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Marine Le Pen's party suspected of defrauding the EU for almost 5 million euro

Master PO said:
well from the story there are no facts yet, but some wish to see them as if they are , which is why i caution
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Indeed, it'll be the job of the investigation to establish those, either way.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
I have no reason to doubt your characterisation, but why does the EU say that the money is available and for what?
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For political parties to do the stuff they do at the EU parliament. Research and so on.

Not really needed for that at all of course...
 
Fritz said:
Having been suspected of fraud should be a scandal in itself for it already abuses the trust of voters.
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I "suspect" that it's more likely a politically motivated hit-job but, sure.
 
Fishking said:
I "suspect" that it's more likely a politically motivated hit-job but, sure.
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If you want to link it to the current elections in France, you might be interested to know that the whole affair is a lot older than those.

That the move to lift her EU immunity is coinciding with those very same may indeed serve interested "outlets" to churn the waters right now (by enhancing the "coincidence"), but the lifting won't be occurring til well after the current election.

Neither the EU nor the French judiciary system are known for speed.

Fillon incidentally faced the same vagaries but his affair (nothing as yet uncovered let alone any verdict arrived at) sure caused him more damage than Le Pen's affair so far caused her.
 
Andalublue said:
Wow! That sounds like the musing of a European Alex Jones. I always had you down as more level-headed than that, Tim.
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Perhaps your assesment of me is right and your assesment of the motivations of providing money for EU politicians to campaign for a parliament with no real power is wrong.

Just maybe?
 
Chagos said:
Which part of the terms "suspected" and "investigation" do you require to be explained to you?

To imply that neither suspicion nor investigation exist is very silly.
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I need nothing explained to me. The same unsavory liars populate European politics and have for a long time. Any threat to the status quo scares the **** out of them and the new nationalism movement has them ****ting their pants. Is the charge real? It doesn't matter as long as it gets the proper slant in the press, which the government has running scared, or walking in lock step.
 
coldjoint said:
I need nothing explained to me. The same unsavory liars populate European politics and have for a long time. Any threat to the status quo scares the **** out of them and the new nationalism movement has them ****ting their pants. Is the charge real? It doesn't matter as long as it gets the proper slant in the press, which the government has running scared, or walking in lock step.
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Except fraud investigations usually are accurate, they may be unsavory liars in the parliament/among European politicians (a lot of them from Le Pen's party and those who have the same disgusting opinions like the Lega Nord, PVV and others) as well as sadly social democrats and others, but that does not mean you can just dismiss this suspicion or investigation and I have a sneaking suspicion that those suspicions are well founded and accurate.

And in the European parliament those anti-Europe groups are mostly a joke, they have no power in the European parliament and most of them fail miserably at home because most of them are unsavory, disgusting, hate mongering, close to extreme right pigs, just like Wilders is. An immoral piece of filth with an exploding hairdo that just shouts what hatred comes to his mind so he can grow his power. Well, he threw the dice in the Netherlands and was defeated by the fact that the vast vast vast majority of the Dutch reject his hatred and disgusting personality (like 131 to 19 seats denounce him).
 
Chagos said:
There are two sides to this, the home country and its laws on party financing within and the EU parliament and its regulations on how allocated funds (per party) may or may not be employed.

There are also different elections held for either, i.e. one for the individual country and one for the European parliament (even where both occur in the same country). With each country being allocated its respective number of seats in the European parliament, the composition of MEPs (party belonging) per country will result from the election results at home (for the EP, not for the national parliament).

Financing of whichever party depends on what the home country allows or forbids.

Once a candidate (party) has been elected to the European parliament, s/he/it are allocated funds by the very same to work with FOR Europe. Those are designed to cover all costs that have to do with parliamentary work, again pertaining to the EP.

NOT..............

for financing party election campaigns back home, be those campaigns for the sake of being elected into national parliament or the EP.

In case of this having happened, both the EP and (here) France will have an interest in pursuing such misappropriations.

The EU because its money went to a forbidden venue and France because party financing came from a prohibited source.
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Well, I did ask. Thank you.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Could you be more specific. Why would an individual or party need aid to hold an election. Wouldn't that be the responsibility of the individual country or jurisdiction? If there was a money transfer, why wouldn't it go to the organization conducting the election?
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Hmm you dont seem to understand....we are not talking about the running of elections, as in the ballot boxes and so on.. that is done by the state. We are talking about the party´s campaign.

Party funding for elections comes in part from the state and in part from party members and in some jurisdictions, from donations (highly limited). These funds are used to run the party´s election campaign for specific elections. For example in France, companies are not allowed to give money to political parties and private persons are highly limited.

So when it comes to the EU, the EU puts money into the pot (as agreed by the countries), the individual nation does often as well and so on. That funding is specific for the EU election and nothing else, and what Le Pen is accused off, is using that funding for something else than an EU election.

Basically, picture this.. You are a CEO, you have a company credit card that is only to be used for company relevant things. You use it to fund your mistress and buy drugs. That is fraud. That is what she and others have done.

Oh and lets not forget, running a political campaign is cheap in Europe versus the US. I once saw numbers that stated that the whole election budget for all parties in Holland was less than one US senator in a major state.. just saying.
 
coldjoint said:
European fake news?
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As of today Le Pen has a better chance to win according to the sports books than Trump did at 9AM election day!
Don't count her out

2017 French Presidential Election
12:00 AM
2001 Emmanuel Macron -750
2002 Marine Le Pen +525

At 9am election day it was :
Clinton -800
Trump +550
 
slick said:
As of today Le Pen has a better chance to win according to the sports books than Trump did at 9AM election day!
Don't count her out

2017 French Presidential Election
12:00 AM
2001 Emmanuel Macron -750
2002 Marine Le Pen +525

At 9am election day it was :
Clinton -800
Trump +550
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Ya, I was reading around the French Press yesterday, things are going Le Pens way. The French Left might not be willing to support Macron on the grounds that he would be a continuation of the failed French Elite, because he has no party and thus could not get anything done, and he is acting all arrogant like Obama, which turns a lot of French off. Maybe they stay home like people stayed home rather than vote for Clinton. The French Elite laying down heavily a guilt trip for the little people looks also like like a rerun of the mistake the American Elite used to try to sink Trump, which as we all know did not work at all.
 
coldjoint said:
I need nothing explained to me. The same unsavory liars populate European politics and have for a long time. Any threat to the status quo scares the **** out of them and the new nationalism movement has them ****ting their pants. Is the charge real? It doesn't matter as long as it gets the proper slant in the press, which the government has running scared, or walking in lock step.
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Well, when one takes into account that your knowledge of Europe in general is poor at best and your knowledge of individual European countries virtually non-existent, it's not really surprising that you find it as not mattering whether the charge is real or not.

More so considering that you're not in Europe anyway and little likelihood existing of that ever happening. So none of it really affects you.

Interesting your insight despite of all this though, namely that the people we're talking about here are unsavoury liars. Especially in view of the fact that beyond investigations having been initiated, nothing more is as yet established.

That Marine's holocaust denial constitutes lying does of course not merit much debate but that's not what this thread would be about.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
Ya, I was reading around the French Press yesterday, things are going Le Pens way. The French Left might not be willing to support Macron on the grounds that he would be a continuation of the failed French Elite, because he has no party and thus could not get anything done, and he is acting all arrogant like Obama, which turns a lot of French off. Maybe they stay home like people stayed home rather than vote for Clinton. The French Elite laying down heavily a guilt trip for the little people looks also like like a rerun of the mistake the American Elite used to try to sink Trump, which as we all know did not work at all.
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Good afternoon, Hawkeye10. :2wave:

It sounds like Le Pen wants France to remain as France - ie, making their own laws on how they want to live - and not become just a little blob of land taking orders from the elite in a global government - Nationalism versus Globalism? I'm not sure if this means they might exit the EU like the British did, which might scare a lot of voters, and the global elite are very much against her and are spending a lot of money to defeat her by smearing her and her party, but we shall see the results of how the people feel soon enough. :shock:
 
polgara said:
Good afternoon, Hawkeye10. :2wave:

It sounds like Le Pen wants France to remain as France - ie, making their own laws on how they want to live - and not become just a little blob of land taking orders from the elite in a global government - Nationalism versus Globalism? I'm not sure if this means they might exit the EU like the British did, which might scare a lot of voters, and the global elite are very much against her and are spending a lot of money to defeat her by smearing her and her party, but we shall see the results of how the people feel soon enough. :shock:
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I am not making any predictions other than a Le Pen win will strike fear into the hearts of the globalists, it will be like Mike Tyson landing three solid blows in a row (Brexit, Trump, Le Pen)... that will daze and confuse. The American Elite might just call off the Trump impeachment in that case. Most certainly the EU elites agenda to punish the Brits will have to give way.
 
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I wondered when accusations of some kind of criminal activity were going to start happening. The better she, or her party does, the more lefties get worried about any kind of success for her, the more chances there are of this happening. She must be doing well to draw these allegations. The timing, of course, is particularly important. Any time a conservative politician is starting to do really well in a poll, I think, here we go, when will such allegations begin?
 
LadyMoonlight said:
I wondered when accusations of some kind of criminal activity were going to start happening. The better she, or her party does, the more lefties get worried about any kind of success for her, the more chances there are of this happening. She must be doing well to draw these allegations. The timing, of course, is particularly important. Any time a conservative politician is starting to do really well in a poll, I think, here we go, when will such allegations begin?
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Huh. So a direct implication that the accusations are baseless and politically motivated with absolutely no proof that they are.

Yay!
 
LadyMoonlight said:
~................. Any time a conservative politician is starting to do really well in a poll, I think, here we go, when will such allegations begin?
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This isn't about any conservative, it's about a neo-fascist holocaust denier from a neo-fascist and anti-semitic household of holocaust deniers.:roll:
 
LadyMoonlight said:
I wondered when accusations of some kind of criminal activity were going to start happening. The better she, or her party does, the more lefties get worried about any kind of success for her, the more chances there are of this happening. She must be doing well to draw these allegations. The timing, of course, is particularly important. Any time a conservative politician is starting to do really well in a poll, I think, here we go, when will such allegations begin?
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Le Pen and Macron are neck and neck of course some unfounded allegations would come out to smear Le Pen.
But then again the Le Pen campaign has been bringing to light Macron’s wife, the drama teacher, Brigitte Trogneux. She is 24 years older than he is.
It’s not clear exactly when Macron and Trogneux had their first sex romps. He was roughly 16 at the time and she was pushing 40 and was married. She had three children with her first husband. Most Americans frown on such things in fact we put teachers in jail for such things in this country. However that didn't stop leftist Joy Baher calling Marine Le Pen a Nazi on the View to counter Macron's sexual relationship at the age of 16 with his former teacher 24 years older etc.... Joy Behar on the View and a leftie in her own right can declare Le Pen a Nazi with no proof makes Macron just peachy. See how it works?

Joy Behar: Marine Le Pen's A 'Nazi' | The Daily Caller
 
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Fritz said:
After this scandal, Le Pen better lose.
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Look at all the scandals Trump survived, and she is supposed to be France's Trump
 
If Le Pen wins then Europe is ****ed. The only thing that could counterweight such a tragedy would be the defeat of Trump and election of a Progressive (Sanders or Warren) as President of the United States in 2020. And even that may be too little, too late.
 
vesper said:
Le Pen and Macron are neck and neck of course some unfounded allegations would come out to smear Le Pen.
But then again the Le Pen campaign has been bringing to light Macron’s wife, the drama teacher, Brigitte Trogneux. She is 24 years older than he is.
It’s not clear exactly when Macron and Trogneux had their first sex romps. He was roughly 16 at the time and she was pushing 40 and was married. She had three children with her first husband. Most Americans frown on such things in fact we put teachers in jail for such things in this country. However that didn't stop leftist Joy Baher calling Marine Le Pen a Nazi on the View to counter Macron's sexual relationship at the age of 16 with his former teacher 24 years older etc.... Joy Behar on the View and a leftie in her own right can declare Le Pen a Nazi with no proof makes Macron just peachy. See how it works?

Joy Behar: Marine Le Pen's A 'Nazi' | The Daily Caller
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Good evening, Vesper. :2wave:

So what else is new? Does anyone care what Behar thinks about anything? Le Pen cares about her country's future, but I suppose that's not sufficient reason for anyone who wants to call her a Nazi? How sad...
 
LadyMoonlight said:
I wondered when accusations of some kind of criminal activity were going to start happening. The better she, or her party does, the more lefties get worried about any kind of success for her, the more chances there are of this happening. She must be doing well to draw these allegations. The timing, of course, is particularly important. Any time a conservative politician is starting to do really well in a poll, I think, here we go, when will such allegations begin?
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She already had allegations before the election even began. Also Macron is leading by quite a sizable margin.
 
vesper said:
~................ Most Americans frown on such things in fact we put teachers in jail for such things in this country. ...............~
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what sort of things?
 
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