Paris gun battle

One policeman has been shot dead and two others wounded in central Paris, French police say, with their suspected attacker killed by security forces. Link.

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Too many such events. My thoughts for the families of the policemen injured and killed tonight.

Timing could prove incendiary to French politics.

Infinite Chaos said:

Too many such events. My thoughts for the families of the policemen injured and killed tonight.

Timing could prove incendiary to French politics.

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How much do you think this will help or hurt Marine Le Pen, if at all?

Infinite Chaos said:

Too many such events. My thoughts for the families of the policemen injured and killed tonight.

Timing could prove incendiary to French politics.

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There really is no respite at the moment. Condolences to the Police officer.

Beaudreaux said:

How much do you think this will help or hurt Marine Le Pen, if at all?

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I guess it depends, if it's a moslem refugee who didn't assimilate it probably helps Le Pen, if it is someone on the far right for whatever reason a far right person would shoot a cop it probably hurts her

remember a pro-stay MP in UK was the subject of a murder before the election, so I'm not willing to immediately declare blame before we know who did it.

unrelated note, two cops were shot in Seattle just today, not terrorism related, but just a reminder law enforcement is a dangerous gig.

Beaudreaux said:

How much do you think this will help or hurt Marine Le Pen, if at all?

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Hard to tell; she's not the only presidential wannabe taking a hard line. So far however there's been no mention of any religious slogans being shouted before the shooting and at the moment, the police say there's nothing to identify this as a terror incident. One source even suggests it could have been robbery related - however the guy parked his car near a police van and then walked to the vehicle and opened fire with his Kalashnikov.

An attack in the heart of Paris, and it's not even extraordinary anymore.
Amazing how Islamic terrorism has made explosions and flying bullets and drivers ramming vehicles into people somewhat of a new norm in European cities.

RIP to the officer killed and a quick recovery to the two injured.

Paris attack: Isis claims responsibility for shooting that left one police officer dead

My deep condolences to the family of the deceased police officer.

Thoughts with the policeman's family, friends and other loved ones.

Tragic.

Infinite Chaos said:

Hard to tell; she's not the only presidential wannabe taking a hard line. So far however there's been no mention of any religious slogans being shouted before the shooting and at the moment, the police say there's nothing to identify this as a terror incident. One source even suggests it could have been robbery related - however the guy parked his car near a police van and then walked to the vehicle and opened fire with his Kalashnikov.

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My guess, it is terror related and a hard line is the only line for the French to take. Condolences for those victimized by this ongoing terror.
Le Pen should get a big bump from this.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3376910/paris-shooting-terror-attack-champs-elysees/

Police have not named the suspect but IS have identified the attacker as Abu-Yusuf al-Baljiki and French media have identified him as having served time for shooting at police in the early millennium.

These events have become far too commonplace, we have to take the battle to these people (this does not necessarily mean invading so-called no-go areas with large numbers of police) rather than wait for the next attack wherever it will come.

Paid informers, preventing jihadis returning to Europe, attacking websites that host terrorist materials and even putting people in like we have done with neo-nazi groups such as combat 18 etc. We should also have paid informants in prisons watching radical would-be clerics and separate so-called charismatic leaders into isolation wings. This is a battle now.

For a lot of this, we will need muslim volunteers to act under cover but the general muslim community has a lot to lose if things continue unabated. We could offer financial incentives etc where we have no muslim officers but this has to be taken on by Western security forces.

Infinite Chaos said:

Police have not named the suspect but IS have identified the attacker as Abu-Yusuf al-Baljiki and French media have identified him as having served time for shooting at police in the early millennium.

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So a known criminal.. again, who happens to be Muslim.

These events have become far too commonplace, we have to take the battle to these people (this does not necessarily mean invading so-called no-go areas with large numbers of police) rather than wait for the next attack wherever it will come.

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Actually they are not more commonplace if we look over decades.

Paid informers, preventing jihadis returning to Europe, attacking websites that host terrorist materials and even putting people in like we have done with neo-nazi groups such as combat 18 etc. We should also have paid informants in prisons watching radical would-be clerics and separate so-called charismatic leaders into isolation wings. This is a battle now.

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A lot of which is already being done. Why not just close the Internet and intern all Muslims? Go all out Trump on the situation!

For a lot of this, we will need muslim volunteers to act under cover but the general muslim community has a lot to lose if things continue unabated. We could offer financial incentives etc where we have no muslim officers but this has to be taken on by Western security forces.

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Again, being done.

However it is hard to recruit people in a community that feels under attack by authorities, the press and everyone outside the community.

No what we really need, is to stop blaming all Muslims and Islam for the criminal acts of the few. When a Muslim abuses a child, then it is Islams fault and the fault of all Muslims, but when a Christian does it, it is not the fault of Christianity or all Christians. Hypocrisy at its best and THAT has to stop. We have to work with the Muslim communities but that wont happen effectively if we continue to attack all Muslims for the criminal acts of the few..

Just look at the Dortmund bus attack... instantly Muslims were blamed, and yet we now know it was German-Russian that did it, to earn money off the Dortmund shares.. Now will all Germans be blamed for this? Russians are already by some, even though he is a German citizen... it seems his Russian ethnicity is more important as it is being mentioned more than his German citizenship.. How about blaming greed and capitalism? Or maybe he is just a common criminal...

When Brevik did his terror attack, did we blame all Norwegians and Christians for to having mind reading capabilities and prevented the attack? Of course not, and yet we expect Muslims to do so..

The hypocrisy issue is a serious problem with society... and it is creating a "we against them", and driving whole countries apart down religious lines.. and that is wrong.

Infinite Chaos said:

Timing could prove incendiary to French politics.

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It could, but I doubt it. I think everyone has been expecting terrorist attacks in the run-up to the poll. It's also clear that the jihadis and ISIS in particular really want these far-right nutjobs to win elections in the West so that they can say to their potential constituents: "See? And you think we're the extremists?" and so they can much more easily escalate the 'clash of civilisations' into global conflagration. Trump, Putin, Le Pen, Wilders etc are the Daesh's best and only hope. I think the French are politically savvy enough to recognise that.

Infinite Chaos said:

Too many such events. My thoughts for the families of the policemen injured and killed tonight.

Timing could prove incendiary to French politics.

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This was a terrorist attack not a "Gun battle". When will we get tired of saying **** like, "My thoughts for the families of the policemen injured and killed tonight." or some such and identify the problem, admit who it is, and do something about it.

Beaudreaux said:

How much do you think this will help or hurt Marine Le Pen, if at all?

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This incident will probably give Marine the victory.

The timing is odd. You would think the Muslims would back off until after the election.

They have just given a great gift to their worst enemy in France.

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Vox said:

This incident will probably give Marine the victory.

The timing is odd. You would think the Muslims would back off until after the election.

They have just given a great gift to their worst enemy in France.

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That's if one wants to understand their motivation that way.

Actually any force coming into power in the West that puts its boot on local Muslims is exactly what they want. The more disgruntled "non-indigenous" there are, the more can be recruited. And the more dissent will reign in Western states, all of that playing exactly into the extremists' hands.

In that, Marine is actually their best friend, even if she doesn't realize it (or doesn't want to).

ReverendHellh0und said:

~................... When will we get tired of saying **** like, "My thoughts for the families of the policemen injured and killed tonight." or some such ...............~

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I'll stop saying it when my sense of common decency (propriety included) goes completely South.

Chagos said:

That's if one wants to understand their motivation that way.

Actually any force coming into power in the West that puts its boot on local Muslims is exactly what they want. The more disgruntled "non-indigenous" there are, the more can be recruited. And the more dissent will reign in Western states, all of that playing exactly into the extremists' hands.

In that, Marine is actually their best friend, even if she doesn't realize it (or doesn't want to).

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That may be a popular myth among the Snowflakes, but the truth is--if immigration is STOPPED and ALL who refuse to assimilate are DEPORTED--ISIS will suddenly have no friends in France.......or any other nation with the guts to put a stop to the nonsense.

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It was reported here quite a few hours ago that Islamic State gave a false name for the attacker. Apparently he is a French National, his name is Karim Cheurfi, was convicted of attacking a police officer in 2001, had been under investigation by anti terrorism officers for some time, and was arrested in February on suspicion of plotting to kill officers but was apparently released because of a lack of evidence.

The suspect was arrested in February on suspicion of plotting to kill officers but was released because of a lack of evidence, the sources said. Archive reports by French newspaper Le Parisian show Cheurfi was convicted of attacking a police officer in 2001. He was armed and behind the wheel of a stolen car, which hit another vehicle, sources close to the investigation said. He was arrested and placed in custody under a false name.

Two days later he seriously injured an officer who was taking him out of his cell, seizing his weapon and firing several times. He had been convicted in 2005 of three counts of attempted murder, with two of these against police officers, sources said.

Paris shooting: Police shot at Champs Elysees days out from French elections

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He has a history of attacks on Police Officers. If the reports are accurate, he should never have been free to begin with.

Vox said:

That may be a popular myth among the Snowflakes,

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Yeah, you're right because you say so and everyone else is wrong.

I should have remembered in time that addressing a post of yours is a waste of my time.

Chagos said:

Yeah, you're right because you say so and everyone else is wrong.

I should have remembered in time that addressing a post of yours is a waste of my time.

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I'm right because you presented popular myth as a fact. While there may be some legitimate elements of your myth in that some toxic Muslims may operate within it.......the fact is that a tough stance toward Muslims is what will be effective and anything less will fail........thus Marine is the greatest enemy of ISIS in France.........just as is Trump in America.

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Vox said:

I'm right because you presented popular myth as a fact. While there may be some legitimate elements of your myth in that some toxic Muslims may operate within it.......the fact is that a tough stance toward Muslims is what will be effective and anything less will fail........thus Marine is the greatest enemy of ISIS in France.........just as is Trump in America.

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yawn.

Bye.

The reports I read say that he used an automatic weapon. Seems to me that since they are banned in France, it would be awfully hard for your average French citizen to get one without assistance.

(Shouldnt need to be said...but that is not a comment on gun control but rather the likelihood that others were in some form involved)

Vox said:

That may be a popular myth among the Snowflakes, but the truth is--if immigration is STOPPED and ALL who refuse to assimilate are DEPORTED--ISIS will suddenly have no friends in France.......or any other nation with the guts to put a stop to the nonsense.

:2usflag:

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Clarify please.

Are you advocating for all immigration to cease or just immigration for all Muslims?

Serenity said:

Clarify please.

Are you advocating for all immigration to cease or just immigration for all Muslims?

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My context was all Muslims there.........but the greater reality is that ALL dissonant immigrants must go.

Lacking assimilation by all those who enter........a nation will eventually perish.

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Infinite Chaos said:

Too many such events. My thoughts for the families of the policemen injured and killed tonight.

Timing could prove incendiary to French politics.

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Actually, the remarkable thing seems to me how relatively incapable the terrorists are at projecting violence and how limp it is. The damage they do is not so large that it warrants so much media space and legal change. Were the numbers larger, .... but as is?

The attack on bvb in Germany is almost more worrying driven as it were by a profit motivation. This would really be a horror scenario, were organized crime pick up bombing as a means to make money on the markets.