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Swedes are Being Treated Like Suckers by Refugees

Kiwimac said:
Anyone commenting negatively a doctor? Perhaps you might leave this to professionals who really are not as easy to fool as you think.

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Whether fooled or not Swedish doctors would be careful not to express any opinion that might be thought anti immigrant. And our doctors and dentists are prohibited from questioning the claims of young - and sometimes not so young- men to be 15 yer old minors, for that would be 'breaching the asylum seekers personal identity'.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I don't know a whole lot about this situation, but if they are discussing stress, the symptoms of PTSD often occur AFTER one is removed from the stressful situation or environment, so what it happening to these girls could be clinically credible.
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In Israel of the early 70s I'd come across survivors of the Nazi camps that still suffered attacks of "flashback". Having by that time grown into adults considerably older than the kids described here, they lived with trauma as much as it lived with them.

Those were, if one can even apply the description without flinching, the lucky ones in that the condition was not permanent, albeit "merely" still recurring with frequency.

The less fortunate remained in constant catatonia (not a separate disorder all on its own or out of itself) and had to be hospitalized just as permanently.

I also remember times when the term of PTSD hadn't been coined yet and those suffering from what was then inadequately termed "combat fatigue" were generally considered to be attention seeking candy-arses that lacked the stones "to get over it".

What the self proclaimed experts on mental disorders here appear ignorant of, is that the state of mind described here cannot be faked to the eye of the real professional.

That it appears to be (currently) confined to Sweden and to immigrants from the more "exotic" cultures of Russia or the former Soviet Union may indeed be considered as puzzling. Dismissing the whole thing with derision though is hardly the professional way of seeking to unravel any of it.
 
Chagos said:
In Israel of the early 70s I'd come across survivors of the Nazi camps that still suffered attacks of "flashback". Having by that time grown into adults considerably older than the kids described here, they lived with trauma as much as it lived with them.

Those were, if one can even apply the description without flinching, the lucky ones in that the condition was not permanent, albeit "merely" still recurring with frequency.

The less fortunate remained in constant catatonia (not a separate disorder all on its own or out of itself) and had to be hospitalized just as permanently.

I also remember times when the term of PTSD hadn't been coined yet and those suffering from what was then inadequately termed "combat fatigue" were generally considered to be attention seeking candy-arses that lacked the stones "to get over it".

What the self proclaimed experts on mental disorders here appear ignorant of, is that the state of mind described here cannot be faked to the eye of the real professional.

That it appears to be (currently) confined to Sweden and to immigrants from the more "exotic" cultures of Russia or the former Soviet Union may indeed be considered as puzzling. Dismissing the whole thing with derision though is hardly the professional way of seeking to unravel any of it.
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It's a specific culture, the youth of whom were either not alive or very, very young when the war zone they would be deported back to was hot. Those war zones are now functioning countries.

Look, if repo men were coming to take my Ferrari, would it not look suspicious if I was was suddenly, medically unable to get out of the front seat? And would it not be even more suspicious if I was suddenly able to move again as soon as the repo men left?
 
One of the articles refers to a similar phenomenon seen in aboriginal culture. The article called it "voodoo death". We call it "pointing the bone".


The article also states that a psychologist tracked down an apathetic boy who had been deported to Serbia and found him, six months later, still unconscious, his skin sallow, in a one-room house with no running water.

No, he didn't magically wake up when his families fate was sealed and he was returned to his Country of origin.
 
I love watching Christian compassion in action. Right Wing hate must make Jesus proud. :roll:
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
It's a specific culture, the youth of whom were either not alive or very, very young when the war zone they would be deported back to was hot. Those war zones are now functioning countries.

Look, if repo men were coming to take my Ferrari, would it not look suspicious if I was was suddenly, medically unable to get out of the front seat? And would it not be even more suspicious if I was suddenly able to move again as soon as the repo men left?
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IIf this is supposed to serve as an explanation, it's a a failure.

If it's supposed to serve as an opinion piece, it fulfils its goal.
 
Chagos said:
IIf this is supposed to serve as an explanation, it's a a failure.

If it's supposed to serve as an opinion piece, it fulfills its goal.
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Which part did I get wrong? The part where it's young people who aren't old enough to remember the fighting? The fact that the places they are potentially going back to aren't in the grip of combat? Or the part where it only suspiciously happens in Sweden, the Ferrari of countries from the refugee perspective?
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
Which part did I get wrong? The part where it's young people who aren't old enough to remember the fighting? The fact that the places they are potentially going back to aren't in the grip of combat? Or the part where it only suspiciously happens in Sweden, the Ferrari of countries from the refugee perspective?
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I do not possess sufficient professionality (qualification) in the field to be able to say what you get wrong, you don't possess sufficient professionality (qualification) in the field to say what you got right.

On that note I think we can leave this whole thing.

Have a nice evening.
 
Chagos said:
I do not possess sufficient professionality (qualification) in the field to be able to say what you get wrong, you don't possess sufficient professionality (qualification) in the field to say what you got right.

On that note I think we can leave this whole thing.

Have a nice evening.
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So, since I don't have a medical degree, I can't think it seems suspicious that this only seems to happen in one country among one cultural population of refugees?

Boy, I sure hope you have a political science degree if you're posting here.
 
See posts 33 and 35.
 
It's always a nice evening, up here on the high ground.
 
Chagos said:
In Israel of the early 70s I'd come across survivors of the Nazi camps that still suffered attacks of "flashback". Having by that time grown into adults considerably older than the kids described here, they lived with trauma as much as it lived with them.

Those were, if one can even apply the description without flinching, the lucky ones in that the condition was not permanent, albeit "merely" still recurring with frequency.

The less fortunate remained in constant catatonia (not a separate disorder all on its own or out of itself) and had to be hospitalized just as permanently.

I also remember times when the term of PTSD hadn't been coined yet and those suffering from what was then inadequately termed "combat fatigue" were generally considered to be attention seeking candy-arses that lacked the stones "to get over it".

What the self proclaimed experts on mental disorders here appear ignorant of, is that the state of mind described here cannot be faked to the eye of the real professional.

That it appears to be (currently) confined to Sweden and to immigrants from the more "exotic" cultures of Russia or the former Soviet Union may indeed be considered as puzzling. Dismissing the whole thing with derision though is hardly the professional way of seeking to unravel any of it.
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All accurate. PTSD symptoms can affect people, severely, decades after the incident. One of the therapists in my group specializes in trauma. She sees people who were on location at 9/11... and some Vietnam War vets... all of whom STILL suffer from symptoms.
 
Sweden said:
Do NOT believe Migrationvärket stats. Particularly the 'children' number. Anyone who say he is a 15 or 16 year old is recorded as a 'child' even if he looks like 25 or 35. No medical or dental assessments are carried out.
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There isn't any doubt over the ages of the children that are the topic of this thread.
 
Sweden said:
Do NOT believe Migrationvärket stats. Particularly the 'children' number. Anyone who say he is a 15 or 16 year old is recorded as a 'child' even if he looks like 25 or 35. No medical or dental assessments are carried out.
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Link to proof please. It sounds like the kind of thing you would hear in a bar.
 
zyzygy said:
Link to proof please. It sounds like the kind of thing you would hear in a bar.
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Guess what? I have no intention of complying with your impertinent request.
 
Sweden said:
Guess what? I have no intention of complying with your impertinent request.
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So when somebody asks you to source a claim, you consider that to be impertinent?

Well, just make sure the crown doesn't become too weighty for you.
 
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