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UK PM Theresa May announces plan to call snap general election on 8 June.

Oh my god.

I was embarrassed to watch that videocast, it was almost as bad as watching Farage insulting the EU parliament when we need cool heads now.

May spoke well; I was not embarrassed - more like proud. Every time Juncker and his German boss open their mouths to threaten the UK the support for Conservatives increases. What shame that Merkel has yet to grasp this democracy thing.

On a point of detail: It was not the EU parliament that Farage insulted but the entire EU. And a good thing too.
 
Yes, that's the one. I don't know why the link won't work. Checking...

...sorted.

It's a good article. I worry that two things are going to undermine any hope Corbyn might have of doing well in this election: 1) his lack of any kind of political killer instinct. He believes in a less confrontational, less aggressive style of politics. I think that's fine under normal circumstances, but in an election campaign you need to take the gloves off. And 2) he's not actually that opposed to how she's conducting the Brexit process, which would be a terrible miscalculation if true.
Frankly I don't think anything is going to make much of a difference any more.

If we see the confrontation (referenced in the relating thread) between Le Pen and Macron, the numbers continuing to cheer for either side probably don't change much, no matter what pertinence of argument of one outweighs that of the other.

This is the post-factual (post-truth) age now and intelligent appraisal of positions presented seems long since replaced by gut-fart and knee-jerk behaviour that relieves those spectators too lazy to think from so doing.

Helped along by those who stand to gain.

None of this is about Britain and it's never been shown more clearly that as long as the majority of Briton's doesn't notice that, the opportunistic minority that DOES know need not care.
 
I think the opposition parties need to hit May hard with this line of attack: Theresa May - the Western Erdoğan, the European Trump. Her demagoguery is becoming very evident and her blatant populism is something I think UK voters ought to have flagged up loud and clear.

The Erdoğan of Downing Street

May's policies are not 'populist' but popular. Which is why she is heading for a landslide victory. And the principle opposition party, led by the Marxist-Leninist Corbyn facing destruction.
 
May spoke well; I was not embarrassed - more like proud. Every time Juncker and his German boss open their mouths to threaten the UK the support for Conservatives increases. What shame that Merkel has yet to grasp this democracy thing.

On a point of detail: It was not the EU parliament that Farage insulted but the entire EU. And a good thing too.
Well, thanks for confirming the point just made.

Call 'em and look who comes along.
 
Yeah, it was pretty amazing.

Maybe visits to the Queen ain't what they used to be (like in maybe a Corgi pissed on her designer shoes?):rofl

Absolutely idiotic her take that any "continental" is even remotely interested in her stupid election. Let alone would consider sabotaging it. What would be the the friggin' difference?

But yeah, the gallery she's playing to is of course not in Europe (usually cut off due to fog in the channel).

What I'm getting to be embarrassed about over here are my Brit roots. Or, put another way, fed up with the stress of constantly having to explain that not all Brits are insane.

Nothing amazing about Brits standing up to arrogant bullies, they've one it before. I remember the time when they stood up to the Nazis and the US Ambassador in London, Joe Kennedy, (the man who later bought the presidency for his son), reported that the Brits were insane.

The line about he corgi pissing on May's shoes suggests to me that you would be unwise to embark on a career as a humourist. And the one about a 'stupid election' indicates that have as much respect for democracy as Druncker Juncker.
 
Well, thanks for confirming the point just made.

Call 'em and look who comes along.

Always happy to contribute and inject a little sound judgement into a thread.
 
~................The line about he corgi pissing on May's shoes suggests to me that you would be unwise to embark on a career as a humourist. And the one about a 'stupid election' indicates that have as much respect for democracy as Druncker Juncker.
Much as I hate to possibly disappoint you, but your opinion on either matter and a load of others is really of little concern to me.:mrgreen:
 
Always happy to contribute and inject a little sound judgement into a thread.
Glad to hear that, question remaining on when you're going to start.:2razz:
 
Glad to hear that, question remaining on when you're going to start.:2razz:

The British will return to what they were: the inhabitants of an independent self governing democracy, making their own laws in their own parliament. That you think this intention is "insane" tells us all I need to know about you. For my part I regret ever imagining that your posts were worth reading and that conversing with you might be in the least interesting.
 
The British will return to what they were: the inhabitants of an independent self governing democracy, making their own laws in their own parliament. That you think this intention is "insane" tells us all I need to know about you. For my part I regret ever imagining that your posts were worth reading and that conversing with you might be in the least interesting.
Yeah, well.

There's a solution to that, as I'm sure you're aware.
 
May spoke well; I was not embarrassed - more like proud. Every time Juncker and his German boss open their mouths to threaten the UK the support for Conservatives increases.

Err what threats? Please tell us what threats there have been from the EU. May is in fact the one dishing out threats.

What shame that Merkel has yet to grasp this democracy thing.

Yes, May, a politician who is un-elected to the post of Prime Minister, running a government that only got 30% of the over all vote at the last election, and yet has an absolute majority... vs the Merkel who is elected as leader of the country with a majority of the votes... yea Merkel is the one with the democracy problem... :roll:
 
The British will return to what they were: the inhabitants of an independent self governing democracy, making their own laws in their own parliament. That you think this intention is "insane" tells us all I need to know about you. For my part I regret ever imagining that your posts were worth reading and that conversing with you might be in the least interesting.

Not a democracy, and the way they were, was a bully all dominating empire which will never happen again. And they will not be self governing, unless they want to be North Korea 2.0. The UK will be a small country in vast world with little influence and will have to bow to all the power states and economic powers around the world to get anything done...
 
The British will return to what they were: the inhabitants of an independent self governing democracy, making their own laws in their own parliament. That you think this intention is "insane" tells us all I need to know about you. For my part I regret ever imagining that your posts were worth reading and that conversing with you might be in the least interesting.

the UK will be splitting up ... the UK is finished as it stands ... no growth in support for Tories in Scotland ... the SNP are still the number 1 party by a country mile ... the truth is May's and the brexiters arrogance towards EU is coming back to bite their own @rses
 
May spoke well; I was not embarrassed - more like proud. Every time Juncker and his German boss open their mouths to threaten the UK the support for Conservatives increases.

And you're not worried or aware that support is simply growing because of May flagellating a strawman? If we had a competent opposition the discussion in the election would be on May's record, the lack of growth and the serious threats to the NHS.

What shame that Merkel has yet to grasp this democracy thing

You're more than welcome to point out Theresa May's actual share of the popular vote vs Merkels'. And the ironic thing is Merkel is also a Conservative.

On a point of detail: It was not the EU parliament that Farage insulted but the entire EU. And a good thing too.

There are ways to do it, at the start of crucial negotiations which may cost us billions is not the right time.
 
Early local elections show the hard right losing huge amounts of the few seats they had, Labour also lose ground even in Wales.

Interestingly, even in Lincolnshire which was the biggest Brexit area that UKIP are very down. Paul Nuttall had declared a harder, more BNP type line for UKIP recently and this hasn't worked for his party. May also predict the same in the General Election where he has chosen Lincolnshire & Skegness to stand for election.
 
Early local elections show the hard right losing huge amounts of the few seats they had, Labour also lose ground even in Wales.

Interestingly, even in Lincolnshire which was the biggest Brexit area that UKIP are very down. Paul Nuttall had declared a harder, more BNP type line for UKIP recently and this hasn't worked for his party. May also predict the same in the General Election where he has chosen Lincolnshire & Skegness to stand for election.

What I have been hearing is that May's Conservatives have been doing well in Wales. She seems to have used the £ 100 billions demand well. Labor and UKIP seem to be losing to her. But the count is still early and the most interesting results will be in Scotland.
 
the UK will be splitting up ... the UK is finished as it stands ... no growth in support for Tories in Scotland ... the SNP are still the number 1 party by a country mile ... the truth is May's and the brexiters arrogance towards EU is coming back to bite their own @rses

Arrogance vs the EU? Good joke!
 
Not a democracy, and the way they were, was a bully all dominating empire which will never happen again. And they will not be self governing, unless they want to be North Korea 2.0. The UK will be a small country in vast world with little influence and will have to bow to all the power states and economic powers around the world to get anything done...

My goodness! You semm to have swallowed the Brussels propaganda line, hook and sinker. That is very sad. But you demonstrate a problem the EU is having quite well.
 
My goodness! You semm to have swallowed the Brussels propaganda line, hook and sinker. That is very sad. But you demonstrate a problem the EU is having quite well.

What? Have you EVER read a history book about the British Empire and how they acted around the world? This has absolutely nothing to do with the EU, but historical fact.
 
Early local elections show the hard right losing huge amounts of the few seats they had, Labour also lose ground even in Wales.

Interestingly, even in Lincolnshire which was the biggest Brexit area that UKIP are very down. Paul Nuttall had declared a harder, more BNP type line for UKIP recently and this hasn't worked for his party. May also predict the same in the General Election where he has chosen Lincolnshire & Skegness to stand for election.

Well it is local elections and what was the turnout? Plus things can change in a month, depending on **** ups and so on. Only positive is that UKIP got wiped out.
 
What? Have you EVER read a history book about the British Empire and how they acted around the world? This has absolutely nothing to do with the EU, but historical fact.

As I was saying....
 
What? Have you EVER read a history book about the British Empire and how they acted around the world? This has absolutely nothing to do with the EU, but historical fact.

Actually, if YOU did in fact read a history book, you would learn the British did a lot more than the negative stuff, you keep harking on about. But don't let me colour your simplistic and narrow minded view.
 
Actually, if YOU did in fact read a history book, you would learn the British did a lot more than the negative stuff, you keep harking on about. But don't let me colour your simplistic and narrow minded view.

Hey hey now, calm down.

I never talked about the good stuff because that was not what this was about, but since you brought it up.. yes sure there was some good stuff, but they are hard to spot these days, now that history is becoming factual and not written by the British themselves. Remember, most Brits dont even know that they basically invented the concentration camp. Or that they committed mass murder in India, or forced resettled people... we sure know that Stalin did these things, but the British? naw... that is swept under the rug mostly. Hell even today, point out the flaws of Churchill to a 60+ year old Brit, and you basically get punched. Yes he was a rabid racist anti-Semite for most of his life and wanted to convert to Islam at a point.. But all we know is that he saved the UK and the World from the Nazies.. good, but does that excuse his negative aspects? No. And yes I admire Churchill for what he did during the war.. but not before or after. Yes the British Empire brought an education system to India and according to themselves "civilisation" (yes that is arrogant since Indian civilisation pre-dates the British by 1000s of years). It brought us capitalism and trade (well stole it from the Dutch but shh), and all that, but there is also a lot of crap it brought us.. like with all empires. Dont take it personal, take it as learning experience. My own people were Vikings, who according to folklore wore horns on their helmets (not true) and were barbarians who raped and pillaged (also not entirely true). But what you rarely hear is that they were nation builders, master ship builders and traders plus discovered the American continent.

However we are talking about arrogance here, and the British Empire (like most colonial powers) were arrogant racist pricks at the best of times. There is no denying that, and sure they did bring good but it was out of selfishness and arrogance, not because they cared about the people they subjected. And this arrogance is still around today, mostly in the Tory party and their supporters and it is a problem.

Tusk said it this week (and the Spanish said it a month ago).. the Brits need to calm down, else these negotiations wont be fruitful for anyone. It is the Brits that are emotionally challenged at the moment, and THAT is based on Tory imperialistic nationalistic arrogance which May and CO are trying to exploit in an election campaign, by blaming her failings in the negotiations on the EU, when the EU has been pretty clear and transparent from the start..

Think of it this way.. the EU has laid down a very detailed plan on their part of the negotiation, and the Brits have not. It is still a secret... talk about a lack of transparency eh? The EU has been clear for over a year and it is now on paper, on what it wants. I still dont know what the UK wants on EU citizens and their rights, the rights of UK citizens in Europe, and all that.
 
Hey hey now, calm down.

I never talked about the good stuff because that was not what this was about, but since you brought it up.. yes sure there was some good stuff, but they are hard to spot these days, now that history is becoming factual and not written by the British themselves. Remember, most Brits dont even know that they basically invented the concentration camp. Or that they committed mass murder in India, or forced resettled people... we sure know that Stalin did these things, but the British? naw... that is swept under the rug mostly. Hell even today, point out the flaws of Churchill to a 60+ year old Brit, and you basically get punched. Yes he was a rabid racist anti-Semite for most of his life and wanted to convert to Islam at a point.. But all we know is that he saved the UK and the World from the Nazies.. good, but does that excuse his negative aspects? No. And yes I admire Churchill for what he did during the war.. but not before or after. Yes the British Empire brought an education system to India and according to themselves "civilisation" (yes that is arrogant since Indian civilisation pre-dates the British by 1000s of years). It brought us capitalism and trade (well stole it from the Dutch but shh), and all that, but there is also a lot of crap it brought us.. like with all empires. Dont take it personal, take it as learning experience. My own people were Vikings, who according to folklore wore horns on their helmets (not true) and were barbarians who raped and pillaged (also not entirely true). But what you rarely hear is that they were nation builders, master ship builders and traders plus discovered the American continent.

However we are talking about arrogance here, and the British Empire (like most colonial powers) were arrogant racist pricks at the best of times. There is no denying that, and sure they did bring good but it was out of selfishness and arrogance, not because they cared about the people they subjected. And this arrogance is still around today, mostly in the Tory party and their supporters and it is a problem.

Tusk said it this week (and the Spanish said it a month ago).. the Brits need to calm down, else these negotiations wont be fruitful for anyone. It is the Brits that are emotionally challenged at the moment, and THAT is based on Tory imperialistic nationalistic arrogance which May and CO are trying to exploit in an election campaign, by blaming her failings in the negotiations on the EU, when the EU has been pretty clear and transparent from the start..

Think of it this way.. the EU has laid down a very detailed plan on their part of the negotiation, and the Brits have not. It is still a secret... talk about a lack of transparency eh? The EU has been clear for over a year and it is now on paper, on what it wants. I still dont know what the UK wants on EU citizens and their rights, the rights of UK citizens in Europe, and all that.
I just gotta pick here :2razz:

The Brit concentration camps were just that, camps of concentration (of people). NOT designed to annihilate the inmates even where (in cases) bad logistics led to a certain level of starvation. The Yanks realized the distinction later on and called theirs "internment camps" accordingly.

The Vikings DID rape and slaughter. Problem being "who were THE Vikings?" To put some more spice into here I'll raise the supposition that the Danish contingent was the worst of them. :lol::lol::

Norwegians obviously having founded Russia.:lamo

Mass murdering the population of India would have been vastly detrimental to the rule of the Raj, so let's not call the atrocious cases of mismanaged rule that led to mass starvation anything other than what it was.

Sepoy mutiny notwithstanding.

Churchill wasn't a rabid and racist anti-semite, he just shared into the low level and casual distrust of (and thus dislike for) Jews that was predominant in his class and in his time. OTH he clearly supported the forming of Jewish homeland in Palestine.

Beyond which nobody and nothing was safe from his scathing attacks when he got to being scathing.

Sorry, just couldn't resist.;)
 
Actually, if YOU did in fact read a history book, you would learn the British did a lot more than the negative stuff, you keep harking on about. But don't let me colour your simplistic and narrow minded view.
Bah, a nation (people) capable of eating fried kippers for breakfast has no need to prove its valour in any other way. ;)
 
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