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DO you fancy a free castle or historic building in Italy?

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I never fancied visiting Italy but this is a really interesting idea. Tourism is apparently very slow in Italy and there are probably major cuts in budgets to keep such buildings in condition.

The cost? You have to commit to the site becoming a tourist destination...

The country’s State Property Agency expects anyone who gets a free castle (or any other of the 103 objects) to commit to restoring it so it can be used as a tourist destination. Whether the property becomes a hotel, spa, restaurant, or something else is up to the new owner to decide.

This idea would never happen in the UK, there's a furious property developer market, any such site would probably be snapped up or the landed gentry who own the land such sites are on would never give them up for sale.
 
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I never fancied visiting Italy but this is a really interesting idea. Tourism is apparently very slow in Italy and there are probably major cuts in budgets to keep such buildings in condition.

The cost? You have to commit to the site becoming a tourist destination...



This idea would never happen in the UK, there's a furious property developer market, any such site would probably be snapped up or the landed gentry who own the land such sites are on would never give them up for sale.

I have known a couple of people to buy such properties for nearly nothing. In the old road from Florence to Ravenna there is an uninhabited but gorgious villiage with a brook with up to sixty hectares. The main question is finacial. Restoration and maintenance is very expensive and making money with them requires really expert handling.
 
I have known a couple of people to buy such properties for nearly nothing. In the old road from Florence to Ravenna there is an uninhabited but gorgious villiage with a brook with up to sixty hectares. The main question is finacial. Restoration and maintenance is very expensive and making money with them requires really expert handling.

Absolutely, I looked at some old houses in Southern France two year's ago - you could pick up a lovely residence that needed repair for pennies. The properties in Italy in the OP are concessions - not gifts from the Italian govt whereas residential properties in France are your property till you sell.

I'd always go Southern France and my own property rather than Italian castle that eventually goes back to the govt.
 
Absolutely, I looked at some old houses in Southern France two year's ago - you could pick up a lovely residence that needed repair for pennies. The properties in Italy in the OP are concessions - not gifts from the Italian govt whereas residential properties in France are your property till you sell.

I'd always go Southern France and my own property rather than Italian castle that eventually goes back to the govt.

How do you fancy Loire valley?

Just asking.
 
Absolutely, I looked at some old houses in Southern France two year's ago - you could pick up a lovely residence that needed repair for pennies. The properties in Italy in the OP are concessions - not gifts from the Italian govt whereas residential properties in France are your property till you sell.

I'd always go Southern France and my own property rather than Italian castle that eventually goes back to the govt.

Yeah. I've never been to Italy but that would be preferable by far than knowing eventually with great anxiety I would have to be constantly on the move. I like to grow roots.
 
How do you fancy Loire valley?

Just asking.

It's beautiful, would be amazing. I loved the midi-Pyrenees and Poitou Charentes. Brexit and the fall in the pound have dented my dreams though. :(

Do you have property there?
 
I bet tourism is down because they enacted visitor tax, thats why. In my last stay in Rome I had to pay 60 Euros in addition to the hotel bill because some sort of ****ing tourist tax. :mad:
 
It's beautiful, would be amazing. I loved the midi-Pyrenees and Poitou Charentes. Brexit and the fall in the pound have dented my dreams though. :(

Do you have property there?

Yes the one in the photo.

Going vey cheap!
 
I bet tourism is down because they enacted visitor tax, thats why. In my last stay in Rome I had to pay 60 Euros in addition to the hotel bill because some sort of ****ing tourist tax. :mad:

No tourist tax if you have a house there. I don't think the French have that at all.

5 Bedrooms, pool, 5 bath/shower/toilet rooms, just sayin'.
 
I think Italy, by comparison with other western European and Mediterranean destinations, is very tourist unfriendly. Apart from the tourist tax, I always feel as if I'm about to be ripped off in Italy. What kind of tourist paradise is it in which it's a bad idea to sit down in a cafe? Here in Spain there will probably be a bar price and a terrace price. You may pay 20¢ or so more for a coffee to sit at a table outside in the sunshine. In Italy? Double the price, or even triple it.

And you pay for EVERYTHING in a restaurant: the water on your table; the bread basket; the pre-dinner nibble; the post-dinner digestivo. Whilst it's not unheard of to be charged for those things, here in Spain you'll generally get all of them for free, and there won't be a cover charge or a service charge slapped on your bill at the end. I remember being in a restaurant, just round the corner from La Scala in Milan where we worked out that excluding the dishes we ordered from the menu and the wine with chose, just sitting there drinking tap water and chewing a bread stick cost us 12€ each! I think that things like that are why Italy's tourist industry isn't doing so well.
 
The property tax on those things must be crazy... and having visitors up in your business all the time, no thank you.

Buildings with modern amenities FTW. :)
 
I can't afford either, but those pictures are excellent. I'd have to go with the castle from picture #2.
 
I think Italy, by comparison with other western European and Mediterranean destinations, is very tourist unfriendly. Apart from the tourist tax, I always feel as if I'm about to be ripped off in Italy. What kind of tourist paradise is it in which it's a bad idea to sit down in a cafe? Here in Spain there will probably be a bar price and a terrace price. You may pay 20¢ or so more for a coffee to sit at a table outside in the sunshine. In Italy? Double the price, or even triple it.

And you pay for EVERYTHING in a restaurant: the water on your table; the bread basket; the pre-dinner nibble; the post-dinner digestivo. Whilst it's not unheard of to be charged for those things, here in Spain you'll generally get all of them for free, and there won't be a cover charge or a service charge slapped on your bill at the end. I remember being in a restaurant, just round the corner from La Scala in Milan where we worked out that excluding the dishes we ordered from the menu and the wine with chose, just sitting there drinking tap water and chewing a bread stick cost us 12€ each! I think that things like that are why Italy's tourist industry isn't doing so well.

So many other places that actually want tourism I think.
 
So many other places that actually want tourism I think.

Yup. If I compare breaks I've taken in recent years to Berlin, Budapest, Zurich, Amsterdam, Dublin and Istanbul with trips I've taken to Rome and Milan, the Italian cities come bottom of the list for value-for-money, warmth of welcome, sense of security and quality of service. I can't speak for all of Italy, since I wouldn't judge the UK by London alone, nor France by Paris, but I'd avoid those two cities. I've also visited Genoa, and that was much nicer.
 
Yup. If I compare breaks I've taken in recent years to Berlin, Budapest, Zurich, Amsterdam, Dublin and Istanbul with trips I've taken to Rome and Milan, the Italian cities come bottom of the list for value-for-money, warmth of welcome, sense of security and quality of service. I can't speak for all of Italy, since I wouldn't judge the UK by London alone, nor France by Paris, but I'd avoid those two cities. I've also visited Genoa, and that was much nicer.

Interesting, I absolutely loved Rome. The service was excellent, the food to die for, the sights wonderful. The prices are what they are, for a major city; I would expect nothing else to be honest.
 
Yup. If I compare breaks I've taken in recent years to Berlin, Budapest, Zurich, Amsterdam, Dublin and Istanbul with trips I've taken to Rome and Milan, the Italian cities come bottom of the list for value-for-money, warmth of welcome, sense of security and quality of service. I can't speak for all of Italy, since I wouldn't judge the UK by London alone, nor France by Paris, but I'd avoid those two cities. I've also visited Genoa, and that was much nicer.
Yeah, principally beware of the honey traps (as in the more common connotation).

I find I get ripped off if I don't watch it, by just going to the coast of the next province, where I find the city of Granada itself and most of what's inland to be fair.

As a perhaps interesting sideline, shops down my way of the coast used to hike their prices for all goods, come tourist season. With many from Cordoba and Sevilla preferring milder Med. climes to the Atlantic, they owned holiday apartments here just for own (family) use. They pretty soon got wise to the scam and thus did two arrival trips.

First one with car loaded up with groceries from their local shops, second one with car loaded with family.

Shopkeepers went ballistic in protest when they realized it but scream as they might, they finally realized it was better to give up this disgusting practice. Of course the whole thing was primarily directed at the guiris but they couldn't very well have two different prices in the shops.

I've had good and bad experiences all over the continent and the bad ones mostly due to not knowing the ropes sufficiently in the big cities.

Outside of those it wasn't so bad, a fair deal being more the rule.

Good point about London not being UK, Paris not France etc.

Like with Milan and Rome, getting some 20 kms out of 'em painted a different picture altogether.
 
I´ve been in Arezzo, tuscany last October with a day trip to Rome. We did not find it extremely unfriendly or expensive. Was a great Trip. What I really did not like is the cash system for the highways. Thats really expansive and due to the paying stations it is really bad if you take the wrong turn because you have to drive a big round and then sign in again. - I hope our dumb Minister of traffic will fail to improve similar **** here.
 
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