, it is about men who will target vulnerable kids in our communities exactly as you say, they will go for the weakest and then the next weakest and then the next! We seem content to sit on our hands and congratulate ourselves that 'It's the Pakis!' and not good white folks and controlling immigration will sort it out. We are doing this rather than asking ourselves the difficult question as to why the hell we are raising working class kids in this country with such low self esteem and ambition that they will fall for these lies to the extent that they will delude themselves that they are actually in a relationship with these despicable cowardly criminals!

It is one of those things that I just cannot get my head around that no one is even contemplating that it is a problem that our kids can be so easily duped? Personally, I think it is just lazy, we just don't want to face up to our shortcomings and do the hard yards of raising kids with the critical and emotional facilities to discern these criminals for what they are.
 
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