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French celebrities vow to leave if Le Pen wins[W:50]

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Who here is going to go on record as stating they believe Le Pen will win?
 
Serenity said:
Who here is going to go on record as stating they believe Le Pen will win?
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MARINE LE PEN WILL WIN

if she doesn't who cares, I have nothing wagered
 
Serenity said:
Who here is going to go on record as stating they believe Le Pen will win?
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She has an argument that has been winning:

Ms Le Pen wasted no time in telling her victory party that Mr Macron was simply a continuation of the deeply unpopular status quo. We will hear that repeatedly over the next fortnight. She'll pick apart his pro-immigration policies and his admiration for the EU and globalisation.
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Macron odds on to beat Le Pen in round two
 
Serenity said:
Who here is going to go on record as stating they believe Le Pen will win?
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Well...

With 97% of polling stations declared, newcomer Macron was leading the field with 23.9%. National Front leader Le Pen was close behind on 21.4%.
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Le Pen faces Macron in final round of French presidential election - WKBT

So Le Pen is likely to move on to the second vote.

It remains to be seen how far current fervor for French Nationalism will take her.

I will not predict her win, but like Trump...I don't advise people assume she will lose.

coldjoint said:
Oh my! This almost destroyed America, what is with these people?:lamo

Patrick Bruel, Enrico Macias, Jean-Marie Le Clézio, Yannick Noah are among the most famous who have threatened to leave la douce France if evil Marine wins.
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Will France survive?

https://www.therebel.media/sound_familiar_french_celebrities_vow_to_leave_if_le_pen_wins
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As with all those American entertainment SJW's who threatened to leave (how many have actually kept their promise)... this is just more entertainer partisan bombast with little actual sincerity. :coffeepap:
 
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Anagram said:
If picking apart pro-immigration policies, the EU, and globalization didn't work for her for the last 6 months of the election, why would it work in the last two weeks?
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Did it escape your notice that she just passed the bar to move on?

That is winning.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Did it escape your notice that she just passed the bar to move on?

That is winning.
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But it didn't give her anything close to enough to move on. And more than 50% of the French vote was for Macron or for candidates who's policies were similar enough to his that they've already endorsed him. If she didn't attract those voters over the first 6 months, why would it suddenly work over the next two weeks?
 
Anagram said:
But it didn't give her anything close to enough to move on. And more than 50% of the French vote was for Macron or for candidates who's policies were similar enough to his that they've already endorsed him. If she didn't attract those voters over the first 6 months, why would it suddenly work over the next two weeks?
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Because this is a different election, and because around the globe her arguments keep winning elections.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Because this is a different election, and because around the globe her arguments keep winning elections.
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Right, but it's the same people voting. And they didn't vote for her today. They voted for candidates who represent the opposite of those arguments. Polls show Macron up 25%. And the polls were dead on in today's election, missing each of the top 5 candidates by less than 1%.

The odds of Le Pen winning are about as low as can possibly be.
 
Anagram said:
Right, but it's the same people voting. And they didn't vote for her today. They voted for candidates who represent the opposite of those arguments. Polls show Macron up 25%. And the polls were dead on in today's election, missing each of the top 5 candidates by less than 1%.

The odds of Le Pen winning are about as low as can possibly be.
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I understand your way of thinking but you must understand that your way of thinking has been wrong so often of late that putting much stock in it is an iffy move.

I dont know a lot about France but I know that they are long suffering and that the rot is getting worse fast and that so many people think that France is about to vanish......And that this Macron fella is almost completely untested and is very much without troops, so I am saying dont count Le Pen out just yet.

You have to wait for more information.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I understand your way of thinking but you must understand that your way of thinking has been wrong so often of late that putting much stock in it is an iffy move.

I dont know a lot about France but I know that they are long suffering and that the rot is getting worse fast and that so many people think that France is about to vanish......And that this Macron fella is almost completely untested and is very much without troops, so I am saying dont count Le Pen out just yet.

You have to wait for more information.
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I have to say I disagree. To the extent the polls were wrong for Brexit and Trump, which is actually not anywhere near as much as people seem to believe, they would have to be wrong tenfold for Le Pen to win. An unlikely proposition considering we got a sterling example of their accuracy today.

Even more than that we know who the French people actually voted for. We know the ideology of the Socialists, Unsubmissive France, and Les Republicaines. And we know that they're closer to Macron's than Le Pen's. France isn't the US. And they aren't the UK.

We have more than enough information to call Le Pen's odds as very, very long.
 
Anagram said:
I have to say I disagree. To the extent the polls were wrong for Brexit and Trump, which is actually not anywhere near as much as people seem to believe, they would have to be wrong tenfold for Le Pen to win. An unlikely proposition considering we got a sterling example of their accuracy today.

Even more than that we know who the French people actually voted for. We know the ideology of the Socialists, Unsubmissive France, and Les Republicaines. And we know that they're closer to Macron's than Le Pen's. France isn't the US. And they aren't the UK.

We have more than enough information to call Le Pen's odds as very, very long.
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It is nice to see the pollsters get it right, the profession sure needed that.
 
The two-week runoff campaign promises to be a battle for the soul of France that will decide not only the country's future, but that of the EU.
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Macron and Le Pen are now in a battle for the soul of France - LA Times

It is exactly this big, and I dont know what the French will decide, and I seriously doubt that the French know what they will decide.

A great argument can win the day here, we have to give a great argument a chance to develop.

This is what the greats like Trump do.

This IS the whole game.




Few political experts expect Le Pen to expand her support sufficiently past her base to win the May 7 election — but then, few predicted Britain’s Brexit or the U.S. election of Donald Trump.
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Sounds like these folks here @ LA Times get it.
 
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Note: If Le Pen wins then the impeachment of Trump might just be called off....that would be a body blow to the Elite Class, that will change things.
 
. But at the end of the day, 412,000 Turks living in Germany voted in favor of Erdogan's referendum. They voted against democracy.

It should provide little comfort that the situation is similar in France, Belgium, Austria and the Netherlands, which are also home to Turkish immigrant communities. The percentages may be different, but the trends are the same.
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Brussels and Berlin Shaken By Turkish Referendum - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Do YA think maybe the French will do a little thinking on this between now and decision day?

Maybe?
 
Le Pen will never be President, ever. Even if she won, all the other parties would form a coalition to rule so that she could not. The same thing would happen in Holland if Wilders were ever to win.

I never thought that I would see the swing back in my lifetime, but now I think I might have been wrong. In shorter time than I originally thought, the west will swing back to traditional values and conservative politics...well, I can only hope so!
 
This is going to be another election where everyone is going to freak out over the ideology and ignore the very real problems facing France.
 
From Le Monde via Google Translate:

Paradoxically, the candidate who, as of Sunday night, was the most focused on the "third round", is Emmanuel Macron. In front of his partisans gathered Porte de Versailles, the candidate of En marche! Has projected himself into the composition of his future majority, giving the impression that the second round was, after all, only a formality.
Scarcely had he sent a message to the electors who had not voted for him in the first round, in the midst of a long litany of thanks to his troops. Yet the candidate would be ill-advised to feel gray by a qualification that is not a triumph.
The historical level reached by the FN, the reserves of votes at its disposal and the uncertainty about the level of mobilization of the electorates of the candidates eliminated in the second round should encourage caution.
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Macron-Le Pen : un duel attendu pour une élection inédite


YA, let's wait for more information.
 
joG said:
Of course he is a continuation of the policy mix of the traditional parties. More so than Fillon would have been in many ways. But there was no realist alternative to continuation of more of the same.
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A lot of folks said that Trump was not realistic.

See the problem do YA?
 
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